Grant Thomas tells us how it is.

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:)IRRELEVANT.

What...you've never heard Wallace refer to Richo? JB? Johno? Browny?
Pagan never ever referred to his key forwards as Duck and Horse?
Did Sheeds not refer to "Hirdy's" last game in Melbourne being played against Richmond?
Lethal Leigh or Rocket never refer to Aker?
Matthews calling his gun player "Browny"?
You sure Bomber never calls the red headed bloke Lingy?

THEY ALL DO IT!!!!!

Don't know if it warrants all the CAPITALS and exclamation marks!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I should qualify - I've seen Darren Gaspar kick goals, but nowhere near as many times as I've seen Richo do it.

Don't think I've heard Wallace say JB or Johno, but he may have once or twice - certainly not the norm. Even Brown and Richardson, two massive characters in the game, he will as often as not refer to as "Nathan" and "Matthew".
 

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Dude, if you havent noticed, it wasnt about getting something out of players .It was all about telling them how it is.
Telling players how it is, is the SAME as trying to get something out of them.
You're splitting hairs and not understanding what you are saying.
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Don't know if it warrants all the CAPITALS and exclamation marks!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I should qualify - I've seen Darren Gaspar kick goals, but nowhere near as many times as I've seen Richo do it.

Don't think I've heard Wallace say JB or Johno, but he may have once or twice - certainly not the norm. Even Brown and Richardson, two massive characters in the game, he will as often as not refer to as "Nathan" and "Matthew".
maybe it is just me, but I don't see the relevance in calling someone by their nickname .... don't forget they are just playing football !!

regarding tanking ... hmm in
2001 (when he took over caretaker coach) 4 wins
2002 - 15th - 5 wins
2003 - 11th - 11 wins
2004 - prelim
2005 - prelim
2006 - elimination final

I would say most coaches are given a year to implement changes etc ... so considering that in 2002 we won 1 more game than previous year, and in 2003 we won more than 2001 & 2002 put together ... can't see how you claim we tanked.
 

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Yet The Duck directed his spray at the Senior players exactly what Terry did 2 days beforehand.Hardly earth shattering stuff by Carey
Maybe not to you, but as Carey said, why is the media shielding Wallace?
1 win, 1 poxy draw and everyone seems content because "next year" we will be better. Good on Carey for saying it
 
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Maybe not to you, but as Carey said, why is the media shielding Wallace?
1 win, 1 poxy draw and everyone seems content because "next year" we will be better. Good on Carey for saying it

they are not shielding wallace, they know they are flogging a dead horse by putting the torch on him at-this-point-in-time bc WE WILL NOT SACK HIM AND PAY OUT 1.3 MILL.

The media set the agendas in football and they know this one should be put on the burner for 12 months until its ripe. Right now they wont get the story they're hoping for (ie bloodshed) bc again, the RFC will not payout that type of money.


Isn't Carey the same fool that was calling for laidley to be sacked after round 1and replaced by horse Longmire? rofl talk about egg on face
 

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Carey has been into Wallis all year he has been trying to divert attention from his mate Pagan. It started with Laidley and now they have sacked Pagan and Carlton are showing some fight hes onto Wallis again.

Great footballer does not equal great thinker.

The reason Wallis has missed the media spot light is that when you analyse what he has done over the last 3 years a poor year was inevitable, we have 25 different players then we did at the end of season 2004. We will get better bigger more skillful and stronger over the comeing years and the large number of young players we have will blossom into a pretty good team.

So screw you Carey you hack media puppet
 

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Wallace ain't the first coach to get an outsider to speak to the players and he won't be the last.

Those bagging this, as meaning that Wallace somehow can't speak to the players himself, should get your collective hands off it.

It was stated in the article that the reason Thomas was invited was that he was at StKilda when they were in a similar position to our current one. They at least managed to drag thmeselves up into finals action. At least there was some logic in it.
 

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Wallace ain't the first coach to get an outsider to speak to the players and he won't be the last.

Those bagging this, as meaning that Wallace somehow can't speak to the players himself, should get your collective hands off it.

It was stated in the article that the reason Thomas was invited was that he was at StKilda when they were in a similar position to our current one. They at least managed to drag thmeselves up into finals action. At least there was some logic in it.
as opposed to getting the bus to come from Ballarat. ;)
 

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So we need Grant Thomas to tell us how it is? Terry Wallace and none of the coach staff are able to do that? So are the coaching staff just pumping all the players up and telling them how good they are and how good they look when they get the ball?
I don't mind getting someone in to speak to the players but try and do it yourself first before you get someone else to do it.

Ask Gaspar, Kellaway and the twenty or so others who've been axed if Wallace is capable of being brutally honest with the players.

As for why, well it never hurts to have someone else who has been there and done that come in and back up your opinion - quite possibly a bit more ruthlessly and with zero sugar coating. As a senior coach, it can be difficult at times to walk the line between positive reinforcement, motivation and just outright telling a player he's gutless and useless.
 

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Duck is a d1ck when comes to spraying clubs. Only a few months back he was publicly and privately shafting Laidley at his old club(or one of his old clubs :eek:).

Carey cares for himself, no-one else.
 

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Perhaps Thomas can assist Wallace in outting himself, like Thomas did to Blight and tried to do to Pagan at North. :eek:

Wallace want's out. That's a fact.
Gee you talk crap! If Wallace wanted out he could simply resign.

Where do you get your ideas from?:confused:

Sometimes a message can have more impact if it comes from someone different. Wallace is trying to get a message through to the players, he is trying to show them the light at the end of the tunnel and what it took for St Kilda to get there. Show the players that there is a future at the RFC.

That's not a sign that he wants out, it's a sign of a coach trying a different approach to get through to his players.
 

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For all of Grant Thomas' faults, I reckon he's a great coach and can get the best out of the playing group. He proved this at stkilda. Players like montagna, gram, fisher, all flourished under thomas. Forget about the spat he had with butterrs. A lot of saints fans weren't happy when thomas was given the flick. And he's a brilliant media performer too.

So wrong its not funny... shithouse coach that will go down as one of the most under-achieved in history. The list they had and didnt even make a granny, let alone win won.
 

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Grant Thomas would be a great addition to our coaching panel. He's sensational with the kids and would do a lot better than some of the peanut coaches we have right now.
I watched the Saints pretty closely while he was there. He's one of the WORST head coaches I've ever seen. Makes the worst football decisions.

- He doesn't rate tap ruckman. So he fired all of theirs and they got smashed out of the midfield for the next year and half.

- He puts players in the worst positions. eg: Xavier Clarke in the backline when he was dominating across half forward.

- All of his draft choices/trades were duds.
Reiwoldt/Dal Santo/Ball were all previous coach. Gherig? Blight.

2002
1. Goddard - Good.
22. Matthew Ferguson - Dud.
46. Leigh Fisher - Loose man.
68. James Begley - Dud.

2003
Stephen Powell (Melb) - Dud.
8. Raph Clarke - Dud.
55. Sam Fisher - Useful
65. Craig Callahan - Dud.

2004
17. Andrew McQualter - Dud.
33. Cain Ackland - lol Dud.
63. James Gwift - Dud.
Traded Heath Black for Aaron Fiora. lol.

2005 - 2006
I'm not even going to bother. They're all untried/duds.

- He has NO game plan. His tactics are to go out there and play hard. If they're losing he yells at people to play harder. Thats his solution. I remember the whole team was playing shit, except for Reiwoldt. So what did he do at 3QTR time? Went straight upto Rewioldt and demanded more from the only bloke who was actually contributing.

What did Ross Lyon do when he became coach? Recruited tap ruckmen, put players in their proper positions and installed some sort of actual game plan.

The only success St. Kilda ever had was off the back of the extremely talented young list they had when he took over. From then on the side went down hill.

I don't want him at Richmond. He's an absolute dud.
 

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Yet The Duck directed his spray at the Senior players exactly what Terry did 2 days beforehand.Hardly earth shattering stuff by Carey
Exactly, and we have to remember that guys like Carey and Lyon are trying to forge careers out of being 'outspoken' and 'controversial'. Shehan is a clasic example.
But criticsm coming from Lyon is a laugh, as he was a soft forward who never tasted success, and hasn't had the guts to put himself forward for a real coaching job (remember the tragic international rules coaching disaster?). He has never thought to analyse his own failures, but he thinks himself qualified to talk tough about everyone else who are easy targets.
Carey is another who admittedly has been a footballing champion, but is a flawed human being. I look at people like that as having no credibility, and not deserving respect. He nearly brought down a battling but proud club like North with his selfish and dog-like act, and thank god the club had the guts to banish him, because it saved their spirit. After doing something like that, he then tries to destablise the club further by calling for the sacking of the 'junk-yard dog', who has fortunately turned things around and made carey look like the fool he is.
People like these are poison, and not worth paying attention to.
 

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Do you think Grant Thomas was secretly auditioning for the Richmond coaching job? After all, if Terry Wallace (and Greg Miller) can't tell the players how to perform and where they're going wrong this year, who can?
 
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