Autopsy Good bad ugly vs Collingwood - Rd 12, 2021

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ABAB

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"Jones is expected to be picked up late in the first round in November’s draft."
Have you seen the date of the articles (hence why Jones was consider a draft bolter) and who is Corey Martin?
 

CrowBloke

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I get all that and clearly he’s been liked by all the coaches that can be disputed, so he must be doing something that most of us can’t see?
Can anyone explain it?
It’s not reflected in stats, nor in brownlow votes or best and fairest results.
I can't see it, either.
Maybe it's:
--- nice bloke, quietly spoken
--- trains hard, fit, does what he's told
--- meets all Coaches' off-field requirements
--- helps with the younger blokes
--- knows the Coaches' playbooks thoroughly
and that's been enough for them?
 

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RoweyThePainter

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butters and duursma are better and were picked after him.
They may not have looked so good if slotted into a struggling / wooden spoon team. Jones may have had a different experience slotting into a team challenging for top 4.

I don't rate Duursma, fringe player at best. Only gets mentioned a lot as the 3rd or 3 amigo recruits.
 

kirky

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They may not have looked so good if slotted into a struggling / wooden spoon team. Jones may have had a different experience slotting into a team challenging for top 4.

I don't rate Duursma, fringe player at best. Only gets mentioned a lot as the 3rd or 3 amigo recruits.
Where is that gif when you need it?
 
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I don't want to sound like a crazy optimist, but watching the game again today there were a lot more positives than negatives.

We absolutely outplayed them for the vast majority of the game. Some extraordinary things happened - some pretty stunning skill errors and other mistakes - but overall I left it feeling okay with where we're going.

I don't mind losing games we clearly should have won to Hawthorn and Collingwood - they might regret those empty wins when draft position is being handed out.

Meanwhile, I like the fact that we play with a level of intensity that isn't typical of rebuilding sides. We're learning a lot currently, and I think it continues to put us in a good spot for 2022 and onwards.
Watching some of our kicking errors again today we seemed to be consciously trying to kick the ball lower rather than bombing it in.

Led to some turnovers in indefensible positions (and lost us the match) but the strategy is the right one.

Now just need the right players to execute it.
 

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Mackay has always been the average, but versatile cover.
This could be it.
Drugs Are Bad Mackay? made the point that we value Mackay over players like Keath and Greenwood, and I'd take either of them over Mackay all day, every day.
Greenwood wanted a longer contract --- seeya.
Mackay accepts a single year without complaint --- you're our man.

Yeah, I still don't get it. Might never.
 

Kane McGoodwin

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Watching some of our kicking errors again today we seemed to be consciously trying to kick the ball lower rather than bombing it in.

Led to some turnovers in indefensible positions (and lost us the match) but the strategy is the right one.

Now just need the right players to execute it.
Wonder whether we were kicking it lower due to the breezy conditions.

Unfortunately our kicking skills in general were poor.

Without seeing the stats, I'm confident most of our goals conceded were from a turnover kick.
 

Vhaluus

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Watching some of our kicking errors again today we seemed to be consciously trying to kick the ball lower rather than bombing it in.

Led to some turnovers in indefensible positions (and lost us the match) but the strategy is the right one.

Now just need the right players to execute it.
I'll gladly accept the step back now to take two steps forward later on.
 

RoweyThePainter

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Wonder whether we were kicking it lower due to the breezy conditions.

Unfortunately our kicking skills in general were poor.

Without seeing the stats, I'm confident most of our goals conceded were from a turnover kick.
Definitely. I don't recall Coll generating many from defence or a stoppage.
 

Shaz2012

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Watching some of our kicking errors again today we seemed to be consciously trying to kick the ball lower rather than bombing it in.

Led to some turnovers in indefensible positions (and lost us the match) but the strategy is the right one.

Now just need the right players to execute it.
Exactly. The game plan is a work in progress. We would have learnt a lot this week and I think we tweaked it during the game.

Game plan looks promising. Especially given the quality of our list (which tends to get massively overrated after a win).
 

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