Review Good/Bad vs Brisbane, R22 2023

[Kane McGoodwin]

Still think Milera and Smith get a free ride

What's your issue with Milera?

He's been good after the 1st month.

 

[CrowBloke]

Fans are legit bragging about our 1 from five in non showdown match ups against Collingwood, Brisbane, Melbourne because we got to honourable loss status.

There is a group that are very upbeat about those close losses and while I'm not one of them I can see why they are --- general optimism and hope and a kind of pride that those teams are not beating us as badly as they used to, nor like teams around us on the ladder. Not just that, the close losses are signs of player/team improvement. I'd much rather watch the 2023 Crows than the dispirited rabble of 2020/21.
Personally, I hate those close losses , especially when they're on the back of sloppy goalkicking and other opportunities not taken/executed,
BUT ...

Loser energy just wafts around this club like a stench.

the above is relentlessly, belligerently over-the-top pessimism.
What you can smell is your unnecessary scorn for other Crows supporters' who don't bag the players as often and as harshly as you. That sounds like an attack on you, but it's not; for all I know, you might be a top bloke who just looks at Footy/the Crows very darkly. It's about the tone of some of, though not all of, your posts.
Instead of mocking and whingeing about their optimism and hope, I think there's merit in thinking that their hearts and energy are in the right place, if not a tad overly so, but --- meh --- each to one's own.
They are not celebrating the close loss; they are celebrating the improvement!

We beat Melbourne in 2021. This isn't even sn improvement.

Until the 2017 PF, we hadn't beaten the Cats over a period of many years, but we thumped them.
It'll come around, again, and not just beating Melbourne.
When we do, will you celebrate with the rest of us, or find something else about the win/s not to your liking?

Constantly losing games because senior players won't take responsibility to execute the skill of goal kicking is more fun to some than others I suppose.

This made me wonder if you've played competitive team sport eg Cricket, AFL, basketball, soccer, squash.
Did you ever make a mistake, ever? Ever miss a shot for goal, drop a catch, mis-kick, make a bad pass, etc?
If you did, did you mean to stuff up?
I played all of those and made plenty of errors, sometimes at crucial times. Everybody does.
Our senior players make mistakes, but they do not mean to. Not ever. Mistakes are made; s**t happens.
Boiling it down to "senior players won't take responsibility to execute the skill of goal kicking" is unfair blaming and an oversimplification. There are thousands of variables that cause a loss, even a close one. Tex is one of our best senior players, without whose 65 goals we'd be bottom-4, probably, and he misses shots for goal, too. Our Senior players are not hopeless; our juniors are not perfect.
Our Junior players make mistakes too and have missed a number of gettable shots for goal.

We've lost winnable games on the back of some poor goalkicking and I hate that. I really do.
But railing angrily against fellow Crows fans who are more forgiving/hopeful/optimistic than you?
I wouldn't mind being as kind and tolerant as them, tbh.

 

[George Kramer]

That said ....we still need a plan B player for these Cameron type players

Sloane wasn’t it?

 

[kick it to me_]

Wouldn't mind next year trying Nank in the centre bounce rotation and build his tank up over off season.

He looked very clean and composed when allowed to have a brief CBA or two.

Can someone please make a gift of his clearance that lead to a goal.

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[Bearded Clam]

Can someone please make a gift of his clearance that lead to a goal.

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[jackster83]

What's your issue with Milera?

He's been good after the 1st month.

I thought he was down last week, but has been otherwise good for the last couple of months. Happy to be proven wrong regarding him.

 

[Burtonsgottago]

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Funny gif ho ho ha ha

 

[Burtonsgottago]

What's your issue with Milera?

He's been good after the 1st month.

Don’t have an issue, more of an issue with Smith. Plays an unaccountable game while more responsibility seems to fall on juniors.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Don’t have an issue, more of an issue with Smith. Plays an unaccountable game while more responsibility seems to fall on juniors.

Just asking as you grouped the 2.

Imo, both Milera & Hinge have stood up across HB & it's been good to move Smith to a wing.

 

[Southerntakeover]

There is a group that are very upbeat about those close losses and while I'm not one of them I can see why they are --- general optimism and hope and a kind of pride that those teams are not beating us as badly as they used to, nor like teams around us on the ladder. Not just that, the close losses are signs of player/team improvement. I'd much rather watch the 2023 Crows than the dispirited rabble of 2020/21.
Personally, I hate those close losses , especially when they're on the back of sloppy goalkicking and other opportunities not taken/executed,
BUT ...

the above is relentlessly, belligerently over-the-top pessimism.
What you can smell is your unnecessary scorn for other Crows supporters' who don't bag the players as often and as harshly as you. That sounds like an attack on you, but it's not; for all I know, you might be a top bloke who just looks at Footy/the Crows very darkly. It's about the tone of some of, though not all of, your posts.
Instead of mocking and whingeing about their optimism and hope, I think there's merit in thinking that their hearts and energy are in the right place, if not a tad overly so, but --- meh --- each to one's own.
They are not celebrating the close loss; they are celebrating the improvement!

Until the 2017 PF, we hadn't beaten the Cats over a period of many years, but we thumped them.
It'll come around, again, and not just beating Melbourne.
When we do, will you celebrate with the rest of us, or find something else about the win/s not to your liking?

This made me wonder if you've played competitive team sport eg Cricket, AFL, basketball, soccer, squash.
Did you ever make a mistake, ever? Ever miss a shot for goal, drop a catch, mis-kick, make a bad pass, etc?
If you did, did you mean to stuff up?
I played all of those and made plenty of errors, sometimes at crucial times. Everybody does.
Our senior players make mistakes, but they do not mean to. Not ever. Mistakes are made; s**t happens.
Boiling it down to "senior players won't take responsibility to execute the skill of goal kicking" is unfair blaming and an oversimplification. There are thousands of variables that cause a loss, even a close one. Tex is one of our best senior players, without whose 65 goals we'd be bottom-4, probably, and he misses shots for goal, too. Our Senior players are not hopeless; our juniors are not perfect.
Our Junior players make mistakes too and have missed a number of gettable shots for goal.

We've lost winnable games on the back of some poor goalkicking and I hate that. I really do.
But railing angrily against fellow Crows fans who are more forgiving/hopeful/optimistic than you?
I wouldn't mind being as kind and tolerant as them, tbh.

How do you manage to produce such lengthy posts, responding to each sentence with a paragraph and yet say nothing worth engaging with?

 

[Burtonsgottago]

Just asking as you grouped the 2.

Imo, both Milera & Hinge have stood up across HB & it's been good to move Smith to a wing.

I grouped the 2 to highlight that the junior players seem to made more accountable under Nicks than the seniors.

 

[CrowBloke]

How do you manage to produce such lengthy posts, responding to each sentence with a paragraph and yet say nothing worth engaging with?

I believe solidly that your inability to engage with anything I said, or asked you, is not my problem.

"Did you ever play sport?"
"Did you ever make a mistake, not just in sport but life generally?"
"Did you mean to make those mistakes?"
were all designed to engage
AND
asked you to think about your attacks on players who make those mistakes and supporters who accept them.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I believe solidly that your inability to engage with anything I said, or asked you, is not my problem.

"Did you ever play sport?"
"Did you ever make a mistake, not just in sport but life generally?"
"Did you mean to make those mistakes?"
were all designed to engage
AND
asked you to think about your attacks on players who make those mistakes and supporters who accept them.

Of course it's your problem. Condense your rambling into a concise form if you want people to be bothered engaging with it.

If those are the cliff notes, then they simply aren't worth engaging with. I mean, come on, your major line of argument is that professional sports players can only be criticised for mistakes which are deliberate?

And you thought this was worth writing war and peace to dig into?

 

[119others]

There is a group that are very upbeat about those close losses and while I'm not one of them I can see why they are --- general optimism and hope and a kind of pride that those teams are not beating us as badly as they used to, nor like teams around us on the ladder. Not just that, the close losses are signs of player/team improvement. I'd much rather watch the 2023 Crows than the dispirited rabble of 2020/21.
Personally, I hate those close losses , especially when they're on the back of sloppy goalkicking and other opportunities not taken/executed,
BUT ...

the above is relentlessly, belligerently over-the-top pessimism.
What you can smell is your unnecessary scorn for other Crows supporters' who don't bag the players as often and as harshly as you. That sounds like an attack on you, but it's not; for all I know, you might be a top bloke who just looks at Footy/the Crows very darkly. It's about the tone of some of, though not all of, your posts.
Instead of mocking and whingeing about their optimism and hope, I think there's merit in thinking that their hearts and energy are in the right place, if not a tad overly so, but --- meh --- each to one's own.
They are not celebrating the close loss; they are celebrating the improvement!

Until the 2017 PF, we hadn't beaten the Cats over a period of many years, but we thumped them.
It'll come around, again, and not just beating Melbourne.
When we do, will you celebrate with the rest of us, or find something else about the win/s not to your liking?

This made me wonder if you've played competitive team sport eg Cricket, AFL, basketball, soccer, squash.
Did you ever make a mistake, ever? Ever miss a shot for goal, drop a catch, mis-kick, make a bad pass, etc?
If you did, did you mean to stuff up?
I played all of those and made plenty of errors, sometimes at crucial times. Everybody does.
Our senior players make mistakes, but they do not mean to. Not ever. Mistakes are made; s**t happens.
Boiling it down to "senior players won't take responsibility to execute the skill of goal kicking" is unfair blaming and an oversimplification. There are thousands of variables that cause a loss, even a close one. Tex is one of our best senior players, without whose 65 goals we'd be bottom-4, probably, and he misses shots for goal, too. Our Senior players are not hopeless; our juniors are not perfect.
Our Junior players make mistakes too and have missed a number of gettable shots for goal.

We've lost winnable games on the back of some poor goalkicking and I hate that. I really do.
But railing angrily against fellow Crows fans who are more forgiving/hopeful/optimistic than you?
I wouldn't mind being as kind and tolerant as them, tbh.

Mate that’s quite beautifully expressed and insightful. Well said.

There are many decent, positive and balanced people on this forum who I genuinely like and have started to get to know in “real life”. There are others who are….quite the opposite and I would have no interest in ever meeting.


I commend you for the above post after reading for a second time but it’s a post that some will hate

 

[CrowBloke]

Thanks for that:

I commend you for the above post after reading for a second time but it’s a post that some will hate ...

... or just laugh at.

 

[Sanders]

As Blighty said “first you have to play in close games, then you start winning them”. We turned Adelaide oval back into a bit of a fortress this year… tick. Next year it’ll be winning close away games!

Did he?

Maybe my memory is failing me but I don’t recall that

 

[Southerntakeover]

Did he?

Maybe my memory is failing me but I don’t recall that

He was a notoriously mild mannered loser who thought near enough was good enough old Blighty.

 

[119others]

Thanks for that:

... or just laugh at.

I think you are on the right track mate with positive vs negative / critical people. One group lives longer, is happier, healthier and wealthier

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[Sanders]

So which of the next 2 eminently winnable games, that we will start clear favourites in, will we lose to kiss finals?

This whole season has been stained by inexplicable losses that have undone our progress.

It’s almost giving off a 2015 smell.

 

[Sanders]

Fancy the lunacy of trying to persistently play Milera at HF .....it took away all his weapons

FFS

He was drafted playing mid/HF

 

[WaynesWorld19]

FFS

He was drafted playing mid/HF

I know he was .....but Milera's never made a successful fist of it at AFL level ......or do you believe that's his best position

 

[Sanders]

I know he was .....but

But indeed

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But indeed

Are you an editor ?

 

[Southerntakeover]

So which of the next 2 eminently winnable games, that we will start clear favourites in, will we lose to kiss finals?

This whole season has been stained by inexplicable losses that have undone our progress.

It’s almost giving off a 2015 smell.

I think probably Saturday night, but it would be the most Crows thing of all time to blow it against WCE.

 

[Gtowncrow]

I’d like to see Pedlar in there with them next year, dynamic burst mid. Three left footers shouldn’t be an issue…

Agree. A skillful right foot would be better than another lefty.