Rumour Goodwin under close scrutiny

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From what I'm hearing if we don't win enough in the first half of the season, it'll be Chocco interim coach till end of season and then Yze head coach next year.

Also I've been hearing that even at the moment, Goodwin is simply the face of the club and Chocco is doing the heavy lifting behind the scenes anyway.
Can only assume you’re hearing direct from Chocco. Was at a SANFL grand final lunch where he was speaking and he started talking about his success with Port. On my table was a former port premiership player rolling his eyes.
 

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Can only assume you’re hearing direct from Chocco. Was at a SANFL grand final lunch where he was speaking and he started talking about his success with Port. On my table was a former port premiership player rolling his eyes.
Or maybe the person you are responding to is full of sh*t. Although maybe I could be wrong and inner sanctum discussions at AFL clubs are often passed onto random posters
 

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Are you forgetting that Choco was pivotal in getting Dustin Martin on track as a footballer and a person. He was a mess prior to Choco. Without Choco's influence on Martin, you don't get those flags.
Choco definitely had an influence at the tigers.
But in 2017 we cleaned out most of our assistants and I doubt all the changes to our culture would have occurred otherwise.
Goodwin shouldn’t need an assistant with coaching experience now IMO. And it could be a distraction.

just my opinion
 

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Choco definitely had an influence at the tigers.
But in 2017 we cleaned out most of our assistants and I doubt all the changes to our culture would have occurred otherwise.
Goodwin shouldn’t need an assistant with coaching experience now IMO. And it could be a distraction.

just my opinion
That's all true. There's no single thing that makes a winning formula.

But the real question is: will the new Mrs Hardwick bring the same magic the original Mrs Hardwick did?
 

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Mark Neeld, Tim Watson, Matthew Primus, Justin Lepitch, Rhyce Shaw all worse and they are just off the top of my head

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These guys had basket case lists and/ or football departments. Goodwin has taken over after the club was buffed up by Roos with a lot of AFL support to make them competitive and has made the finals once in 4 years.
If Melbourne don't do anything this year then he definitely fits into this category
 

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These guys had basket case lists and/ or football departments. Goodwin has taken over after the club was buffed up by Roos
I think the whole Roos thing is extremely overrated. He won 17 games in his last two seasons, Dean Bailey (who was viewed as a very poor coach) won 15 in his last two seasons. Goodwin wasn't exactly in some dream situation in comparison to Mark Neeld as an example
 

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Robert Shaw, smiling guy at Carlton
Was trying to think of the Carlton guy and couldn't remember when I posted, but now remember it's Brendan Bolton. Shaw was actually a pretty good coach at Fitzroy, but had no idea what to do when he inherited a team of thoroughbreds and had facilities, staff etc that he'd never had before. He was appointed because after Cornes all the talk was that you had to have a Victorian with some mongrel to stand a chance against the Vic teams. Complete crap obviously, but that was the prevailing thoughts of the times. I believe Cornes would have got us a premiership, but they gave him the arse after one ordinary year.
 

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I think the whole Roos thing is extremely overrated. He won 17 games in his last two seasons, Dean Bailey (who was viewed as a very poor coach) won 15 in his last two seasons. Goodwin wasn't exactly in some dream situation in comparison to Mark Neeld as an example
Bailey was shafted by Melbourne (Connolly) and the AFL, they should carry significant guilt for the way he was treated.
 

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Was trying to think of the Carlton guy and couldn't remember when I posted, but now remember it's Brendan Bolton. Shaw was actually a pretty good coach at Fitzroy, but had no idea what to do when he inherited a team of thoroughbreds and had facilities, staff etc that he'd never had before. He was appointed because after Cornes all the talk was that you had to have a Victorian with some mongrel to stand a chance against the Vic teams. Complete crap obviously, but that was the prevailing thoughts of the times. I believe Cornes would have got us a premiership, but they gave him the arse after one ordinary year.
I agree to all of that
 

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Bailey was shafted by Melbourne (Connolly) and the AFL, they should carry significant guilt for the way he was treated.
A scapegoat for a completely broken & incompetently ran club.

Liked bails and despite 186 felt we could have gone somewhere with him if the administration of the club wasn't a complete shambles.
 

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A scapegoat for a completely broken & incompetently ran club.

Liked bails and despite 186 felt we could have gone somewhere with him if the administration of the club wasn't a complete shambles.
I loved Bails just because he was a very funny bloke - easily the best sense of humour among the coaches of his day. Shame he passed so young.
 

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not really, we got ours the next year.

reality though circlejerk coach guru Roos exists for one last moment act.
That's fair, but the same applies to Worsfold who seemed to dine out on the same level of success and at least Roos' Sydney side didn't leave a trail of victims of crime and drug abuse in it's wake.
 

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These guys had basket case lists and/ or football departments. Goodwin has taken over after the club was buffed up by Roos with a lot of AFL support to make them competitive and has made the finals once in 4 years.
If Melbourne don't do anything this year then he definitely fits into this category
Roos worked a miracle in morale boosting but he didn't leave a lot behind in game plan or skills. Goodwin pretty much had to start again on the fly there. Roos also traded away a whole bunch of picks for instant improvement (which was really the only way to go). But bringing in Tyson, Vince, Bugg and others for short term gain has cost the list now. Melbourne have really had to do a mini rebuild since 2018.

And AFL support? Debt protection, a CEO hire suggestion and the same dodgy free agency compo here and there that every team gets, nothing like what the Suns have got and on par with several sides who have botched it under the recent AFL admin - Brisbane, St Kilda, maybe even Port in terms of finance protections.