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Are Richmond really more intense and high velocity than Collingwood was in 2010/11?

Didn't Colingwood average something like 115 points and 70 tackles or something?
I'm pretty sure Richmond don't average that

Whatever the case that takes a huge amount of workrate!
 
Are Richmond really more intense and high velocity than Collingwood was in 2010/11?

Didn't Colingwood average something like 115 points and 70 tackles or something?
I'm pretty sure Richmond don't average that

Whatever the case that takes a huge amount of workrate!
Yep, and we blew it all away
 

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I thought I would bring a sense of perspective to the whole thing.

Here's some perspective:

tigas have 3 flags in 4 years, meanwhile at Collingwood, apparently in the 'window' at the same time has bupkis.

tigas have 3 flags in 4 years, meanwhile at Collingwood, apparently the powerhouse over the course of the competition have 2 flags in 6 decades.

Collingwood of 2009 - 2011 viewed as would smash any current team won one flag in their 'dynasty'

Perspective.
 
Having grown up seeing Mathews play, he was freak but if he played today it would be a different story. Martin is definately a better player than Mathews, just my opinion and not based on 40 years of media hype, Mathews never won a Brownlow
Because he was a thug. But he was also a superstar and matchwinner.
 
Here's some perspective:

tigas have 3 flags in 4 years, meanwhile at Collingwood, apparently in the 'window' at the same time has bupkis.

tigas have 3 flags in 4 years, meanwhile at Collingwood, apparently the powerhouse over the course of the competition have 2 flags in 6 decades.

Collingwood of 2009 - 2011 viewed as would smash any current team won one flag in their 'dynasty'

Perspective.
So you really think that Collingwood team would beat the current Richmond team?
 
Are Richmond really more intense and high velocity than Collingwood was in 2010/11?

Didn't Colingwood average something like 115 points and 70 tackles or something?
I'm pretty sure Richmond don't average that

Whatever the case that takes a huge amount of workrate!
Not sure it’s all about tackles.
Richmonds ability to get to the contest in numbers, to push the ball forward by hand or foot, normally controlled with skill, is unsurpassed.
This is built on intelligence and speed. Something we don’t possess in great numbers.
An example of this was Reiwoldt, lying on his back, still impacting by using his foot to dislodge the ball from a Geelong players hands.
We don’t do that. We aren’t coached to do that. We don’t have the skill level to do that without giving away a free.
 
Not sure it’s all about tackles.
Richmonds ability to get to the contest in numbers, to push the ball forward by hand or foot, normally controlled with skill, is unsurpassed.
This is built on intelligence and speed. Something we don’t possess in great numbers.
An example of this was Reiwoldt, lying on his back, still impacting by using his foot to dislodge the ball from a Geelong players hands.
We don’t do that. We aren’t coached to do that. We don’t have the skill level to do that without giving away a free.

Richmond do lots of clever little things which all add up. Some are on the edge of being allowed, but they do just enough - or not enough - to get away with it. Like arguing with the umpire when awarded a free against. Gives teammates time to get into position. Other clubs do it too, it’s not an innovation. But in a game where centimetres count, it helps.
 
Not sure it’s all about tackles.
Richmonds ability to get to the contest in numbers, to push the ball forward by hand or foot, normally controlled with skill, is unsurpassed.
This is built on intelligence and speed. Something we don’t possess in great numbers.
An example of this was Reiwoldt, lying on his back, still impacting by using his foot to dislodge the ball from a Geelong players hands.
We don’t do that. We aren’t coached to do that. We don’t have the skill level to do that without giving away a free.
Yes! It's a mystery to me why more teams don't focus on being more proactive instead of the risk adverse approach.

Apart from Sydney in 05 I can't remember any premiership team that wasn't proactive in their play.
 
Richmond do lots of clever little things which all add up. Some are on the edge of being allowed, but they do just enough - or not enough - to get away with it. Like arguing with the umpire when awarded a free against. Gives teammates time to get into position. Other clubs do it too, it’s not an innovation. But in a game where centimetres count, it helps.
Iook up the highlights of Essendon in 2000 on youtube, they were knocking the ball on at all costs and aggressively shepperding to free up other players.

It really is nothing new apart from the fact that Richmond do it in more congestion.
 

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Undoubtedly, a % of 167 over 20 wins says so. This current tigas team is not on the same park.
I think you're right, but i'm sure a lot of people on this forum will dismiss it because Richmond are the new shiny toy that people are gravitating to.

In 5 years time another team will come along and then Richmond will be old news again
 
I think you're right, but i'm sure a lot of people on this forum will dismiss it because Richmond are the new shiny toy that people are gravitating to.

In 5 years time another team will come along and then Richmond will be old news again

And in true Collingwood style it probably won't be us. We'll be almost again.
 
Iook up the highlights of Essendon in 2000 on youtube, they were knocking the ball on at all costs and aggressively shepperding to free up other players.

It really is nothing new apart from the fact that Richmond do it in more congestion.
Rich have made a dynasty, but the team they have now is no match for lions of 01-03 and hawks of 13-15. Says a lot about the competition atm.
 
Rich have made a dynasty, but the team they have now is no match for lions of 01-03 and hawks of 13-15. Says a lot about the competition atm.
Richmond wouldn't hold a candle to the Lions of 01-04, Geelong of 07-11, Collingwood or 10-11 or Hawthorn of 13-15.

And I agree the state of the competition right now is not strong.

BUT - what Richmond do in this day and age over massive over-complication, is play the simplest, most attacking brand of football of anyone in the competition. Its a significant credit to Hardwick and his assistants that they've been able maintain success over such a sustained period, essentially playing the same 'style' throughout.
 

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Richmond wouldn't hold a candle to the Lions of 01-04, Geelong of 07-11, Collingwood or 10-11 or Hawthorn of 13-15.

And I agree the state of the competition right now is not strong.

BUT - what Richmond do in this day and age over massive over-complication, is play the simplest, most attacking brand of football of anyone in the competition. Its a significant credit to Hardwick and his assistants that they've been able maintain success over such a sustained period, essentially playing the same 'style' throughout.
Don't know why coaches go down the "risk adverse" path as their default.

Every single premiership team I can remember were proactive with ball in hand, but still had a solid back six in tact.

Maybe, the only exception to that is Sydney.
 
Richmond wouldn't hold a candle to the Lions of 01-04, Geelong of 07-11, Collingwood or 10-11 or Hawthorn of 13-15.

That Collingwood team doesn't belong in that list. If you are going to add a single premiership team, then Essendon 2000 belongs on that list. None of the teams mentioned would beat the 2000 Essendon team.
 
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