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vast said:
Just my point of view that if the batman aint ginna be around then neither should the joker.
Whoever they get will prob not be any good.
I think the he is big screen character.

I realise its a bit stupid but just what I think, but it doesnt matter coz I think its been confirmed that he is gonna be in it. I hope its closer to the end of the show if it has a long run that we see a full on joker.
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Very true, it'll piss many fanboys and girls off big time as Joker doesn't really emerge until just before and during the rise of Batman, same with most Batman major villiians. It wouldn't be right otherwise.
 
vast said:
Gotham is unlikely to cross over with arrow/flash because its on a different network and made by different production company. So it is a separate universe.

The new supergirl show is by the people that made arrow/flash but different network will be airing it.
So maybe it could cross over if the networks agree.
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It will be interesting if they tie in more Batman villians on arrow though, but anyway l digress.
 
hayes said:
Arrow and the Flash are going to be the only shows crossing over aren't they? Different studios aren't going to help each other out I would've thought. Would be a world first.
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Yep. Arrow and Flash are the only ones in the same universe. All the other DC shows exist by themselves
 
Just watched it and I think it sets up to be a pretty good show. Hopefully we do see Joker eventually, can definitely see him terrorizing that place. Don't want a backstory for him though.
 

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not too bad. i have some issues with the ages of some of the characters like Catwoman is the same age as Bruce or older now? Bullock being so much older than Gordon, and Essen as the captain along with Montoya not Bullock's partner and above him, but they atleast have her as a lesbian . the Riddler working for the GCPD when he has a couple of great origin stories. But having Gordon as a "Hero cop" just doesnt feel right same with him not just arriving in Gotham. and the Joe Chill thing is stupid. I wish they had a rose with Falcone or called him the Roman. alot of hints in the show which was nice.

The Joker thing i think most are forgetting they have said they will not have him in the first season but every week there will be someone who could become the joker in the future. This week was a great call back to his origins from BTAS

But they have got the Bullock casting perfect IMO.
 
Really good episode.

Ben Mckenzie does a great job of playing a good and honest cop with "danger in his eyes".

Fish Mooney is already looking to be a bit of a nasty villain, and I like the whole intertwining with Gotham and Falcone.

The first 15 minutes of the show already made it clear how ****ed Gotham is and how overrun it is by criminals.

That penguin bloke plays it off really well.

Bruce Wayne kid is cool.

My only problem, was Alfred always such a stiff-looking campaigner? Really don't like the way they are portraying Alfred.

All in all, a good first episode.
 
NitroFan said:
Im hoping it doesnt turn in to some big 'hey look heres *insert villian here* as a kid' jerk off at the expense of everything else.
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Of course it will.

Pointless series. The point of Batman is that his presence is responsible for the creation of most of the villains. If a guy like Gordon can keep them under control (which he'll have to or else he'll be dead and there's no series) then wtf's the point of Batman?
 
akkaps said:
Agree with Oswald's casting, That guy has the face of a serial killer.

Not sure, but was that Catwoman/Selina Kyle at the start of the episode?

The Pilot has really set some plot lines up, and has cleared (and will clear) uncertainties from the past
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yea
 
Mostly liked it but had a few issues

Why was Alfred such a campaigner?
Poison Ivy as the kid of the guy they went after?
& Ben McKenzie is still a bit wooden in parts, heaps better than the oc though

Did enough to bring me back

Did anyone else notice the first scene we see the stage at the club, in the background and there are 3 dancers dressed like Harlequins and next scene we see the stage there was a comedian, thought that was a subtle thing to keep people guessing.
 

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ManWithNoName said:
Of course it will.

Pointless series. The point of Batman is that his presence is responsible for the creation of most of the villains. If a guy like Gordon can keep them under control (which he'll have to or else he'll be dead and there's no series) then wtf's the point of Batman?
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Why are you whinging about the point of batman when he isn't going to be in this show?
 
hayes said:
Why are you whinging about the point of batman when he isn't going to be in this show?
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Because I'm a comic book nerd. (who has actually read very few comic books tbf)
 
ManWithNoName said:
Of course it will.

Pointless series. The point of Batman is that his presence is responsible for the creation of most of the villains. If a guy like Gordon can keep them under control (which he'll have to or else he'll be dead and there's no series) then wtf's the point of Batman?
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But we have already seen all the batman villains are either kids or henchmen Gordon can easily clear up the police and original baddies leaving room for the rise of the jokers etc and the need for batman

Gordon cleans the joint up super villains begin to appear shit goes crazy we see batman for the first time in the last scene series ends.
 
Sorry if I'm going to spoil (although don't think it's that important) I'm on my phone

The villains for this season seem to be mainly Falcone and Fish Mooney. I don't know the batman lore that well, but I know Fish Mooney has been created for the show. Is Falcone as well?

Anyway, the ones we've seen are poison ivy, Penguin, Catwoman and possibly Joker/Riddler.

They all look like they are in their infancy of their villainess, in fact, they don't even look evil yet, so to say this is the rise x villain is pretty premature
 
TheFreshBanana said:
Sorry if I'm going to spoil (although don't think it's that important) I'm on my phone

The villains for this season seem to be mainly Falcone and Fish Mooney. I don't know the batman lore that well, but I know Fish Mooney has been created for the show. Is Falcone as well?

Anyway, the ones we've seen are poison ivy, Penguin, Catwoman and possibly Joker/Riddler.

They all look like they are in their infancy of their villainess, in fact, they don't even look evil yet, so to say this is the rise x villain is pretty premature
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Falconi's origins are from the comics themselves. Was also a major villain in Batman Begins.
 

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Red Black and Blue said:
Unfortunately it was shithouse. Cliched and poorly acted.
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I agree to an extent, although I wouldn't go as strong as shithouse, but yeah it was definitely a bit too cliched and the acting was fairly wooden throughout too. I made the mistake of watching it straight after Boardwalk Empire so coming from the quality of acting and writing in BE probably exacerbated these shortcomings a fair bit.

However I feel like the pilot did a good job of pushing it in an interesting direction so I'll give it another week before writing it off.
 
Red Black and Blue said:
Unfortunately it was shithouse. Cliched and poorly acted.
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Poorly acted in most parts and cliched yes, I hate how they shoe-horned some batman villians in the debut to get people talking as well. Understand why to get the buzz but it felt so forced
 
Sterge10 said:
But we have already seen all the batman villains are either kids or henchmen Gordon can easily clear up the police and original baddies leaving room for the rise of the jokers etc and the need for batman

Gordon cleans the joint up super villains begin to appear shit goes crazy we see batman for the first time in the last scene series ends.
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Alright let me put on my comic book nerd hat here.

The Joker can NOT appear in this series. The Joker exists solely BECAUSE Batman exists. He's the mayhem to Batman's control. That's the great irony. Without Batman would the Joker exist? Batman foils the Joker and saves lives, but so many still die. And is it BECAUSE he is Batman and he exists?

Can not appear in this series.
 
pantskyle said:
Surprised Foxtel aren't showing it. Will download it when it's all available.
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9 have the rights for it.

ManWithNoName said:
Alright let me put on my comic book nerd hat here.

The Joker can NOT appear in this series. The Joker exists solely BECAUSE Batman exists. He's the mayhem to Batman's control. That's the great irony. Without Batman would the Joker exist? Batman foils the Joker and saves lives, but so many still die. And is it BECAUSE he is Batman and he exists?

Can not appear in this series.
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Actually he can exist in the series, not as the Clown prince of crime, but as red hood or just make him a small time criminal. But they have altered almost everyones origin stories for the show or seem to be not using well known character traits. There are so many things that are off as a comic reader but i never expected it to follow the comics due to who they have in the show in the time its set. I have alot of the same issues with Arrow because almost everyone is stolen from the batman comics, but as long as i dont think of the shows to exist in the same worlds as the books it doesnt bother me too much they seem more as an "Elseworld" or alt reality telling of the characters. But you can pick the same holes in the Batman movies and the other DC live action movies
 

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