Coach Goodwin sacked

[L_W_P]

In an alternative universe where Jesse Hogan stays and Sam Weideman actually kicks on…

They had a great setup even after this.

Pickett - Brown - Fritsch
Petracca - McDonald - Spargo/Sparrow/ANB

Brown only just turned 32. TMac is playing in defence.

For some bizarre reason they just never settled on a KPF partnership and never developed any sort of chemistry inside 50.

JVR looks decent enough. Find him a solid partner and just give them 50-60 games together to work through things.

 

[nineteen eighty]

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He was succesful, with a ripping defence and heavyweight midfield. Pretty sure he's been sacked for off field behaviours, but why now?

If this is true then wind the club up. Flag coach gets no farewell game. Botched announcement.

...

Sacked for non football reasons. Great if unbalanced list, talented but troubled coach, the administration is a circus.

I'm thinking the same thing. They have either tired of his wayward ways or he's been caught doing another "Good Thing" episode on premise. Just 3 weeks ago he was very public that they are undergoing a transformation program. It was in the media. He was unequivocal in his statement. So either the board didn't like him saying that OR he's been a naughty boy (again). I'm thinking the later.

 

[jannissary]

They had a great setup even after this.

Pickett - Brown - Fritsch
Petracca - McDonald - Spargo/Sparrow/ANB

Brown only just turned 32. TMac is playing in defence.

For some bizarre reason they just never settled on a KPF partnership and never developed any sort of chemistry inside 50.

JVR looks decent enough. Find him a solid partner and just give them 50-60 games together to work through things.

i hate to sound like that bespectacled moron but it's a bit of a sliding doors moment, isn't it?

i think it's great that they'd won with what they had but it's certainly a "what could have been" kind of deal.

 

[iameviljez]

They had a great setup even after this.

Pickett - Brown - Fritsch
Petracca - McDonald - Spargo/Sparrow/ANB

Brown only just turned 32. TMac is playing in defence.

For some bizarre reason they just never settled on a KPF partnership and never developed any sort of chemistry inside 50.

JVR looks decent enough. Find him a solid partner and just give them 50-60 games together to work through things.

Pretty sure that injuries really got both McDonald and Ben Brown. That said, they were never a great tall forward pairing - Brown isn't quite the prototype 2020s tall forward, and Tom McDonald is a better defender than a forward.

 

[emuboy]

How many coaches in history have been sacked after an 83 point win?

Gary Ayers coaching tenure at Adelaide ended in mid 2004 following a game in which the Crows thrashed the Western Bulldogs by 9 goals at Football Park.

 

[Rotayjay]

Footy moves quickly, and winning a flag a few years ago won't save your job if you don't keep up with changes in tactics.

Furthermore, the culture issues remind me of when we got rid of Don Pyke. He got us to a grand final, but allowed a bad culture to fester. The senior coach's position is untenable once the culture has gone bad.

 

[iameviljez]

Footy moves quickly, and winning a flag a few years ago won't save your job if you don't keep up with changes in tactics.

Furthermore, the culture issues remind me of when we got rid of Don Pyke. He got us to a grand final, but allowed a bad culture to fester. The senior coach's position is untenable once the culture has gone bad.

I don't think Goodwin is tactically deficient.

In the full course of time, I really want to know who was responsible for holding both Petracca AND Oliver to their contracts, and where Goodwin sat on that matter. It seems completely obvious now (and, let's face it, then) that Oliver in particular had to go, and possibly Petracca too.

 

[Cyclops]

I don't think Goodwin is tactically deficient.

In the full course of time, I really want to know who was responsible for holding both Petracca AND Oliver to their contracts, and where Goodwin sat on that matter. It seems completely obvious now (and, let's face it, then) that Oliver in particular had to go, and possibly Petracca too.

Fair.

He's a flag coach, they don't grow on trees.

The contracts have been getting insane, hope this nixes the 1.7 and 2 million contracts rumoured to be on offer.

 

[iameviljez]

Furthermore, the culture issues remind me of when we got rid of Don Pyke. He got us to a grand final, but allowed a bad culture to fester. The senior coach's position is untenable once the culture has gone bad.

It's not the only similarity either - a clearly delusional board, in particular the CEO, who doesn't know just when to stop saying Everything's Fine Nothing To See Here, having failed to deal with player discontent.

 

[Young Redleg]

Top four isn't top four? One flag in 50 years, and now you're demanding more, seems delusional.

No I'm not demanding more dickhead. My point was that 2022/23 were both failed seasons because we couldn't win a single ****ing final. It had nothing to do with flags.

 

[iameviljez]

This is going to go down as one of the worst coach sackings in the history of the AFL.

2007-2016 Melbourne did not play finals.

In 9 years in an 18 team competition, Goodwin made finals 4 times, top 4 three times and won a flag.

Look, I don't think you can argue that the era from 2022 onwards was anything other than a serious disappointment. The fact that Melbourne was ratshit in the years leading up to Goodwin's appointment isn't all that relevant - half of the upshot of that was the fact that the list became pretty stacked.

 

[demondavey]

Pretty sure that injuries really got both McDonald and Ben Brown. That said, they were never a great tall forward pairing - Brown isn't quite the prototype 2020s tall forward, and Tom McDonald is a better defender than a forward.

McDonald had a really good half of 2021 but did drop away. Hasn’t been the same since. Great defender, was excellent early on in his career. If he was at a better club he’d have stayed back and probably stayed there.

Brown did what we needed. He was one note but reliable. Very good set shot. Also had a big finals series that year. The issues were always issues, we’ve had poor entry into the F50 and we have kicked really badly. That gets overlooked. Our goal kicking is really poor. I recall WC having a not so great F50 between 05-07, however the midfield was electric and they adapted with lots of mid/forward types. We’ve never done that.

I am hoping we focus on forward entry, stabilising defence with Petty locked in to overtake May soon, and a F50 that is better in front of goal, runs both ways, and the pressure is heightened.

 

[Breretonisahood]

It’s easy to blame Dees fwds like Brown, McDonald, Fritsch et al, but I reckon Plugger would’ve struggled in that fwd line with the way the ball was delivered. Those Clarry over-the-shoulder helicopters would be hard to mark even with hands like Stevie Loewe!

 

[iameviljez]

I recall WC having a not so great F50 between 05-07, however the midfield was electric and they adapted with lots of mid/forward types.

Describes Geelong from 2007 - 09 to a tee as well.

 

[ray_purchase]

This is going to go down as one of the worst coach sackings in the history of the AFL.

2007-2016 Melbourne did not play finals.

In 9 years in an 18 team competition, Goodwin made finals 4 times, top 4 three times and won a flag.

LOL

He should have been sacked much sooner. How many finals has he won since the flag? Give you a clue, its less than 1

 

[demondavey]

It’s easy to blame Dees fwds like Brown, McDonald, Fritsch et al, but I reckon Plugger would’ve struggled in that fwd line with the way the ball was delivered. Those Clarry over-the-shoulder helicopters would be hard to mark even with hands like Stevie Loewe!

Delivery has been absolutely awful. Totally agree.

 

[The Casey Cat]

I don't think Goodwin is tactically deficient.

In the full course of time, I really want to know who was responsible for holding both Petracca AND Oliver to their contracts, and where Goodwin sat on that matter. It seems completely obvious now (and, let's face it, then) that Oliver in particular had to go, and possibly Petracca too.

If he was presenting to the board at the start of the year that he believed they were still right in the hunt for a flag (as is being reported) then not a stretch to say he wanted to keep everyone together and hold them (and others that I think should have been traded or trade investigated) to contracts. He's in his l rights to do this too but also has to take responsibility if it doesn't work.

 

[randyzany]

Should change his name from Goodwin to Badloss after derailing a quality list that should have been capable of winning multiple flags due to engaging in illicit behaviour that he should stamped out but instead indulged in as well.

 

[Handsuper47]

Should change his name from Goodwin to Badloss after derailing a quality list that should have been capable of winning multiple flags due to engaging in illicit behaviour that he should stamped out but instead indulged in as well.

Why? He helped win them a flag in probably the most convincing fashion we've seen in some time, he leaves with a huge win and a 55% win rate of games coached. Plenty of talented sides don't even win ONE flag, you should know that with all the Geelong teams that happened before 2007.

 

[randyzany]

Why? He helped win them a flag in probably the most convincing fashion we've seen in some time, he leaves with a huge win and a 55% win rate of games coached. Plenty of talented sides don't even win ONE flag, you should know that with all the Geelong teams that happened before 2007.

I think the Dees won that flag in spite of Goodwin's coaching ability similarly to how I view Dog's flag under Bevo. With that much talent a lot of average coaches would have achieved the same result or perhaps do even better.

 

[Cyclops]

No I'm not demanding more dickhead. My point was that 2022/23 were both failed seasons because we couldn't win a single ****ing final. It had nothing to do with flags.

So we are sticking with top 4 isn't top 4 because...?

Not winding you up, but if your thesis is Goodwin couldn't coach, I disagree. Denigrating his footy brain seems silly when his footy record speaks for itself.

He was given some gun players, so were Voss, Fly, Pyke, Buckley etc.

Maybe he should've been sacked for his personal problems, sure the gambling and alleged drugs are his problem, but recruiting, extending him, the silly contracts for Tracc and Clarry, thats the club.

 

[Handsuper47]

I think the Dees won that flag in spite of Goodwin's coaching ability similarly to how I view Dog's flag under Bevo. With that much talent a lot of average coaches would have achieved the same result or perhaps do even better.

You really think so? Bevo joined in 2015, they won the flag next year, while Goodwin was there since 2014 (starting as an assistant) and they won it in 2021. I think Goodwin was part of the culture that led to the flag and without him they'd never win it.

 

[randyzany]

You really think so? Bevo joined in 2015, they won the flag next year, while Goodwin was there since 2014 (starting as an assistant) and they won it in 2021. I think Goodwin was part of the culture that led to the flag and without him they'd never win it.

A better more mature coach that didn't indulge in illicit activities with players may have a won flag faster and prevented the downward spiral of the past 3 years in the first place but I guess we will never know.

 

[Cam Payne]

A better more mature coach that didn't indulge in illicit activities with players may have a won flag faster and prevented the downward spiral of the past 3 years in the first place but I guess we will never know.

So someone like Bomber Thomps...oh wait.

 

[Handsuper47]

A better more mature coach that didn't indulge in illicit activities with players may have a won flag faster and prevented the downward spiral of the past 3 years in the first place but I guess we will never know.

You could also make the same argument for Worsfold when he coached the Eagles, or Malthouse when he coached the Magpies. They could have done more but at least they got to walk away with one premiership for their tenure at those clubs respectively.