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Problem is, these blood sucking bastards control the known world now through the central banks and financial system.
There is no way out, unless the whole system collapses, unless the uprising is global, unless they are all lynched.
Soldiers may refuse, but they now have private military companies..paid mercenaries who will do whatever, whenever, to whomever, in exchange for being well paid. Their loyalty is not to a nation and it's people, but to their bank accounts.
There was a story not long ago that the corrupt bastard politicians in Greece had an agreement with BlackWater or whatever they call them selves now, to provide "security" in Greece for the government.
Go back further in the crisis when Papandreou was in power, all of a sudden the chiefs of staff of the armed forces were replaced over night. At the time many said it was to avert a military coup.
And the chief of the army before that, who was the longest serving ever, was removed without reason suddenly.
There is no way out, unless the whole system collapses, unless the uprising is global, unless they are all lynched.
Soldiers may refuse, but they now have private military companies..paid mercenaries who will do whatever, whenever, to whomever, in exchange for being well paid. Their loyalty is not to a nation and it's people, but to their bank accounts.
There was a story not long ago that the corrupt bastard politicians in Greece had an agreement with BlackWater or whatever they call them selves now, to provide "security" in Greece for the government.
Go back further in the crisis when Papandreou was in power, all of a sudden the chiefs of staff of the armed forces were replaced over night. At the time many said it was to avert a military coup.
And the chief of the army before that, who was the longest serving ever, was removed without reason suddenly.
There's an old Greek saying..
Better one hour of freedom then forty years of slavery.
We've been fighting off foreign invaders for 6,000 years. This time wont be any different.
It's just a matter of time before the fuse is lit.
Besides, nobody should be surprised by whats happening(in general with Greece not just economically)..just ask old Henry.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6c2f2a-28f3-11e5-960f-22c4ba982ed4_story.html
no wonder they signed up, not only threatened with financial collapse but the security of the country as well
no wonder they signed up, not only threatened with financial collapse but the security of the country as well
Better to die abruptly and quickly and re build after than to have a drawn out death without any hope of recovery in sight.
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So its an economic coup coupled with the surrender of national sovereignty all in the name of failed austerity.
Like I've been saying, there's various tools that they use. As my previous post also said, ask old Henry what it's all about. He said it in plain English what "they" should do to Greece. And it's all been happening and happening now.
I believe I also mentioned the neighboring nations(may have been here, or somewhere else), as a tool that will be used to threaten a Greek government into compliance with.
In the face of such threats to the nation, it would take a very bold and brave man to stand up to them.
On the one hand, you are faced with economic enslavement for generations to come.
On the other hand, those threatening you with economic enslavement, are threatening to give your neighbor and foe the green light to attack you.
Now, the fact that Tsipras has capitulated in the face of such threats is a disgrace and the bastard should be hung.
Why? Because this isn't the first time Greece has faced such threats.
Mussolini tried a similar thing..he got his answer, and then got humiliated as his forces were driven all the way back through Albania.
Metaxas among others would be rolling in their graves right about now at the state of affairs in Greece.
I can understand they want the banks open etc and to stay in the eu but at what long term cost? Or at any cost? I believe modernising the Greek economy will help a bit but I don't see any long term improvement for the Greek economy for a generation
Because you aren't looking at it from a big picture, a big European picture perspective..you are looking at it from a single country, or countries perspective.
The whole aim of this cruel and humiliating treatment of Greece, is to send a message to the rest that Germany is and will be top dog, and for everyone to fall into line.
Why do you think the French and Italians are playing a game of walk the tight rope while trying to side with Greece without pissing off the rest of Europe?
Because they know what this is all about and what the bottom line is. And importantly, whose next.
The Germans want a united Europe under their rule.
The rest of Europe wants a united Europe as well, but a united Europe on equality, democracy and balance.
This is about the Germans smashing that resistance and sending a message in the process.
But things are going to explode before that happens and the EU project, in it's current form, will be undeniably a failed project.
don't trust the imf bearing gifts
I find it staggering that 70 percent of the Greeks want these measures to go through.
Staying in government will be the least of their worries if Syriza and the rest of the political establishment keep going the way they are.
They don't.
The polls are manipulated and at times out right lies.
Believe very little of what you hear and see, especially coming out Greek media these days more so then ever before.
Greek media like in most countries is owned by a small group of individuals, who also have interests and control other things as well. They all have political connections and are part of political circles, both inside their country and outside.
Syriza isn't an anomaly that rose to power because people are fed up.
Golden Dawn isn't a far right party that rose to power because Greeks are becoming more intolerant towards others.
These parties, these ideologies, are being used, and have been used, to manipulate the people and blind them, and keep them blind from the real enemies of the people, and from what's really going on.
While Greeks have been busy fighting over PASOK and ND, or Golden Dawn or Syriza now, those who've created these groups and forced these ideologies on the nation have been busy selling it out and doing every treacherous thing you can imagine. The day the people truly wake up...
I heard Germany doesn't want to kick out Greece due to oil in the agean sea are we ever gonna a see a Greece with out debts
As long as the current political class keep ruling, nope, and the answer to the energy resources is that they will not benefit Greece as the profits will go to foreign multi-national globalist corporations.
This stuff is part of the big picture, and it's part of what's been used to put Greece and Turkey against each other.
one thing we know that with out tourism greece will be stuffed more
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who wanted those large 8 lane shiny highways build from the resorts to the airports? my guess is it was not the poor greeks
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NATIONS THAT PROSPERED WITH DEBT FREE MONEYCOMMONWEALTH BANK OF AUSTRALIA 1911-1924 Australia had a quality debt free money system from 1911 to 1924. The newly created Commonwealth Bank issued debt-free-money which was spent into society. It built the Trans-Australia Railway at no cost to the people. Australia had the highest standard of living in the world. It was a golden age for Australia. It was undermined by private bankers in 1924. A money shortage followed and the depression started. Australia was brought to it's knees and has been there ever since. Foreigners now own most of our debt.
GENGHIS KHAN His massive empire was made easier with gunpowder but the killer app was debt-free-money. It was popular with the people and people prospered and we started wearing trousers. His empire was brought down by the plague.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN created debt-free Greenbacks. He got shot in the head.
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN did it with his debt-free 'Colonial Script'. He didn't get himself shot.
JULIUS CAESAR created debt-free-money which he spent into society building infrastructure and canals for the benefit of society. He was very popular. He got assassinated.
NAPOLEON BONAPARTE organised debt-free-money for France which was spent into society. France became a powerful nation. Too powerful for her neighbours who had debt-based-money. He got flattened.
GERMANY created interest-and-debt-free-money during the hyper-inflation. It was a success and Germany turned from a basket case to a strong and prosperous nation in 5 years, again too powerful for its neighbours. Germany was reduced to rubble. Many still believe the propaganda.
KING HENRY THE FIRST 1100AD set up debt-free-money with the tally stick system. This system lasted seven hundred years. Tally sticks were spent into society and taxed back out of society. England had no National-Debt. National-Debt arrived when private banks took over the money supply.
WÖRGL IN AUSTRIA 1932 created a local debt-free-money in 1932 during the great depression. It was massively successful. This was copied in many cities across Austria and Germany. The successful local money was banned in favour of the private Central Bank monopoly on issuing money. This monopoly continues today and we consider it 'normal'. It is not normal.
LIBYA created interest-and-debt-free-money and became the wealthiest nation in Africa with generous benefits for the people. Libya tried to lift Africa by creating the Pan African dollar backed by Libyan gold. But Libya was attacked by NATO and the west and Gaddafi got himself killed. I wonder where his gold went.
LULA IN BRAZIL Factory worker and union leader, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva became president of Brazil in 2002. Brazil had been the most indebted nation in the world. It could not pay the interest on it's debt. Forty six million people were living on less than $1 per day. It had foreign banks. He implemented government programs for health, education, work, food, rural development and infrastructure projects. Lula transformed the government owned National Development Bank (BNDES) into a key driver of economic growth with debt-free-money. Brazil’s recovery was aided by a Government Savings Bank as state-run mortgage lender. About twelve million new jobs were created. About twenty million Brazilians were lifted out of absolute poverty. The economy has surged. Interestingly the western press still writes ill of him. Lula even reversed some of the privatisations carried out by the previous government, under which many large and viable state companies were sold for peanuts to multinationals.
THE SARACEN EMPIRE supposedly forbade interest on money for one thousand years, and its wealth outshone Saxon Europe.
GUERNSEY CHANNEL ISLANDS created its own money at no cost to the people in 1818. Guernsey changed from an impoverished nation to a prosperous community free of debt. Income tax is 20%. There is no VAT, GST, inheritance tax or capital gains tax and the National-Debt is zero.
http://www.moredebtthanmoney.com.au/
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lol, clueless.
Australia experienced a corresponding rate of inflation due to that printing of money. you know who suffer the most from inflation? "the people". it wasn't "undermined" by anything, it was a short-term spending spree primarily to fund the first world war.
go to school.
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it should be noted you ******* twit, that just about every country can issue "debt free money" via its central bank (EU excluded). wanna guess why they don't do this? go visit Zimbabwe you uneducated *.
Greece needed better transport infrastructure, that's not in question.
Part of the EU's plan was to build a network of highways across Europe all linked to each other. In terms of freight it's a great idea as a lot of freight/goods in Europe is transported across national borders by trucks(no surprise).
Greece's debt problem isn't because it upgraded it's transport infrastructure. These are and were necessary infrastructure projects that create jobs and stimulate an economy.
Greece's debt problem was because a sociliast commie like welfare state was created, where the private sector was contained and marginalized and prevented from prospering.
People say Greeks are lazy should work more etc etc. Greek's actually work some of the longest hours in Europe and the world. That isn't reflected in the state of the economy though because of all the other problems. Greek's could work on average 80 hours instead of 40 or 42, and there wouldn't be much difference to the overall impact on the national economy and the states finances.
They strangled the private sector. They prevented it from expanding and prospering. If they didn't, there would be many industries in Greece and hundreds of thousands more people employed and jobs available. But even now, they are still not doing anything to allow the private sector to grow and flourish.
IF there were few obstacles in the way of the private sector, the crisis wouldn't have even happened, and all it would be would be a few reforms being necessary, and it wouldn't be dominating global news.
What Greece doesn't need is more spending cuts. There's almost * all left to cut anyway.
What Greece needs is red tape and over regulation to be not just cut, but smashed into itty bitty tiny pieces so the private sector can flourish.
If the private sector flourishes, it will create jobs and new industries and existing industries will grow bigger.
With more people working, with more businesses operating, with less reliance on the government, and with a few more reforms to the taxation system, Greece will return to growth sooner rather then later as it will now with the new deal of more debt in exchange for spending cuts.
The problems, the symptoms are known. The causes known. Those responsible known.
The medicine and cure is also well known.
The problem now is political.
Germany and their cu** kindrids up north aren't interested in doing the logical, sensible obvious things to fix this crisis..things that should have been done years ago. What they are interested in now, the Germans that is, is punishing Greece, sending a message to the other southerners, and asserting the fourth reichs domination on Europe.
Do you really have to be so abusive every time someone says something you disagree with?
