Greatest divers

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

It would have to be Harry (Mathew Lloyd) Highpants who was the most exquisite diver in the game. he got a dream run from umprires even when elbowing/headbutting/charging opponents in the later stages of his career. I think Paul Roos had him as a protected species.

I would rate Marc Murphy as the new king of spring board. The way he fell last year after Scahmmer threatened to hit him is a classic and would be the subject of a fair bit of discussion next time they play.

Other standouts are Brad Johnson, Milne, Medhurst. Dockers to take to the form were Jeff Farmer and Peter Bell. Belly used to wear a fair few real belts around the head, particularly given his size. But, he wasn't averse to "earning" himself a free kick either.

 

[The Matt]

Steve Johnson of the Cats, does some brilliant work but I lose a lot of respect for him when he takes a dive. Gotta laugh every time I see the footage of him when the cats trainer tries to straighten his broken nose. If you go and look at how he broke his nose, it was throwing himself forward in the goal square to "earn" a free kick and he didn't get his hands up in time and landed on his face. Needless to say he didn't get the free.

 

[theGav56]

Farmer was a standout. But the thing with him was that he seemed to be at the wrong end of an Effort Going Into Diving Versus Free Kick For Effort continuum. And it wasn't because he wasn't good at it. It was simply that the umpires wanted him to improve his diving exponentially before they gave him the carrot. Teach himself a new trick before any reward, not the same-old same-old. They do the same thing with dolphins.

 

[salim malik]

Farmer was a standout. But the thing with him was that he seemed to be at the wrong end of an Effort Going Into Diving Versus Free Kick For Effort continuum. And it wasn't because he wasn't good at it. It was simply that the umpires wanted him to improve his diving exponentially before they gave him the carrot. Teach himself a new trick before any reward, not the same-old same-old. They do the same thing with dolphins.

I know the magic mushies are top notch in Bali but what the **ck

 

[Nodgey]

I think diving is a common trait amongst small forwards. And Jeff was no worse than anyone else.

Milne, Didak, Johnson they all do it. In fact, I've probably seen hundreds of AFL payers do it in the last season or so. Though obviously, some do it more than others... (Which, I guess, is what this thread is all about.)

Just like soccer, the AFL is big bikkies and every goal is vital - so it's only natural that players will resort to any means possible to "earn" a cheap kick.

I don't see much difference between a footy player exagerating a shirt pull, or a cricketer appealing ferociously when the ball clips a batsmen's pads.

In both games it's up the umpire to form an opinion and make a decision. If AFL umps are getting duped too much, then it's the umps that need fixing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like diving in Aussie Rules at all, but I just can't see this rule working. Seems to me to be just another rule the umps will manage to stuff up. Like the "deliberate" rule.

 

[Lach72]

So enquiring about the diametrically opposed modding on this board is somehow considered an exacting standard by yourself? Or should I wipe off the dripping sarcasm and just read your post as a f*** off I'll do this job as I see fit?

I would have that that having the merest semblence of modding consistency would be a good thing.

You're whining not enquiring.
You'd think it would be obvious that people will mod differently? And you're having a crack as this clown hasn't been carded yet, and I told you.

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

You're whining not enquiring.
You'd think it would be obvious that people will mod differently? And you're having a crack as this clown hasn't been carded yet, and I told you.

I'm not saying that mods should be clones at all.
What i am saying is that, on this board at least, the modding styles are SO different that any consistency at all is non existent.
How is that fair on newbies? Actually, how is that fair on anyone?

Call it a whine, call it a bitch or call it a duck if you like. I couldn't care less.

And don't worry, I will drop the subject as it seems that criticism is not the done thing around here.

 

[Lach72]

I'm not saying that mods should be clones at all.
What i am saying is that, on this board at least, the modding styles are SO different that any consistency at all is non existent.
How is that fair on newbies? Actually, how is that fair on anyone?

Call it a whine, call it a bitch or call it a duck if you like. I couldn't care less.

And don't worry, I will drop the subject as it seems that criticism is not the done thing around here.

You're right. It's hard to work out not to abuse people in a gardening thread.

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

You're right. It's hard to work out not to abuse people in a gardening thread.

You brought that up, not me.

I'm just asking for some clarification on the inconsistency here.
I am assuming that Sabre would have had a chat and given a warning for what was essentially a pisstake on a sub-board. And then deleted the post.
(And FYI, every bit of gardening info that I posted was 100% correct), yet you throw around a weeks holiday...and then leave an eagles troll who entered the thread totally unscathed.
A fanboi from the rdt perhaps?

Just like how Sabre leaves the eagle troll in this thread, yet you are going to card him when you can.

All I am asking for is consistency, but it seems that constructive criticism is against the rules.

 

[Lach72]

You brought that up, not me.

I'm just asking for some clarification on the inconsistency here.
I am assuming that Sabre would have had a chat and given a warning for what was essentially a pisstake on a sub-board. And then deleted the post.
(And FYI, every bit of gardening info that I posted was 100% correct), yet you throw around a weeks holiday...and then leave an eagles troll who entered the thread totally unscathed.
A fanboi from the rdt perhaps?

Just like how Sabre leaves the eagle troll in this thread, yet you are going to card him when you can.

All I am asking for is consistency, but it seems that constructive criticism is against the rules.

It's not against any rules. You've been given an explanation but don't accept it. Life's tough.

 

[Seb78]

God knows what hallucinations you imagine after imbibing Dr W's latest performance enhancing snake-oil, what's imaginary is the contact that Fabio and his teammates claimed.

Where oh where in this video does Lucas infringe Grossguts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6Wqt00gTc

The infringement was right in front of you. There is a thing call obstruction in soccer, which is exactly what Lucas Neil did. You cannot throw yourself in front of a player and obstruct his path to the ball. You clearly see Neil come in for the slide tackle and you also see him clearly miss the ball, no problem with coming in for the tackle however instead of sliding through you see him throw his elbows back and uses his body to block Grosso from moving forward. Had this happened outside the penalty box it would have been a free kick every day of the week, unfortunately for Neil it happened in the penalty box.

Q. What is a free kick inside the penalty box?
A. A penalty

Deal with it guys it was 4 years ago now

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

It's not against any rules. You've been given an explanation but don't accept it. Life's tough.

Yeah, you really addressed the issue i raised.
Just forget about it.

But here's something for nothing.
The brother in law gave me two lists of BF posters when I signed up.
One is of people who are fair, decent and trustworthy.
And the other is ...well you know what the other list is about.

Keyser heads one list and you head the other.

It seems that he is quite the judge of character.

 

[sabre_ac]

So enquiring about the diametrically opposed modding on this board is somehow considered an exacting standard by yourself? Or should I wipe off the dripping sarcasm and just read your post as a f*** off I'll do this job as I see fit?

I would have that that having the merest semblence of modding consistency would be a good thing.

Modding is editing/deleting posts and infracting users, the team mods are also encouraged to stimulate discussion. Allot of our regulars have left other sites because they didn't believe they were given the opportunity to voice what they really thought about the club, you have to cater to that type.

All moderators are posters as well and your on a discussion forum where people post opinions, if you wish to only hear your own voice I suggest you start a blog.

 

[theGav56]

I know the magic mushies are top notch in Bali but what the **ck

Clearly you seem to. I wouldn't know, but I have heard that's true.

 

[salim malik]

Clearly you seem to. I wouldn't know, but I have heard that's true.

Try them Gav it might improve your posts

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

Modding is editing/deleting posts and infracting users, the team mods are also encouraged to stimulate discussion. Allot of our regulars have left other sites because they didn't believe they were given the opportunity to voice what they really thought about the club, you have to cater to that type.

All moderators are posters as well and your on a discussion forum where people post opinions, if you wish to only hear your own voice I suggest you start a blog.

Well, how about you do some "modding" on the Eagle troll in THIS thread!

I am not trying to only have MY voice heard at all.
If you read what I posted, you will see that I am questioning the diametrically opposed styles of modding between yourself and Lach72.

I am questioning the inherent lack of consistency and the impact that this has on the board.

 

[Lach72]

Yeah, you really addressed the issue i raised.
Just forget about it.

But here's something for nothing.
The brother in law gave me two lists of BF posters when I signed up.
One is of people who are fair, decent and trustworthy.
And the other is ...well you know what the other list is about.

Keyser heads one list and you head the other.

It seems that he is quite the judge of character.

Your brother in law huh? A list you say?

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

Yes. My brother in law. If you think otherwise, that's up to you. However, I can assure you that you are wrong.
And two lists actually.

Not that it matters at all.
I just felt the need to put it out there.
No doubt it will be put in your little black book and, at the first opportunity, you will give me a holiday.

Which would be a pity, as the original premise of my argument stands unchallenged.

 

[Keys]

Keyser heads one list and you head the other.

Bet I'm on the wrong list

 

[theGav56]

Try them Gav it might improve your posts

You mean yours were worse before? You seem to have very little interest in the post and prefer to criticise other posters (me). Sort of like gravy's little lost brother; I seem to have picked up a second personal troll, though one lacking in originality as he does. Must be the drugs.

 

[Nodgey]

... anyway, back on the subject of diving.....


Did anyone else watch the Freo/Adelaide game last night? In the last 5 mins of that game I saw Crowley exagerate a shirt tug and get a free kick, then both Belly AND Solly each unsuccessfully tried to milk a 50.

We have to accept that "diving" or staging or "simulation" or whatever you want to call it, is part of our game and we're just gonna have to learn to deal with it.

IMHO approximately 100% of players do it (to some degree or another), but I can see a very small minority of players being unfairly labeled as "cheats" for the rest of their careers.

Just another of Demetriou's poorly thought out stupid ideas IMO.

 

[estibador]

Did anyone else watch the Freo/Adelaide game last night? In the last 5 mins of that game I saw Crowley exagerate a shirt tug and get a free kick, then both Belly AND Solly each unsuccessfully tried to milk a 50.

Man did I cringe when Belly threw himself to the ground after that mark. That's exactly the sort of thing the AFL should be handing out fines for. Embarrassing behaviour.

The Solly one on the other hand wasn't so bad. It was genuine contact and he had to turn himself to the side and go with it to protect himself. Not worth 50 but not worth a fine either.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Worst divers

phil matera
jeff farmer
paul medhurst
alan didak
gavin wanganeen
kevin bartlett
matthew lloyd

guys who never seemed to be worried about getting cheap free kicks

glen archer
dean solomon (imo)
john worsfold
leigh colbert
nathan bourke
and from what i have seen in his 1 year stephen hill (love everything about that kid)

i think the most notable thing here is that it tends to accompany the forwards more. personally i hate diving, players should be more worried about winning the ball fairly than trying to win a dodgy free kick. it can sometimes back fire as well, i mean how many free kick did jeffrey get towards the end of his career? i reckon didak in particular is going to be in the same boat, that he dives so regularly the umpires will tend towards thinking he is faking... this fining system by the afl is a good thing i think... and id even give repeat offenders a week off if they continued to do it.

 

[GeorgeGrljusich]

Glad someone else mentioned medders KPR.

Man, he used to drive me insane with his staging, diving and whinging.
Something that MM seems to have driven out of him.
I can't help but wonder if Harvey, given the time and the authority, would/could have done the same.

 

[Keys]

i think the most notable thing here is that it tends to accompany the forwards more. personally i hate diving, players should be more worried about winning the ball fairly than trying to win a dodgy free kick. it can sometimes back fire as well, i mean how many free kick did jeffrey get towards the end of his career? i reckon didak in particular is going to be in the same boat, that he dives so regularly the umpires will tend towards thinking he is faking... this fining system by the afl is a good thing i think... and id even give repeat offenders a week off if they continued to do it.

There's a greater reward from diving for forwards and less downside.

A forward dives and usually ends up with a shot at goal if he successfully cons the umpire. If he misses out maybe the defender clears the ball or the ball goes out of bounds / gets tied up for a ball-up.

A defender potentailly concedes a goal if he loses his feet and goes to ground, all in order to get a free kick from inside his defensive 50. For that reason you don't often see mids staging for free kicks in their back half either