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I've actually been wanting to watch this again for a while now.The Drew Carey show definitely fits here and it also fits in the other thread about shows that had mediocre first seasons before becoming big hits.
When The Drew Carey Show commenced in 1995 it was a strange little sitcom that didn't seem to know what it wanted to be, but with a few changes quickly found its niche and turned into an extremely funny and popular sitcom from the mid 1990s through to the very early 2000s. Then in Australia from about 2002 Channel 9 stopped screening The Drew Carey Show and I was disappointed. I soon found out why when I watched some episodes from the last three years of the show's run (2002, 2003 and 2004) as re-runs a few years later - it was just flat out awful. Really, really bad. For example one episode had Drew Carey starting a new job and with no explanation at all Mr. Wick and Mimi were waiting for him at his new place of employment. Christa Miller (Kate) departed and IIRC Craig Ferguson (Mr. Wick) also left before the end.
Today, if you want to watch The Drew Carey Show you would have a hard time doing so, unless you have a lot of VHS tapes of the show you recorded in the 1990s and early 2000s and a working VCR. Season 1 of Drew Carey had a limited DVD release circa 2008, but is long since out of print. No other seasons have been released due to music copyright issues and are unlikely to be at any stage. The show hasn't aged all that well, hasn't been shown in syndication for years, and has never been available on streaming services.
Yeah Homeland. Why the f**k did they tack extra seasons on to that after it was meant to end?
I’m always surprised when people say the last season of Game of Thrones was terrible, like it came out of nowhere. There was a steady decline from the end of season three.
It actually got better after they wrote off The Brody Whiny BunchYeah Homeland. Why the f**k did they tack extra seasons on to that after it was meant to end?
There's some obvious ones that have been mentioned already:
Some that haven't been mentioned though:
- Homeland (it had its moments in later series, but was nowhere near the level of Season 1)
- Westworld (I actually enjoyed Season 2 more than most people, but Season 3 was a dumpster fire)
- House Of Cards (the loss of Kevin Spacey was always going to be a massive hole to fill)
- Game Of Thrones (is there a show that has dropped further in terms of how much people talked about it?)
- Arrested Development (this was tied as my favourite show of all time, yet somehow they managed to make two disastrously unfunny seasons to follow up)
- UnReal - It started off as a brutal take-down of the reality behind reality TV and was really clever, with some amazingly terrible characters. But the second season (and later ones) was a pretty quick descent into scenarios that they had parodied in the first season.
- Master Of None - Presumably Aziz wanted to be in less of Season 3 due to being kind-of-cancelled, but it was just torturously boring. I understand wanting to create a cinematic atmosphere, but the amount and length of the pointless scenery shots were a huge step down from the first two seasons (that were both really fantastic in very different ways).
- The Affair - This was a fantastic concept to show the same story from different points of view and had a great mystery intertwined with the main story (ie the affair itself). But the concept became farcical the longer they tried to keep it going and the storylines ended up turning the show into a soap opera.
- The Outsider - This one has the distinction of managing to fall from grace within the timeframe of a single season. And incredible mystery that ramped up in intensity and craziness as it went along and then ... it just went really crap. Characters acted completely differently, plotlines didn't make sense, and a ludicrously underwhelming shoot out before the whole thing ended with a whimper.
- Making A Murderer - The first season was an amazing journey through the failures of the American criminal justice system with an entirely unlikeable protagonist, but generated so much discussion about his guilt/innocence. Then the second season just felt like a money grab from everyone involved, stretching out the same story with not much more insight.
I can’t remember but is that the Hold the Door season?Season 4 was still great. Mountain and the Viper is one of the greatest episodes of television ever.
I feel like there was a clear decline from season 3 on...4 is still pretty good because it's still the closest to its peak, but the cracks start to show at that point. Tyrion starts to become far less interesting. By the time he hooks up with Daenerys, he's a shadow of himself.Season 4 was still great. Mountain and the Viper is one of the greatest episodes of television ever.
E Street was great viewing in the late 80's/early 90s era but the Mr Bad storyline was close to the Shark Jump moment. The actor himself (Vince Martin) said he asked producers for more character development so the scriptwriters simply had him kill more people. He left mid-storyline so they had Mr Bad shot to within an inch of his life while they scrambled for a replacement off-screen. The new actor was swathed in bandages with just an eye visible and not speaking as - allegedly - the new actor couldn't speak English particularly well. Killing off Reverend Bob also didn't help things. By the end the show was only just short of a cartoon.Australian soap E Street would also qualify for both the successful TV shows with poor first series and those that fell away at the end.
In 1988 Channel 10 debuted a new soap called Richmond Hill, but it was not a success and axed after only a year. A new soap was commissioned for 1989 - E Street - and it was to be much darker and edgier than its predecessor and other popular soaps Home and Away and Neighbours. It was also to have the same format as Channel 7's 'A Country Practice' with two hour long episodes per week, rather than a serial soap like Home and Away and Neighbours.
Unfortunately, the creators seemed to take the dark and edgy a little too literally. The new show was completely devoid of lighter moments and any semblance of humour, and the storylines had such strong and unpleasant material that the show was drab and at times downright depressing. Viewers turned off in droves, the new show was a disaster and Channel 10 executives might have been wishing they had stuck with Richmond Hill.
It seemed likely E Street would be axed mid year, but it was given a reprieve and major changes. It was turned into a serialized soap, and while it did still have some stronger material, it was nowhere near as bleak as those stories seen in the early months of the show and more relatable characters and humour injected into the mix. The results were immediate and successful and the revamped E Street was a huge hit for the second half of 1989, and into 1990, 1991 and 1992.
Unfortunately, in the second half of 1992 ratings for the soap started to soften. Like Home and Away and Neighbours, E Street had a 'real world' setting, but in an attempt to boost ratings for 1993 it started to include outlandish, unrealistic storylines like werewolves and a lifelong paraplegic suddenly finding the ability to walk with no explanation. These weren't a success with viewers and the revamped E Street axed before mid year, a situation unthinkable just 12 months earlier.
However, as weird as the last few months of E Street in 1993 were, if the ratings had improved things would have become weirder still if it had continued in the second half of 1993 and 1994. The setting of E Street was a fictional suburb in Western Sydney called Westside. However, it was planned to move the show to Melbourne and retcon Westside to always having been a western suburb of Melbourne rather than Sydney.
I feel like there was a clear decline from season 3 on...4 is still pretty good because it's still the closest to its peak, but the cracks start to show at that point. Tyrion starts to become far less interesting. By the time he hooks up with Daenerys, he's a shadow of himself.
Good call on Outsider. Cracking first couple of eps...There's some obvious ones that have been mentioned already:
Some that haven't been mentioned though:
- Homeland (it had its moments in later series, but was nowhere near the level of Season 1)
- Westworld (I actually enjoyed Season 2 more than most people, but Season 3 was a dumpster fire)
- House Of Cards (the loss of Kevin Spacey was always going to be a massive hole to fill)
- Game Of Thrones (is there a show that has dropped further in terms of how much people talked about it?)
- Arrested Development (this was tied as my favourite show of all time, yet somehow they managed to make two disastrously unfunny seasons to follow up)
- UnReal - It started off as a brutal take-down of the reality behind reality TV and was really clever, with some amazingly terrible characters. But the second season (and later ones) was a pretty quick descent into scenarios that they had parodied in the first season.
- Master Of None - Presumably Aziz wanted to be in less of Season 3 due to being kind-of-cancelled, but it was just torturously boring. I understand wanting to create a cinematic atmosphere, but the amount and length of the pointless scenery shots were a huge step down from the first two seasons (that were both really fantastic in very different ways).
- The Affair - This was a fantastic concept to show the same story from different points of view and had a great mystery intertwined with the main story (ie the affair itself). But the concept became farcical the longer they tried to keep it going and the storylines ended up turning the show into a soap opera.
- The Outsider - This one has the distinction of managing to fall from grace within the timeframe of a single season. And incredible mystery that ramped up in intensity and craziness as it went along and then ... it just went really crap. Characters acted completely differently, plotlines didn't make sense, and a ludicrously underwhelming shoot out before the whole thing ended with a whimper.
- Making A Murderer - The first season was an amazing journey through the failures of the American criminal justice system with an entirely unlikeable protagonist, but generated so much discussion about his guilt/innocence. Then the second season just felt like a money grab from everyone involved, stretching out the same story with not much more insight.
I enjoyed Fringe to the end.Every single show that lasted long enough. Tougher question would be name a show that goes five seasons where the quality doesn't drop by the end.
Lots drop off much quicker but very few maintain their quality for 5.
I liked Dexter. Do not remember losing interest at any point.Dexter.