Essendon are putting pressure on the AFL to fix up the Grand Final ticket fiasco. Well I wish them good luck, as it is about time someone stood up and asked the question. But I really wonder if Essendon are feeling the backlash from supporters who didnt get a Grand Final ticket last year, I have spoken to a few who say that they wont be joining this year, they are just going to buy tickets for each home and away game. They didnt like the system last year (they couldnt sit with friends or family who were not members) and the fact they didnt get a ticket for the GF really p...ed them off. Of course we are not going to know till we see the figures at the end of the year, but was just wondering what others thought. I dont think that Essendon are on their own with this though as I remember StKilda supporters dropped after the 97 GF, it wasnt just because they lost but a lot were unable to get GS tickets then as well.
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Call me cynical but It sounsd like Mr CEO Essendon is assuming that the Bummers will make the GF this year.
I suppose that leaves runners-up spot for the rest of us to play for
I suppose that leaves runners-up spot for the rest of us to play for
Try looking at Carlton '96
There is a lot of football to be played before Essendon can even think of making the Grand Final.
The Gods of Injury smiled graciously on them last year, but may not be so kind this year.
You don't know if they are as motivated - due to feeling of satisfaction / fulfilment - or are over-confident. Too many variables.
To just think that by turning up they will collect another premiership is the height of arrogance - and yet this is the perception I get from Essendon followers!
That is paying the opposition absolutely no respect - respect that some deserve and will collect on.
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The Gods of Injury smiled graciously on them last year, but may not be so kind this year.
You don't know if they are as motivated - due to feeling of satisfaction / fulfilment - or are over-confident. Too many variables.
To just think that by turning up they will collect another premiership is the height of arrogance - and yet this is the perception I get from Essendon followers!
That is paying the opposition absolutely no respect - respect that some deserve and will collect on.
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While I agree with what Peter Jackson, the CEO of Essendon is calling for, like Pess, I'm very cynical about the timing of it. If every club gave up 500 tickets, assuming that each club sells them in packages worth $500 per ticket, then each club will lose $250,000 in revenue. Somehow I can't see clubs wanting to give up that revenue. I get the feeling that Peter Jackson would not be saying the same thing if he wasn't so confident that the Bombers will be there on Grand Final day in 2001.
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AS much as I hate Essendon, for once they are doing the right thing. It is so f****d that non competing teams get allocated tickets, when all of them should rightfully go to competing club members, the heart and soul of the respective clubs!! It was an absolute joke that there are over 35 000 Bomber members, and only 13 000 members got to go to the grand Final. If that isn't wrong, I don't know what is. As a Carlton Social Club member, I would be bloody angry if we got into the GF and I missed out. I dont pay 200+ to see other club members get to go in my place.
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No-one else even try to compete-you can never beat the best.
GO BLUES.
2001-Time to Deliver.
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No-one else even try to compete-you can never beat the best.
GO BLUES.
2001-Time to Deliver.
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Obviously Essendon are concerned with their own affairs but good on them.
The current system of ticket allocation is a disgrace. For the 14 non-competing clubs to receive 1500 tickets each is ridiculous. Essendon's suggestion to cut this figure down to 1000 to create an extra 8000 tickets for members is a good idea.
I realise that the obvious drawback is the non-competing clubs will lose a lot of their annual revenue because they sell these tickets in package deals to the corporates. But for grass roots support of this game, competing members, the people who buy their membership and attend the footy week in week out, deserve a fair opportunity to see their team play in the Grand Final.
I know from the 1997 experience how devastated lifelong saints supporters were to miss out in tickets. A lucky decision to line up at Melbourne Park rather than the St Kilda Football Club was the only reason why my family was able to get tickets. Since then, I have become a St Kilda Social Club and will alawys remain so in order to never miss out on a Grand Final ticket. (If we ever make another one
) It will be inevitable that members will miss out on tickets, but surely these people should be in the minority.
And Daphne, you were right that many supporters were devastated about missing out on tickets but our membership of 16,000 in 1997 did increase to 23,000 in 1998. Sadly, unless something is done, clubs are going to find it hard to convince prospective members to sign up when the incentive of a Grand Final ticket is only on offer to a selective few.
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The current system of ticket allocation is a disgrace. For the 14 non-competing clubs to receive 1500 tickets each is ridiculous. Essendon's suggestion to cut this figure down to 1000 to create an extra 8000 tickets for members is a good idea.
I realise that the obvious drawback is the non-competing clubs will lose a lot of their annual revenue because they sell these tickets in package deals to the corporates. But for grass roots support of this game, competing members, the people who buy their membership and attend the footy week in week out, deserve a fair opportunity to see their team play in the Grand Final.
I know from the 1997 experience how devastated lifelong saints supporters were to miss out in tickets. A lucky decision to line up at Melbourne Park rather than the St Kilda Football Club was the only reason why my family was able to get tickets. Since then, I have become a St Kilda Social Club and will alawys remain so in order to never miss out on a Grand Final ticket. (If we ever make another one
And Daphne, you were right that many supporters were devastated about missing out on tickets but our membership of 16,000 in 1997 did increase to 23,000 in 1998. Sadly, unless something is done, clubs are going to find it hard to convince prospective members to sign up when the incentive of a Grand Final ticket is only on offer to a selective few.
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I say too bad - corporates keep the game going as much as the rank and file supporters do.
Without the guarantee of Grand Final tickets, mnay clubs would lose valuable sponsorship dollars, which ultimately ends up costing the average punter with increased ticket prices etc etc ... or in the extinction of their football club.
I have to say that if supporters who claim to love their clubs so much, can't afford to put say $20 per week away to purchase a membership that guarantees them a Grand Final ticket ( I am making exaggerated assumption based on the absolute maximum North charges) - then unfortunately you cannot expect to be there on Grand Final day.
Without the guarantee of Grand Final tickets, mnay clubs would lose valuable sponsorship dollars, which ultimately ends up costing the average punter with increased ticket prices etc etc ... or in the extinction of their football club.
I have to say that if supporters who claim to love their clubs so much, can't afford to put say $20 per week away to purchase a membership that guarantees them a Grand Final ticket ( I am making exaggerated assumption based on the absolute maximum North charges) - then unfortunately you cannot expect to be there on Grand Final day.
Well im with the Dons hierarchy on this one, even if their are ulterior motives (i.e. more tickets for themselves) behind it.
Big corps may be part and parcel of the game, but they will only be so for
as long as the grass roots supporter SUPPORTS that game. Otherwise they will have no hesitation in picking up their sponsorship dollars and finding a new breeding ground to infest and ruin.
If the clubs do lose the 500 tickets unilaterally then surely that cost could be
absorbed this season (of all seasons) by the increased revenue from the TV rights sales?
Yes it means less revenue and money is STILL tight, yet wouldnt the goodwill generated by such a decision be of long term benefit to all clubs?
I mean we all want to get to the GF one day. Anything done to increase the average persons chance of being able to see THEIR team play in a GF can only be a step in the right direction.
Big corps may be part and parcel of the game, but they will only be so for
as long as the grass roots supporter SUPPORTS that game. Otherwise they will have no hesitation in picking up their sponsorship dollars and finding a new breeding ground to infest and ruin.
If the clubs do lose the 500 tickets unilaterally then surely that cost could be
absorbed this season (of all seasons) by the increased revenue from the TV rights sales?
Yes it means less revenue and money is STILL tight, yet wouldnt the goodwill generated by such a decision be of long term benefit to all clubs?
I mean we all want to get to the GF one day. Anything done to increase the average persons chance of being able to see THEIR team play in a GF can only be a step in the right direction.
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O.K. Pess, i'll call you cynical.
where's wally?
I agree with Peter Jackson on this one. More tickets should be made available to the diehard club supporter who are mad and passionate about their team. It's true Corporate Sponsorships keep clubs going. However, I know from experience that the grand final packages that are made available to the corporates - are usually distributed to people whom have no interested whatsoever in the game, but go along because it is a 'status thing' just like it is to be in a marquee on Cup Day - and they go to the footy just to get pissed and nothing else. Why should these people get to see a GF when the diehard fan misses out? It's not fair.
Good on Essendon for making a stand, it's about time a club did.
Good on Essendon for making a stand, it's about time a club did.
Well I'm sorry, but that's bad luck to those clubs. If a club has to RELY on Grand Final ticket handouts so that they can sell them themselves at a greatly inflated price, then they shouldn't be in the competiton. They should take care of their financial matters through the "normal" means. If a club seriously has to rely on handouts from the AFL with these tickets then that club is in trouble.
I'm sure if clubs run their finances correctly, they can get by without 500 tickets for the Grand Final given to them scot free, that they sell for an inflated price as part of a package (eg breakfast and a Grand Final record)
They will still get plenty of tickets, just much less than what they do now - fair enough too. Someday, these clubs ae going to have to get by ON THEIR OWN, instead of getting by financially through these "abnormal" means.The AFL has just signed a 500 million doallr contrct. I'm sure a few more Grand Final tickets for club members can be allocated.
Also, there are 17,000 series tickets. Why does a series ticket even exist???? It's meaningless. The AFL could scrap half of those and free up even more Grand Final tickets for competitng clubs
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CJH,
Who said anything about Essendon making this year's Grand Final? Any footy supporter with half a brain knows how quickly things can change. Think you may have missed the point. Don't you think things'd be better if you had a better chance to attend the GF if YOUR team was playing? It's about time a club made a stand on this issue.
where's wally?
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kymhodgemansmo
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Fork out an extra $20 per week then and you don't have to worry about it for godssake.
Everything else in this world is determined by price - demand and supply - Grand Final tickets are the same and I think rightfully so too.
And clubs have every right to have tickets available to them, 1500 if thats what they determine as reasonable, to attend the showcase event of our competition - it is the showpiece of all AFL football otherwise we wouldn't watch the thing when our team wasn't in it.
It is a day for all supporters, not just those in the game.
I empathise with those supporters who miss out on tickets, but as I say, pay the price, pay more for your membership and it won;t be a problem.
Everything else in this world is determined by price - demand and supply - Grand Final tickets are the same and I think rightfully so too.
And clubs have every right to have tickets available to them, 1500 if thats what they determine as reasonable, to attend the showcase event of our competition - it is the showpiece of all AFL football otherwise we wouldn't watch the thing when our team wasn't in it.
It is a day for all supporters, not just those in the game.
I empathise with those supporters who miss out on tickets, but as I say, pay the price, pay more for your membership and it won;t be a problem.
Back in the real world Dim24, part of club finances involves providing finals tickets to sponsors. Do you seriously think that corporations will sponsor clubs out of charity? They expect something in return and that includes finals and Grand Final tickets. That one quarter of a million dollars I mentioned comes just from ticket sales, it does not include loss of sponsorship should the finals tickets (for corporate entertainment) not materialise.
As for the series tickets, they are either sold as part of packages (either to corterie groups or corporate sponsors) or given to those who have contributed to the club over many years.
To throw the ball back in your court, you attened the Grand Final every year under you AFL membership. Why should you have the right to attend if Essendon isn't playing in it? Give up your seat to a fan who actually barracks for one of the competing clubs. But of course, the AFL SOLD you your membership. You PAID for the right. Your money goes into helping to run the game. Essentially it's no different to the AFL distributing finals tickets to clubs for their revenue and reward (for club stalwarts) activities.
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I agree with the Essendon CEO and i think all other clubs should be asking the same thing.
Sure the clubs will lose revenue but the TV rights would easily make up for it. IMHO it's worth it for an extra 8000 tickets to die hard members.
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Sure the clubs will lose revenue but the TV rights would easily make up for it. IMHO it's worth it for an extra 8000 tickets to die hard members.
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Shinboners,
You seem to miss the point. In your post, you "allude" that the clubs will not be receiving their GF ticket allocation, hence a loss of dollars fort those clubs. Under Essendon's proposal, every club will still get a heap of tickets........ just 500 less than they do now.
What's my AFL membership got to do with it. There is room for BOTH AFL members "AND" competing club members at the Grand Final. There are 100,000 sats.....it's simple mathematics. There is room for both, it's just a matter of determining the allocation.
I still think if a club has to rely on 500 GF tickets (which they sell at an inflated price) to survive in the AFL, then there is something wrong.
You seem to miss the point. In your post, you "allude" that the clubs will not be receiving their GF ticket allocation, hence a loss of dollars fort those clubs. Under Essendon's proposal, every club will still get a heap of tickets........ just 500 less than they do now.
What's my AFL membership got to do with it. There is room for BOTH AFL members "AND" competing club members at the Grand Final. There are 100,000 sats.....it's simple mathematics. There is room for both, it's just a matter of determining the allocation.
I still think if a club has to rely on 500 GF tickets (which they sell at an inflated price) to survive in the AFL, then there is something wrong.
There's another answer to this.
Increase the capacity of the MCG !
They will be spending big dollars on it so why not ?
I heard some reports that said the capacity might be decreased. So why spend Big money just to make it more comfortable for a few (and judging by some MCC Members response they don't want it anyway.
Waverley park was to have a huge capacity - up to 150,000. Now I have watched a game from the back of the top deck at waverley and the view is not too bad. With technology there's no reason why that couldn't be done at the 'G'
If the MCG were increased to, say 120,000, in a ten year span some 250,000 more ordinary fans would have attended a grand final.
There is also more demand for capacity for ordinary games. A couple of years ago some 130,000 fans attended games at waverley and the 'G' simultaneously.
Increase the capacity of the MCG !
They will be spending big dollars on it so why not ?
I heard some reports that said the capacity might be decreased. So why spend Big money just to make it more comfortable for a few (and judging by some MCC Members response they don't want it anyway.
Waverley park was to have a huge capacity - up to 150,000. Now I have watched a game from the back of the top deck at waverley and the view is not too bad. With technology there's no reason why that couldn't be done at the 'G'
If the MCG were increased to, say 120,000, in a ten year span some 250,000 more ordinary fans would have attended a grand final.
There is also more demand for capacity for ordinary games. A couple of years ago some 130,000 fans attended games at waverley and the 'G' simultaneously.
You are right Pess, but as Alf Andrews has often pointed out, the suits do not want this. They do want to restrict supply so that it is exceeded by demand, thus forcing the price up.
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This is a hallucination and these faces are in a dream. A computer generated environment; a fantasy island you can do anything and not have to face the consequences.
... And the suits always get a Grand final seat so who cares ?
I noted that Jack Elliot said he didn' particularly care if the MCG capacity were reduced.
The trend around the world is to smaller stadiums but I think AFL is unique in that it works quite well in a big stadium ( I think waverley park would have been the biggest playing surface in an enclosed stadium in the world) Especially with a few replay screens around the place.
Soccer has very quick, subtle movements near goal whereas in AFL there are the big aerial kinks, spectacular marks and a slow build up to a shot on goal. And up there you can appreciate how teams cover the 'territory' which is what the game is really about.
I noted that Jack Elliot said he didn' particularly care if the MCG capacity were reduced.
The trend around the world is to smaller stadiums but I think AFL is unique in that it works quite well in a big stadium ( I think waverley park would have been the biggest playing surface in an enclosed stadium in the world) Especially with a few replay screens around the place.
Soccer has very quick, subtle movements near goal whereas in AFL there are the big aerial kinks, spectacular marks and a slow build up to a shot on goal. And up there you can appreciate how teams cover the 'territory' which is what the game is really about.
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