Autopsy Grand Final 2016 - all discussion in here and nowhere else

[J_Moore]

our elders, Bob, Boyd and Morris are all well into their 30s and '17 will be their last year.

next tier is: Picken, Wood, Dickson, Suckling, Cloke(?), Crameri... would you include roughead in this group (25yo)? ... 25-30yo bracket.

everyone else is in the 19-24yo bracket, give or take a player I might have forgotten, and most of those closer to 20/21 than 24.

Yes - this is basically my point? The mid-aged players (25-30, traditionally the strongest performers) aren't as strong as the Swans. It's a potential advantage for the Swans, at least in 2017. The Dogs' victory was unprecedented in a lot of ways.

I'm not rubbishing the Dogs' list. Far from it.

 

[melbournehammer]

Genuinely had no idea why people thought we would miss the 8. I had us pegged as 3-8

Maybe as ever the experts are besotted with youf and draft picks not recognising that it is often the experienced players that stand up.

 

[J_Moore]

I've just watched the last quarter up until they blow us away. Mentally preparing myself for the last 7 minutes.


But the players threw everything at that. Absolutely everything. Parker clearly can't run properly but is still throwing himself in everything. Even Gary Rohan is going hell for leather, even if it's not working for him.

Smith has a couple of awful kicks. Likewise Papley. Tippett just looks completely off the pace.

But they had a crack.

Heeney just huge. Jones likewise. And Papley is everywhere, forward and back If he could kick/not burn Kennedy, it would've been some quarter.

 

[grimlock]

Agree mate. That's why I couldn't understand when Longmire said we didn't work hard enough and that's the main reason we lost

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Agree mate. That's why I couldn't understand when Longmire said we didn't work hard enough and that's the main reason we lost

Longmire always says that publicly every loss the players weren't hard enough or didn't apply the sort of pressure that we should.

I suggest internally its a different message.

 

[sataris]

Agree mate. That's why I couldn't understand when Longmire said we didn't work hard enough and that's the main reason we lost

Maybe he's referring to himself and letting half injured players start.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Skilton live stream is up if anyone wants to watch.

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/2016-10-06/2016-bob-skilton-medal-live-stream

 

[J_Moore]

Agree mate. That's why I couldn't understand when Longmire said we didn't work hard enough and that's the main reason we lost

One thing that's noticeable is there's far too much standing still when we're taking a set kick. No leading, or, just as significant, getting out of the damn way and forcing a defender with them.

But the defensive/contested stuff is as manic as I've seen. Even 0-touch McVeigh.

 

[RW]

One thing that's noticeable is there's far too much standing still when we're taking a set kick. No leading, or, just as significant, getting out of the damn way and forcing a defender with them.

Yes, this is what I assumed Horse meant by saying we didn't work hard enough, we certainly didn't lose due to a lack of pressure.

 

[The King!]

We know why we lost

And its not "the dogs wanted it more" s**t their fans believe

Proud of the boys

Maybe not mcveigh

 

[grimlock]

 

[The King!]

Do i want to watch this?

 

[Punts]

* that i still cant hack it

Havent watched a thing

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Few have mentioned that we "limped" into a GF but that seems to be the case since 2012? how can we stop limping into finals?

 

[The King!]

Few have mentioned that we "limped" into a GF but that seems to be the case since 2012? how can we stop limping into finals?

We didnt limp in this year

 

[S120]

I've just watched the last quarter up until they blow us away. Mentally preparing myself for the last 7 minutes.


But the players threw everything at that. Absolutely everything. Parker clearly can't run properly but is still throwing himself in everything. Even Gary Rohan is going hell for leather, even if it's not working for him.

Smith has a couple of awful kicks. Likewise Papley. Tippett just looks completely off the pace.

But they had a crack.

Heeney just huge. Jones likewise. And Papley is everywhere, forward and back If he could kick/not burn Kennedy, it would've been some quarter.

Glad you mentioned Papley because he was one in particular who stood out in the final quarter who was absolutely ferocious in trying to get us back into it. His attack at the ball and man was fantastic. Burned Kennedy badly though and that will stick with him I imagine.

Incidentally I've never seen JPK roast anyone like that and I've never seen Kennedy as emotional in the course of a game or immediately after a game - he gave absolutely everything he had.

 

[The King!]

Papley gave his all, just didnt get that little bit of luck

He had that almost goal, cant remember the quarter, early i think in the second, would have changed his day

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

We didnt limp in this year

Well we limped into a GF or did we?

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Papley gave his all, just didnt get that little bit of luck

He had that almost goal, cant remember the quarter, early i think in the second, would have changed his day

Couple of panic kicks as well but still had a great final series.

 

[SilentHunter_]

Limp in my ******* arse, a bit of fair umpiring and 100% we'd all be here congratulating the club on an unprecedented flag.

 

[The King!]

Well we limped into a GF or did we?

We would of won if not for the fix

 

[The King!]

Limp in my ******* arse, a bit of fair umpiring and 100% we'd all be here congratulating the club on an unprecedented flag.

Yep even just one quarter of fair umpiring

 

[swansfan51]

Few have mentioned that we "limped" into a GF but that seems to be the case since 2012? how can we stop limping into finals?

We had 40 of the 45 players on our list available for the Grand Final. Only one of the missing 5 had played more than 1 senior game all year, so unavailable players are absolutely zero excuse.

And as for the inevitable "but players were carrying injuries" follow-up:

1) players from every team are carrying injuries in finals
2) if we had depth (which we would have, with 40 players available) then we could have picked fitter ones

 

[RW]

Jake Niall: "They had a profile of a team that you wouldn't see in a grand final normally."

swansfan51 I think people are reading your List Management 101 thread!

 

[JD Tomahawk]

Just finished watching the game again. I will say most of the free kicks were there but the dogs did get a few cheap frees, especially the free to Clay Smith that was disgusting. Your forward line sucked though. Heath Grundy should have won the Norm Smith! His game was epic