I don't think Schoenberg has been handled badly. I think he's realising like all young players that he's in a performace business. Perform and you stay in. He also seems to have something going on outside of footy. I think all young payers need to learn to not get ahead of themself and If he's got the talent he will work through it. If you want to make it at footy it needs your full focus. Any distractions need to be resolved so it doesn't affect your game.
Review Good/Bad vs Brisbane, R9 2022
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Demographically, we're very similar to where we were in 2021. Consider the following stats for our R9 2021 team, vs our R9 2022 teams:
Our 2022 team was even younger & less experienced than our 2021 equivalent - so it's hardly surprising that we're not seeing massive improvement.
Right now, we're still trying to get our kids to 50 games. We're also rotating through them, trying to determine which of the kids will make it long-term, and which won't. Last year we delisted O'Connor, as the first of our kids who we ruled a line through - he won't be the last.
As I said before... progress will be non-linear. We may well end up winning fewer games this year than we did last year - and that's not necessarily a bad thing. We may have to go backwards, in order to move forwards. This is not unexpected, and it's not a bad thing.
2021 | 2022 | |
| Avg Age | 24yr 4mth | 24yr 2mth |
| Avg Games | 68.8 | 63.1 |
| < 50 Games | 14 | 15 |
| 50-599 | 2 | 3 |
| 100-149 | 1 | 0 |
| 150+ | 5 | 4 |
Our 2022 team was even younger & less experienced than our 2021 equivalent - so it's hardly surprising that we're not seeing massive improvement.
Right now, we're still trying to get our kids to 50 games. We're also rotating through them, trying to determine which of the kids will make it long-term, and which won't. Last year we delisted O'Connor, as the first of our kids who we ruled a line through - he won't be the last.
As I said before... progress will be non-linear. We may well end up winning fewer games this year than we did last year - and that's not necessarily a bad thing. We may have to go backwards, in order to move forwards. This is not unexpected, and it's not a bad thing.
- May 14, 2017
- 11,374
- 12,732
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- West Adelaide
eg Malcolm Blight.
I reckon he knew what to say, when, and to whom.
Take the Pittman-pathetic spray. No way would he have laid that on, say, McLeod after he had an off-game (which was rare anyway
).Who else would have put Shane Ellen forward in the 1997 GF?
Incredible move. And why?Freak player; innovative, brilliant Coach.
- May 14, 2017
- 11,374
- 12,732
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- West Adelaide
This.
Crows need to trade in an experienced KPD and maybe an old-head mid who can help with the rebuild (where would we be without Keays and Dawson?).
Just no more scrawny, under 183cms mids, please.
- Aug 9, 2019
- 34,499
- 59,772
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- Panthers, GWV Rebels, Central Augusta
Yeah dread the thought of picking up a Shai Bolton.
- Oct 3, 2012
- 1,463
- 3,692
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
Sure. He’s playing the role of lock down defender. And he does ok I suppose. But he doesn’t get much of the ball, and when he does he uses it poorly. Generally backline players have a much higher disposal efficiency than others on the ground. Jones is the worst of all of our regular backmen. He turns the ball over regularly. On the weekend he gave up the ball 5 times from 11 disposals. This isn’t unusual from him. Conversely those touches very rarely lead to anything decent. His score involvements are on par with Brown - who is having a very poor season - and slightly better than Butts.
Again, on the weekend, he played on Brisbane’s third best small forward. McCarthy had 9 touches, 3 marks, 5 tackles, 5 score involvements and kicked a goal. It’s not immediately obvious to me that Jones won that battle.
And let’s not forget that he is now 22, was a top ten draftee who was to become an A-Grade midfielder. I don’t think it’s unfair to say that he has been more than a little disappointing and is unlikely to become the player we wanted him to be. I hope I am wrong. I really do. But I don’t get peoples optimism about him.
- Aug 30, 2021
- 14,859
- 27,066
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
C'mon, you know where he's coming from, its adding another small to our list of smalls, all who bar Rachelle aren't a patch on Bolton. If only Hamish picked him ahead of Gallucci
Coaches Votes
7 Dayne Zorko (BL)
7 Charlie Cameron (BL)
2 Jordan Dawson (ADEL)
2 Oscar McInerney (BL)
1 Zac Bailey (BL)
1 Rory Laird (ADEL)
Nothing for Hately ?
Adelaide v Brisbane
10 Lachie Neale (BL)7 Dayne Zorko (BL)
7 Charlie Cameron (BL)
2 Jordan Dawson (ADEL)
2 Oscar McInerney (BL)
1 Zac Bailey (BL)
1 Rory Laird (ADEL)
Nothing for Hately ?
- Jun 15, 2005
- 69,233
- 60,483
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- AUFC, Everton, Sturt
Probably not when you lose by 6 goals.
Drugs Are Bad Mackay?
Moderator
- May 24, 2006
- 77,195
- 151,276
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- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- Redbacks, Sturt, Liverpool, Arizona
- Moderator
- #585
Hately was pretty good but he wasn't coaches votes good. Hopefully can back it up and build from there
- Dec 29, 2000
- 23,611
- 20,860
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
The crowd was 36,579.
Nah!
Nah!
Rags_118
Team Captain
eg Malcolm Blight.
I reckon he knew what to say, when, and to whom.
Take the Pittman-pathetic spray. No way would he have laid that on, say, McLeod after he had an off-game (which was rare anyway
Who else would have put Shane Ellen forward in the 1997 GF?
Freak player; innovative, brilliant Coach.
Except for when he pushed Modra out of the club!
- May 14, 2017
- 11,374
- 12,732
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- West Adelaide
Loved Blight.
Loved Modra, too --- Master of the Screamer --- whose achievements have been well-documented and justifiably highly-praised. Great Full forward; a magician. What a leap and what a pair of hands!! Lovely kick too, kicked 588.308, 65.6%.
He made a huge contribution to the Crows '97 Flag; that knee injury was cruel. I've always felt really sad that Modra didn't play in either Grand Final.
I know very little about the Blight/Modra fall-out, no more than this but there's gotta be more to it:
The Tony Modra exit: Why Blighty let go of an Adelaide favourite
Former Adelaide Crows coach Malcolm Blight has lifted the lid on the famous exit of Tony Modra.
If you have any insider, or more thorough info, please post it or PM me?
- Dec 29, 2000
- 23,611
- 20,860
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
We still have West Coast and Kangaroos twice so assume we go split with both of those and add in a couple of others we will end up with 7-9 wins for the year.
Kane McGoodwin
Make me an Admin!
- May 21, 2001
- 81,250
- 81,556
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
- Other Teams
- Adelaide Crows
Would be interesting to know ou 2022 v 2021 averages. If anything i expect out 2021 team would be more experienced with more Sloane & Mackay.
I mentioned pre-season i suspected that we would finish around the same position, given our squad is actually less experienced overall that last season.
You forgot Seedsman, who is one of only 7x 100+ game players on our 2022 list, and who appears unlikely to ever play again.
We also lost Kelly as well, if we're comparing 2021 vs 2022.
I took those stats from the Footywire website. I don't think they have season averages for these stats, and I can't be bothered going through 31 games to calculate them myself. Sorry! I suspect that you are probably correct, I just can't be bothered proving it.
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I normally only come in here to back up Ben but god it makes me laugh when people tar Laird with the same brush. He was fantastic on Saturday. What more does the reigning Best and Fairest have to do?
Tom Lynch is another who would have boosted our averages at times last year - he missed a block of games in the middle of the season, but was selected early & late. Another 100+ game player who was on our list in 2021, but not 2022.
dogs105
Sweet Kennels Proprietor
eg Malcolm Blight.
I reckon he knew what to say, when, and to whom.
Take the Pittman-pathetic spray. No way would he have laid that on, say, McLeod after he had an off-game (which was rare anyway
Who else would have put Shane Ellen forward in the 1997 GF?
Freak player; innovative, brilliant Coach.
What a s**t coaching move.
Ellen forward in GF - 2 goals in a half
Ellen back in GF - 3 goals in half.
If he hadn't started him at FF, he would have kicked 6...
interesting the last two frames...was Laird meant to be on Zorko? If so, that's poor from him. The first frame was not quite as bad, but we're badly exposed when Strachan loses the tap. It'd be interesting to compare what we did against the Dogs - I suspect we played a lot closer to their mids. Really we should've been doing the same for the past three weeks, all against sides with a classier bunch of mids.
Ramify
Cancelled
- Oct 15, 2012
- 5,384
- 7,471
- AFL Club
- Adelaide
eg Malcolm Blight.
I reckon he knew what to say, when, and to whom.
Take the Pittman-pathetic spray. No way would he have laid that on, say, McLeod after he had an off-game (which was rare anyway
Who else would have put Shane Ellen forward in the 1997 GF?
Freak player; innovative, brilliant Coach.
Yep, I think we lost our next special one in Walsh, God rest his soul.
At the end of the day, it's not your gameplan, your relationship with the players or even your personell.It's your abilty to read, assess which buttons to push and then extract the best from as many within your starting 18 as possible when it matters the most, and this takes a special kind of Genius that often manifests as somewhat loose, crazy or straight up a-hole, I.e, very un-AFC and very juxtaposed to any development role.
Not many straight shooters who lack Charisma win flags. Especially not the nice ones.
See- Neil Craig or Don Pyke. I think Nicks is cut from the same cloth and Vanberlo takes it to the next level.
On the other hand, it probably takes a different sort of Cat to nurture a fledgling list to the point of competitiveness - See Clarko Thompson, Horse, Blight, Lyon ect.
2 completely different mindsets required.
The only one I can think of in modern times that's done both is the great man Sheedy. Maybe to a degree Mathews or Malthouse, but nothing like the journey Nicks has ahead of him.
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