Review Good/Bad vs Richmond - Rd 13, 2019

Brenton Davy

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Way to go overboard. I was critical of his game last night. He was poor. But he is rarely that bad and is usually pretty consistent.
I disagree.

He either laces out our players down field OR the opposition. His turnovers are usually in terrible positions that lead directly to goals against. For an "Elite Leg" he turns it over a lot.
 

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Good win but not sure we can take too much out of it. We will see who stands up against Geelong.

Outside guys like Douglas, Milera and Atkins who are struggling. The form of Smith, Laird and Seedsman a worry as well. Good to win when we appear to have many not at their best.
Smith - 22 touche and a goal
Laird - 32 touches and 4 tackles
Seed - 26 touches and a goal
Atkins - 29 touches and a goal

Gee, you are a hard taskmaster saying their form was a worry...a nice return to form for Seed though and I agree Milera and Douglas didn't have their best games
 

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There was a few times that players didn't Sheppard him (atkins & greenwood) I would be shocked if his role isn't always go long and other players were told to give him space.
Our shepherding last night was deplorable. There lack of effort or intensity allowing an opponent past to go and tackle our player with the ball was evident so many times.
I've said before, but I think it shows a lack of team first attitude. Doing your bit when you don't have the ball.

As an old coach said to me, even if you have 30, you only have the ball for about 2mins a game, so it's about what you are doing for the other 118 mins that counts
 

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Our shepherding last night was deplorable. There lack of effort or intensity allowing an opponent past to go and tackle our player with the ball was evident so many times.
I've said before, but I think it shows a lack of team first attitude. Doing your bit when you don't have the ball.

As an old coach said to me, even if you have 30, you only have the ball for about 2mins a game, so it's about what you are doing for the other 118 mins that counts
I do some local footy coaching and kids these days just don't shepherd! I mean i'm only in my early 30s but when we were coming through we were taught to protect each other and create the space for our teammates especially the damaging ones
 

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Our shepherding last night was deplorable
Players don’t bother anymore because it’s too easy to catch a guy slightly high and get rubbed out for two weeks.

The shepherd is just a bump off the ball, players have pretty much stopped bumping so why wouldn’t they stop shepherding? The two go hand in hand.
 

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Our shepherding last night was deplorable. There lack of effort or intensity allowing an opponent past to go and tackle our player with the ball was evident so many times.
I've said before, but I think it shows a lack of team first attitude. Doing your bit when you don't have the ball.

As an old coach said to me, even if you have 30, you only have the ball for about 2mins a game, so it's about what you are doing for the other 118 mins that counts
True, but it's not just us. I'm constantly surprised that a good shepherd seems to be the exception and not the rule in the AFL.
 

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I disagree.

He either laces out our players down field OR the opposition. His turnovers are usually in terrible positions that lead directly to goals against. For an "Elite Leg" he turns it over a lot.
We'll agree to disagree.

I think he's normally pretty damn consistent with that leg. He plays a role that comes with dangerous kicks to try and open up play through the middle. When he gets its wrong it stands out.

Milera is the same. They can be lethal kicks and they've obviously been given a license to take the game on. It's pretty rare that both of them forget how to kick on the same night.
 

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Players don’t bother anymore because it’s too easy to catch a guy slightly high and get rubbed out for two weeks.

The shepherd is just a bump off the ball, players have pretty much stopped bumping so why wouldn’t they stop shepherding? The two go hand in hand.
Maybe, but you don't have to hit a guy to shepherd / get in his way.
 

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Players don’t bother anymore because it’s too easy to catch a guy slightly high and get rubbed out for two weeks.

The shepherd is just a bump off the ball, players have pretty much stopped bumping so why wouldn’t they stop shepherding? The two go hand in hand.
In a lot of scenarios a bump isn't even necessary. Just get in they way with your arms out. There must be a reason coaches tell players not to do it in certain situations. It's not as if it takes a lot of effort.
 

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Smith would arguably be the most protected player on this board. Could play 5 bad ones in a row and wouldn’t matter - flies a long way under the radar.
I’m one of those people. I might stop at four bad ones though...

He either laces out our players down field OR the opposition. His turnovers are usually in terrible positions that lead directly to goals against. For an "Elite Leg" he turns it over a lot.
There’s elite legs and there’s elite legs. He has unbelievable penetration in his kick, like a Dew, but he’s not necessarily great over short distances.

But he is so important in terms of what he offers to the team. Players with that sort of line-breaking prowess and Dew-like penetration on their kick don’t grow on trees.
 

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the only other player I can recall that was that good at getting the ball to do exactly what he wanted was Darren Jarman, but i'm not even sure if he was on Eddie's level
Nobody loves Ed more than me but his leg wasn’t as good as Jarman’s.

Ed has the finesse and the touch, Jarman had the finesse, touch AND penetration. He could kick off a step, Ed can’t.

Both freaks though.
 

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Just on the cheer squad banging on the fence thing: I think we might be jumping at shadows. I think they were told off not because they were barracking too loudly but because the AFL / SMA doesn't want people banging on the LED signage and potentially damaging it.

Which is a cause for debate, but it's not the same as spectators being told to "be quiet".
 

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Atkins is often our outside exit kick from congested situations and did it very well last night. Although he is hair pulling frustration at times...he is important to our setup and IMO that’s why he keeps getting picked.
And he's a leftie - very handy when exiting left from the kick in's ....also a reason why Kelly keeps getting picked I suspect.
 

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Agree totally, and remember --- Pyke has something to do with sending him forward :thumbsu:.
Call it Plan S(loane); he has the guts/ability to turn a game.
Pyke alluded to this in the presser....he was forced to keep his mids on the ground due to the injuries, and he moved them into the forward line. i think it actually helps us with Sloane and CEY up there in particular.
 

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Smith's game isnt getting quite enough heat. It was very very poor at times, with his low disposal efficiency and 8 clangers directly resulting in goals against. He'd want to lift his form pretty quickly, or he should be given a run in the twos.
Yep, that's fair. One of my favourites but's he hasn't had a good couple of weeks.
 

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Just on the cheer squad banging on the fence thing: I think we might be jumping at shadows. I think they were told off not because they were barracking too loudly but because the AFL / SMA doesn't want people banging on the LED signage and potentially damaging it.

Which is a cause for debate, but it's not the same as spectators being told to "be quiet".
That's a good point.
 

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I’m one of those people. I might stop at four bad ones though...



There’s elite legs and there’s elite legs. He has unbelievable penetration in his kick, like a Dew, but he’s not necessarily great over short distances.

But he is so important in terms of what he offers to the team. Players with that sort of line-breaking prowess and Dew-like penetration on their kick don’t grow on trees.
Well then, use the penetrative leg and leave the short passing in the cupboard. He has to play to his strength and by trying to short pass he's constantly placing the team under pressure. He always seems to get a gold pass from this board, no matter how many clangers he commits. Atkins can have half the clangers and he gets crucified.
 

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Last night he seemed to have zero awareness of Richmond players. I think I saw him get tackled or almost tackled around our 50m line in 3 of the 4 quarters. The one in the first quarter was the strangest one. Seemed to just run directly into 2 Richmond players, despite having space to try and go around them or kick it before he got to them.
Is that the one with Greenwood not bothering with a shepherd and expecting the handball receive?

Smithers gets the shepherd and has a shot from 50. Instead he gets tackled.

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Is that the one with Greenwood not bothering with a shepherd and expecting the handball receive?

Smithers gets the shepherd and has a shot from 50. Instead he gets tackled.

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Possibly. Even without a shepherd he had time to get a kick away or not run directly at the 2 tacklers.
 

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Nobody loves Ed more than me but his leg wasn’t as good as Jarman’s.

Ed has the finesse and the touch, Jarman had the finesse, touch AND penetration. He could kick off a step, Ed can’t.

Both freaks though.
fair call too. jarman could kick 75 in the right conditions
 

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Players don’t bother anymore because it’s too easy to catch a guy slightly high and get rubbed out for two weeks.

The shepherd is just a bump off the ball, players have pretty much stopped bumping so why wouldn’t they stop shepherding? The two go hand in hand.
I disagree. Shepherd with arms out low is not even close to a bump. It's all about impeding the opposition, even for a fraction of a second. It can turn what would have been a rushed kick forward under pressure into a measured disposal to a target. The good players, the team players, they all still do it. Rat and Mckay... two serial non-shepherders, s**t me to tears when they peel off looking for the easy handball rather than shepherding for their team-mate.
 

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Once again we dominate large portions of a game but leave it til the last 10 minutes to put it away. We are yet to really have a full 4 quarter performance, its a concern and a blessing at the same time.
 
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