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It’s not that Lester was bad.Just on Lester why anyone is having a go at him has me a bit confused.
He wasn't that bad. Others were way worse.
Absolutely.It’s not that Lester was bad.
It’s more that Collingwood exploited a lot of our players weaknesses.
They put a lot of work in to negating quite a few of our players, and looked to exploit mismatches when ever they could.
Whereas, from 8000km away, it looked like we focused on one matchup, Dunkley on De Goey, and we exploited one mismatch, when Daniher had a much shorter defender on him at one moment of the game.
It just appears that Fagan was out coached on multiple levels.
I dont disagree Collingwood were incredibly well drilled and look to have put a lot of planning and learning after the loses to us through the year.It’s not that Lester was bad.
It’s more that Collingwood exploited a lot of our players weaknesses.
They put a lot of work in to negating quite a few of our players, and looked to exploit mismatches when ever they could.
Whereas, from 8000km away, it looked like we focused on one matchup, Dunkley on De Goey, and we exploited one mismatch, when Daniher had a much shorter defender on him at one moment of the game.
It just appears that Fagan was out coached on multiple levels.
It’s not that Lester was bad.
It’s more that Collingwood exploited a lot of our players weaknesses.
They put a lot of work in to negating quite a few of our players, and looked to exploit mismatches when ever they could.
Whereas, from 8000km away, it looked like we focused on one matchup, Dunkley on De Goey, and we exploited one mismatch, when Daniher had a much shorter defender on him at one moment of the game.
It just appears that Fagan was out coached on multiple levels.
What, there can’t be many different reasons why Collingwood were better than us?They just played better. Reading far too much into it
if they were going to negate players they wouldn’t have let Kiddy have 21 first half touches
You just seem to keep coming up with different reasons why Collingwood were better than us
For the first time one of your posts gave me a laugh.They put a lot of work in to negating quite a few of our players, and looked to exploit mismatches when ever they could.
Whereas, from 8000km away, it looked like we focused on one matchup, Dunkley on De Goey, and we exploited one mismatch, when Daniher had a much shorter defender on him at one moment of the game.
It just appears that Fagan was out coached on multiple levels.
What, there can’t be many different reasons why Collingwood were better than us?
There are many posters on here who have provided brief and extensive explanations and analysis of why Collingwood were better than us.
Similarly, there’s been plenty of media articles and discussion about Collingwood beating us.
There are reasons why “they just played better than us”.
As Mighty Lions mentioned in one of his posts, we weren’t ready for their “move forward at all costs” style of play.
I always thought Wilmot was the obvious matchup for Hill. And everyone could see Hill was on from the start.What perplexed me about Hill was the space we gave him even in the third quarter. At one point collingwood were streaming forward and nobody was within 40m of him. After 4 goals in the first half. I know it's old fashioned for a total lockdown but at least someone should have had a leg-rope on him
There was a point deep in the third where collingwood were on a fast-break and somehow had 2 players in heaps of space. looked a certain goal and would have put us 2 goals down. the kick somehow went straight to starcevich. we looked totally done then but to be fair improved in the last quarter
Let's say a close loss can be up to 15 points.
And let's use examples of teams that have not won a flag in the recent years before such a close loss
And limit to this century
Pies 2002 - 9 point loss. 2003 - Grand final
Eagles 2005 - 4 point loss - 2006 - premiership
Saints 2009 - 12 point loss (6 points when siren sounded) - 2010 grand final (draw then loss)
Hawks 2012 (they did win in 2008 but a lot of new players in this side) - 10 point loss - 2013 premiership
Dockers 2013 - lost by 15 points - 2014 finished 4th, then went out in straight sets
Swans 2016 (they had won four years earlier) - 2017 6th, went out in semi final
Collingwood 2018 - lost by 5 points - 2019 finished 4th, lost prelim by 1 point
So no disasters there.
The worst result swans but plenty of those players had flags
Freo still made top 4
My other POSITIVE - Daniher was broken when he came to the lions. Is now on 69 games for us, could be father son eligible by 2025!
D d d d did you just imply we were.Good luck in 2024. Your team play the game the way it should be played.
Yes the 50m last qtr frees were unforgivable, but in the end they took their chances, Degoey and Sidebottom goals, to win the GF and we couldn’t take ours, Joe from 30m and Hipwood from 50+. So much for blaming an umpiring decision between the arc’s, we had our chances to WIN but failed in a painfully familiar way.Two things, both directly related.
One- we have had an obvious deficiency at HB for years now. Yesterday it came back to bite us, big time. Whoever placed Starc on Hills and LEFT HIM THERE, effectively lost us the game.
Two- the 50m in the last sealed the deal and unfortunately will stay with the offender the rest of his career. It's not acceptable to attempt an impact on the game, when you have had very little, by a bit of fake tough crap.
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He was awesome early in his second year (2022). Was clearly not the same player with the shoulder and in hindsight a mistake to keep him out there.100% on Daniher. He is a massive positive. I liked that we got him. I liked him in his first year. He frustrated the hell out of me and I then didn't like him. I then liked him again this year and even more now.
Hopefully he has at least 5 more years left minimum.
Okay final edition of my ripped- off segment that nobody cares about except me.
THE GOOD
WE HUNG IN THERE - didn't always play well but even when pies had momentum and incredible crowd noise we kept coming back. we had a long period of being on top in the last quarter after looking out to it early.
WE WERE SKILLED UNDER PRESSURE - some of those goals were just phenomenal. Bailey. Linc. Clugga's pass to Daniher at the end and evasiveness before. Cameron's 45m left foot snap.
REPUTATIONS WERE ENHANCED - Clugga was excellent after a poor first quarter. Daniher apart from one bad miss was very good, competed hard, great presence of mind to bang that one in at the end. Coleman until he was gassed. Harris' last quarter was phenomenal. I thought Neale was really good late as well - our two skippers lifting to give us a chance to win.
LOSING A CLOSE ONE - so many examples of getting smacked in a granny and the damage it does. this will hurt but it keeps us confident that we are good enough, which i think is important for this group
THE BAD
OUTRUN - so much for 29 degrees helping us - i just think collingwood ran harder when it mattered. Chopping off options to swtich, and always being within a metre for players on a lead. We so often give a player that crucial 2-3m. Allowing it to happen when they played 2 rucks as well. A big part was...
THE WINGS - thoroughly outplayed here. It wasn't that either of their wings destroyed us but we got very little from ours while Sidebottom and J Daicos both played key roles for them. Fletcher better for the run, no pre-season. Berry... more to say later
SOME OF THE BIG MOMENTS - this has been a theme according to players. Some of the worst one - misses in the last quarter from Daniher / Hipwood / Coleman. We were well on top at this stage. The Berry 50m. The Cameron downfield (gave them breathing space when we were hemming them in). Berry taking too long to kick deep in to forward line and getting half caught. About 10 moments in that centre clearance after Cameron's last goal. Both sides had moments all day but so many critical moments we fluffed in the last quarter, it was too much too overcome
COMMENTARY ON HOW GOOD THE PIES ARE IN CLOSE GAMES INCLUDING GF Sure they shut down the game well against GWS. Very well. Against us when they tried to shut down with 4 minutes to go, we managed multiple entries, a goal to daniher, and then 2 more entries in the last 90 seconds, one of which should have been a free kick from a legging 55m out. We created good opportunities. The pies could not shut us down.
THE UGLY
SOME OF THE UMPIRING clugga got a very dodgy 50m which helped us stay in touch. Mistakes happen. But that advantage call was rubbish and totally against the earlier time we were not allowed to take advantage. And the too high frees to daicos were a daicos. blatant ducking and arm flicking which was supposed to be targeted. Mistakes happen from all but those were just blatant errors the umpires should not have made
RED TIME this is ugly not bad because it was such a similar situation to the Mebourne game - blindly kicking it long to collingwood ruckmen. The last few minutes of the first quarter was just so bad. We looked bereft of ideas. Nobody taking responsibility to short-pass and hang on to the ball.
OUR USE OF THE SUB pies were down a sub already. How could we not do something earlier given how hot it was? Okay Lyons is not a runner. But get him in the guts, he was fresh on such a hot day. We continue to be the most conservative and worst user of the sub in the league. Once the pies had gone tall i would have had Fort as sub. Could have made such a difference in the last quarter - give him some centre bounces, stretch the pies by popping oscar in the goal square.
INABILITY TO EVER CHANGE THINGS UP again such a bugbear. Berry was doing nothing at half time. So give him a tagging job on one of the wingers and at least get a draw there. Rayner couldn't get in the game - isolate him at full forward for 10 minutes. Bailey had been brilliant in the first 35 mins then gone quiet, so what could we do with him? McKenna very quiet could he get a go on the wing? Shift ah chee back who is quiet in the forward line / wing? We just don't throw around the magnets. We never try to wrongfoot the opposition.
WHERE TO FROM HERE
Get Ashcroft back - that will help.
Doedee - i think he could be perfect, good disposal and intercept mark. Payne and Andrews the true tall timber.
Get a good early fixture - given they are both coming off knees!
Get McQualter - or someone of that ilk. Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater but we need to get better in our match-day coaching. My maxim on assistant coaches is: if no opposition side would ever consider one of your assistants as a senior coach, you need a senior 2IC.
Maximise our assets - Rayner get fitter. Bailey figure out how to get him involved more. Coleman get fitter. If these 3 players are involved in any given play it's highly likely to result in a score. It just doesn't happen enough.
Get fitter as a side - we need to inject that relentless running in to our running players. Sharp could be a real weapon too. I think he showed good signs.
GLASS IS HALF FULL
Way better to have made it than another year of no GF.
Pies have a lot of 30+ veterans who were key to winning. They should not scare us too much.
Giants and blues could be dangerous - it's also hard for them now with a top 6 draw and having to start all over again
Dees still don't really have a forward line
Some sides will improve and top 2 won't be easy.
But our finals record over the past 2 years is now 4-2. Won one at the mcg and lost another there by 4 points. We have built belief. Need some luck, especially on the injury front which has been kind to us lately.
Biggest looming issue is no gabba. But a jammed full brighton homes arena might be pretty hard to win at for opposition too
Very passive aggressive.Whats with this Collingwood nuffie going through and reacting to old posts
Whats with this Collingwood nuffie going through and reacting to old posts