Graham gone for 4

[CrowToon]

AFL decides homophobia is four times worse than death threats.

Discuss.

 

[Coasters7]

AFL decides homophobia is four times worse than death threats.

Discuss.

On one hand it’s consistent with the Finlayson one. On the other, you could bring up multiple instances of worse actions copping much more lenient penalties

 

[TW Sherrin]

Threaten assault and the AFL don't care.

Call someone a **** and its a month.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

AFL decides homophobia is four times worse than death threats.

Discuss.

Not much to discuss. Graham made a mistake but he also didnt look the part either while making that mistake im afraid

Its just expected nowadays. Graham knew the precedent here so cant cry too much about it

 

[Hollow Knight]

We all know the AFL botched the Rioli thing. It would be doubling down on the botch if they were now to use it as a precedent for very tenuously related offences.

If people really want to wade in on judging proportionality, compare instead the outcome for Graham to the consequences of homophobic slurs in the places where we work. Especially if those workplaces already have clear policies that have been visibly applied for previous instances of the same gronk behaviour.

He got off very light.

 

[Freddy Swift]

I’m sorry I don’t care what’s expected nowadays but 4 weeks is just far too harsh. People need to harden up. Whatever happened to ‘sticks and stones…’.

FFS you can end someone’s career under the guise of a football act and cop nothing. But call someone a name and you are crucified.
The AFL has gone to shit under this regime.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I’m sorry I don’t care what’s expected nowadays but 4 weeks is just far too harsh. People need to harden up. Whatever happened to ‘sticks and stones…’.

“Sticks and stones” was twee Boomer shit that did nothing other than enable bullies and gaslight their victims into mental health issues and suicide attempts.

It institutionalised the dangerous idea that true toughness was suffering in silence, rather than asking for help or calling out people on their toxic bullshit.

Good riddance to that crap.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

GWS player probably should have reached out after and said “not on mate you gotta do better - if I dobbed you in you could have got 4 weeks”.

Real man stuff.

 

[Hollow Knight]

GWS player probably should have reached out after and said “not on mate you gotta do better - if I dobbed you in you could have got 4 weeks”.

Real man stuff.

Let’s look for as many peripheral people to blame rather than going straight to the source.

 

[CrowToon]

“Sticks and stones” was twee Boomer shit that did nothing other than enable bullies and gaslight their victims into mental health issues and suicide attempts.

It institutionalised the dangerous idea that true toughness was suffering in silence, rather than asking for help or calling out people on their toxic bullshit.

Good riddance to that crap.

Gone too far the other way.

Outrage and being offended at every turn.

People have no resilience these days.

Need to find the right balance.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Gone too far the other way.

Outrage and being offended at every turn.

People have no resilience these days.

Need to find the right balance.

Perhaps you need to become more resilient in a society that is getting better at calling people out on their shit?

It’s all a matter of perspective really.

 

[CrowToon]

Perhaps you need to become more resilient in a society that is getting better at calling people out on their shit?

It’s all a matter of perspective really.

That only makes sense if you make up your own definition of resilience

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Gone too far the other way.

Outrage and being offended at every turn.

People have no resilience these days.

Need to find the right balance.

The AFL is the wokest sporting code in the world.

 

[Hollow Knight]

That only makes sense if you make up your own definition of resilience

Not really. I just think you're too close to the source to see it. No one seems more consistently and pathologically outraged and offended to me these days than the people who are constantly complaining that everyone else is outraged and offended and that there is supposedly some "woke" boogeyman hiding behind every tree. Then they psychologically implode when a brand of cheese changes its name.

If society is shifting to a point where people are more often getting called out on their bullshit, it seems like those agitating against this shift are the ones showing a lack of resilience.

I think minority groups have, by historical and cultural necessity, shown far more resilience than most of us could ever imagine.

Whereas the person whining "ugh... you can't even say 'insert bigoted slur' anymore" sounds to me like a pathetic sook. Harden up indeed!

 

[Cmarsh]

What did he say?

 

[tropicaltiger]

I’m sorry I don’t care what’s expected nowadays but 4 weeks is just far too harsh. People need to harden up. Whatever happened to ‘sticks and stones…’.

FFS you can end someone’s career under the guise of a football act and cop nothing. But call someone a name and you are crucified.
The AFL has gone to shit under this regime.

agree. graham would have better of calling his opponent a fat, ugly parasite and mention that he took their mum and sister out and had a 3some. terrible sledge but not sure if a reportable offence.

 

[lizard man]

has it been reported anywhere what the exact words were?

 

[Underarm]

Gone too far the other way.

Outrage and being offended at every turn.

People have no resilience these days.

Need to find the right balance.

So what's the right amount of homophobia for you?

 

[CrowToon]

Not really. I just think you're too close to the source to see it. No one seems more consistently and pathologically outraged and offended to me these days than the people who are constantly complaining that everyone else is outraged and offended and that there is supposedly some "woke" boogeyman hiding behind every tree. Then they psychologically implode when a brand of cheese changes its name.

If society is shifting to a point where people are more often getting called out on their bullshit, it seems like those agitating against this shift are the ones showing a lack of resilience.

I think minority groups have, by historical and cultural necessity, shown far more resilience than most of us could ever imagine.

Whereas the person whining "ugh... you can't even say 'insert bigoted slur' anymore" sounds to me like a pathetic sook. Harden up indeed!

We can all agree the ones who wish they could use slurs 'like the good old days' are well placed in the dustbin of history.

I don't come at this from any sort of angle like that at all. I don't think we should have discrimination at all on the basis of any protected characteristic.

I think I'm part of the middle on this type of issue and I find myself tiring of everyone being outraged and demanding the maximum penalty for every instance of perceived slight. Of people twisting words and meaning of others into a way they can claim victimhood.

I have been accused of being racist on this forum today because others decided they were in control of what I meant, not me.

We live in a world where we are expected to not only NOT be discriminatoy, which is of course great, but also to conform to one view and actively practice that view whether you think it or not.

Some workers have to announce their pronouns, some have to have a variety of messaging in their email signatures. Two small examples of where this continues to head - people are in a race to be victims. Particularly when they can profit from it.

Sometimes bad things will happen - we need to be better at being able to work through it and resolve our differences. Not immediately scream to the world we are victims and demand someone be disgraced publically.

 

[CrowToon]

So what's the right amount of homophobia for you?

None. Grow up.

 

[Underarm]

None. Grow up.

Hey you're the one who said we had "gone too far the other way" and that "people have no resilience".

How else do you interpret that than that you think it was better when you could be a little racist, or sexist or homophobic and the people affected should harden the **** up?

 

[CrowToon]

Hey you're the one who said we had "gone too far the other way" and that "people have no resilience".

How else do you interpret that than that you think it was better when you could be a little racist, or sexist or homophobic and the people affected should harden the **** up?

How else? Ask rather than assume.

It leads to better discussion. As you age you will hopefully better appreciate that.

 

[Underarm]

How else? Ask rather than assume.

It leads to better discussion. As you age you will hopefully better appreciate that.

First thing I did was ask. You gave a contradictory answer.

So have we gone too far when it comes to combating Homophobia and Racism and Misogyny? Should people just be more resilient instead of people being less homophobic?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I have been accused of being racist on this forum today because others decided they were in control of what I meant, not me.

It really depends on what you said and in what context. I've seen people claim they didn't mean anything discriminatory before, when in fact they were being discriminatory and simply didn't want to acknowledge it. Not saying that's the case with you, just that people aren't always looking at it from an impartial perspective.

We live in a world where we are expected to not only NOT be discriminatoy, which is of course great, but also to conform to one view and actively practice that view whether you think it or not.

And what view is that exactly?

Some workers have to announce their pronouns, some have to have a variety of messaging in their email signatures. Two small examples of where this continues to head - people are in a race to be victims. Particularly when they can profit from it.

I don't understand this. Are you saying putting pronouns in an email signature is a race to being a victim and profiting from it?

Sometimes bad things will happen - we need to be better at being able to work through it and resolve our differences. Not immediately scream to the world we are victims and demand someone be disgraced publically.

Who is screaming that they are a victim in this case?

 

[Rich01]

4 weeks is a lot.
But the AFL has shown it’s hand that it has absolutely no tolerance for homopobic slurs, whether we think the punishment is too hefty or not.

Not really the sort of act you’d expect from a guy that was recruited to provide leadership to a club with a real lack of it.