Goodbye Karl, the greatest power forward in NBA history

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Never liked the guy as a player, but can't argue with some of those numbers...

But Yze_Magic - you've lost it mate. :rolleyes:

Saying Malone dominated the paint against Olajuwon, Ewing, Shaq, Mourning and Robinson while they were all in ther prime - what?? Malone didn't play the same position as any of those players, so how can you compare them, let alone say "he dominated the paint" against them?

Strange comments indeed...
 

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Never liked the guy as a player, but can't argue with some of those numbers...

But Yze_Magic - you've lost it mate. :rolleyes:

Saying Malone dominated the paint against Olajuwon, Ewing, Shaq, Mourning and Robinson while they were all in ther prime - what?? Malone didn't play the same position as any of those players, so how can you compare them, let alone say "he dominated the paint" against them?

Strange comments indeed...
Not strange at all, are you saying that PF's can't take it to centres in the paint??
 

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Not strange at all, are you saying that PF's can't take it to centres in the paint??
I'm saying that Malone would hardly ever have been directly matched up against O'Neal, Ewing, Olajuwon or Robison - so how can you (or Yze_Magic) say that he "dominated" them in the paint?

Yes, he may have "taken it to centres" (as you put it) during his career, but you might as well compare oranges and apples whilst you're at it.
 

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I'd say Karl was one of the top 2 or 3 power forwards to ever play the game. His longetivity contributed to many of his records, but he was a great scorer and could get to the foul line at will. Had a nice mid-range jumpshot to complement his inside game.
He will always be remembered as a scorer but he was a good rebounder and solid defensive player. His physical style could get under the skin of the opposition and influence a game. Those who were not imtimidated could get injured by one of Malone's elbows. Malone was voted the dirtiest player in the NBA numerous times. Lesser players would have probably been fined and suspended for throwing elbows and kicking/kneeing a lot more often than Malone was. He definately got favourable treatment from the NBA and referees, but that's the star sytem in place in the NBA. It is sad that he got away with intentionally hurting other players for so long!
He never played with a good offensive centre in Utah and IMO this is why he never won a ring. His injury in the playoffs last season was the main reason the Pistons dominated the Lakers in the finals.
Having said all this, he never dominated the great centres of his era. The reason for that was that he rarely matched up with the great centres on the court. Not a knock on Malone, just a fact of the game. If he possessed that type of game, he would have played in the middle instead of duds like Mark Eaton and Greg Ostertag.
Will be remembered as greatest Jazz player of all time. Should also be remembered as the dirtiest player of all time. Should go down as the second greatest Jazz scorer of all time. Pete Maravich was far and away the best on the offensive end to wear the purple, green, and gold.
 
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Does anybody remember the skybox series in the 90's that had the 'showdown cards'. There was one that had Bird v Johnson, was Malone in one?
 
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There is no greater moment in professional sports in the past 2 years than when Malone announced his retirement. He's a walking joke. I am so glad he has finally "delivered for the last time" - and not a second too soon.

If I had the finances, I would have arranged to fly over to the Staples Center in L.A. and position myself, with rifle in hand - up in the stands...Taking aim at Malone, I would have picked him off with sheer precision, and taken pleasure in seeing his ageing, title-less body hit the floor, face first.

Of course - the only problem. I would have had to been aiming at the bench, he didn't play more than 3 minutes a game in his last season as player - trying desparately to ride the coat-tails of so-called future hall-of-famers just to get a title.

Malone = clown. The most boring, useless NBA player EVER. What a clown he is.

Hopefully he'll move back to Louisiana and run a pig-farm with Karl Jr. or Karl Jr. Jr., or even Karl Jr. Jr. Jr.
 

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Having said all this, he never dominated the great centres of his era. The reason for that was that he rarely matched up with the great centres on the court. Not a knock on Malone, just a fact of the game. If he possessed that type of game, he would have played in the middle instead of duds like Mark Eaton and Greg Ostertag.
Exactly my point, thank you. :)
 
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There is no greater moment in professional sports in the past 2 years than when Malone announced his retirement. He's a walking joke. I am so glad he has finally "delivered for the last time" - and not a second too soon.

If I had the finances, I would have arranged to fly over to the Staples Center in L.A. and position myself, with rifle in hand - up in the stands...Taking aim at Malone, I would have picked him off with sheer precision, and taken pleasure in seeing his ageing, title-less body hit the floor, face first.

Of course - the only problem. I would have had to been aiming at the bench, he didn't play more than 3 minutes a game in his last season as player - trying desparately to ride the coat-tails of so-called future hall-of-famers just to get a title.

Malone = clown. The most boring, useless NBA player EVER. What a clown he is.

Hopefully he'll move back to Louisiana and run a pig-farm with Karl Jr. or Karl Jr. Jr., or even Karl Jr. Jr. Jr.

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"Colonel" "Matrix",

You'll need to do better than that. I have more knowledge about the NBA in my broken little finger than you do in your entire body.

Malone underachieved - he should have won at least a couple of titles, but let's be honest - he was never THAT kind of player to carry a team to a title. Malone was a Scottie Pippen (1993/94, part of 1994/95) calibre player; very good, but unable to get to the next level and win without having a true superstar (Jordan) to take the load.

Thinking about it, Utah was probably the most talentless team of the 1990's. Stockton and Malone, that's about it - add to that, simply a carousel of interchangeable duds, from Chris Morris, Olden "Police Impersonator" Polynice, Greg Postertag, Antoine "Big Dog" Carr, etc. Dud after dud. Not to mention Greg "I think I am a great player but couldn't tie Jordan's shoes" Foster, Howard "please let me stay on the one roster for more than 2 seasons" Eisley and Jeff "I'll acknowledge my kids by wiping the side of my face during free-throw attempts" Hornacek.
 

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Malone = clown. The most boring, useless NBA player EVER. What a clown he is.
These words are what i'm having a go at you about. Sure I accept that he never won a title, and we're not discussing the Utah franchises achievements in this thread, where discussing the achievements of the player himself.

As a player he was most definitely not boring and he was not useless.

His career highlights completely discredit your above statement, and he's definitely not boring, I bought his jersey, I watched him wrestling on TV with Dennis Rodman, I saw his ferocious breakaway dunks... Why do I even bother writing this response...

I love you Karl, even if this guy doesnt.
 
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KFC Matrix,

You say:

As a player he was most definitely not boring and he was not useless.

His career highlights completely discredit your above statement, and he's definitely not boring, I bought his jersey, I watched him wrestling on TV with Dennis Rodman, I saw his ferocious breakaway dunks... Why do I even bother writing this response...

I love you Karl, even if this guy doesnt.

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Wow, I didn't know you bought his jersey - that completely changes things. He's a certain hall-of-famer - I've also called David Stern, and he's agreed to retrospectively credit Malone with 2 titles; the one's that Jordan and the Bulls wouldn't let him win in 1997 and 1998. So, there you go - Malone, 2 time NBA Champion of the Utah Jazz.

You also saw him wrestle on TV? Man - you're lucky. After speaking with Vince McMahon, he's agreed to let Malone wrestle the ghosts of Johnny Most and Chick Hearn for the WWE Title at the next Wrestlemania! That way, Malone is all but guaranteed to finally accomplish something meaningful in his career. Maybe, if we're lucky - Diamond Dallas Page might be at ringside, and Malone can flash another "diamond cutter" symbol at the crowd, like he inexcusably did during the NBA Finals back in 1997 - terrible act of selfishness that it was...

Ferocious breakaway dunks? Karl Malone? Oh, you mean the ones where he put his left-hand up next to the side of his head, and poked his elbow out sideways? Wow, they are real ferocious. He first did that back in about 1991 at the Asian NBA tour, to open the regular season - it was as gay and boring then as he was for the rest of his career - I've seen better dunks in a donut shop.
 

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Ferocious breakaway dunks? Karl Malone? Oh, you mean the ones where he put his left-hand up next to the side of his head, and poked his elbow out sideways? Wow, they are real ferocious. He first did that back in about 1991 at the Asian NBA tour, to open the regular season - it was as gay and boring then as he was for the rest of his career - I've seen better dunks in a donut shop.
agree with the gay & boring dunks..



 

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Ferocious breakaway dunks? Karl Malone? ... He first did that back in about 1991 at the Asian NBA tour, to open the regular season - it was as gay and boring then as he was for the rest of his career - I've seen better dunks in a donut shop.
You're really on quite a roll, Stunt_Show. I'm really picking up a negative vibe towards Karl Malone in your posts.. :rolleyes:

Speaking of Malone - if, hypothetically, Garnett plays up to his mid-late 30's, and manages to drag his Wolves into the NBA Finals a couple of times (unlikely looking at the mess they're in now) - is it possible that Garnett would become the greatest power forward of all-time?

I'd say it's possible, but I know there's a lot of water to go under the bridge before then. But it's possible.
 
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Coxon,

Thanks for backing me up with photo evidence of those "ferocious, rim-rocking dunks"...man, he was strong - not...they are an embarassment to see in footage on TV, but to have to stare at that poster for more than a millisecond = suicide for me.

Malone is the antithesis of superstar. He has no personality, even after 394 years in the league. He can't even talk properly...
 
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Also, why would anyone actually CHOOSE to pose like that when they dunk? My goodness, that is so, so sad...

I agree with Luke2177, Garnett has the chance to surpass most of the so-called milestones of Malone - let's be honest, it won't be hard - he's still young, even at his veteran status of close to 10 years in the league. He has a completely different body-type, so it would be interesting to see.

I can't see Garnett staying with the Wolves for more than 3 or 4 more years, once his first chance to opt-out of his $1.045 trillion dollar deal. He'll go to a bigger market and win a title pretty soon thereafter - he only needs one or two other good solid team players (ie not Cassell or Chokewell), and it's a done deal.
 
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That's a good call KFC,

Ewing, Miller & Malone were all hacks. I use "were" even for Miller - he's only showing up for the pay check these days, as Spielberg's not casting for E.T. II.
 

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Hopefully he'll move back to Louisiana and run a pig-farm with Karl Jr. or Karl Jr. Jr., or even Karl Jr. Jr. Jr.
:D :D :D

Agree that he is an underachiever. He couldn't win a title with Stockton, Hornacek and co, or with Shaq, Kobe and Payton.
 
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Thanks Matty - at least you have some logical thought in your mind. Malone disrupts chemistry of teams, so he never had a chance to win a title for real anyhow.

He was one of the most selfish players ever to play the game. He chose NOT to foul (as he would have fouled out of the game) in a crucial loss to the Bulls during the 1997 (maybe 1998) Finals, IN Utah - due to his non-foul, the ball was easily advanced up court and resulted in a Bulls dunk, and win...

SELFISH - thy name is Karl Malone.
 

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I just hate him for his careless, thuggery use of elbows, his precious rejection of the Mavs advances in the 2004 free agent period (Because the Mavs spoke to him hours after they spoke to Mourning) and most recently, because Coxon posted some of his crap dunks, what about the man-biatch squabbles with Kobe.

"Malone was so upset, he worked a stair climbing machine for an hour.

"At level 14," he said. "I mean, I was blindsided.""


I hope he enjoys his retirement. The guy flat out sucks.
 
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I understand and respect your comments about team chemistry, winning championships etc.

But as an actual player, the way he scored, the way he defended, the personal milestones he achieved. Can you at least give him some kudos for that?
 
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