Greg Inglis

[morebeer]

Re: Essendon meets with Greg Inglis

anf, are you sure that is actually correct? He would be totally outside the salary cap? I understand that he can be recruited outside the draft, like Meli, but the salary cap is different I thought.

From what I have read, even Hunt and Folau will be partly under their caps, the equivalent of an average AFL salary, so I guess about 300k. The remainder comes from the AFL as a 'marketing' allowance.

So would GI get the same marketing allowance from the AFL or is that just for the northern states?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Re: Essendon meets with Greg Inglis

Question is, why would he come to Essendon instead of the other Victorian clubs with better facilities? He won't, simple.

Which is why there has to be a firm proposal signed off on by all relevant parties before Trade Week. It simply has to happen.

 

[Beijing Bomber]

Re: Essendon meets with Greg Inglis

The guy is an absolute freak. Not many people in the world with his speed, strength, ball handling skills and big game experience. If he doesn't come under the salary cap you would have to have your head read not taking a punt on teaching him how to punt.

Don't get hopes up too high though, I reckon he is just foxing for a nice cushy news ltd contract now the storm are gawn. Can't see NRL letting him go too easy, esp after the recent departures. It would be the bigger coup than the other two together.

Not convinced check his highlight package
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_mv9ErPT1c&feature=fvw

 

[anf06]

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anf, are you sure that is actually correct? He would be totally outside the salary cap? I understand that he can be recruited outside the draft, like Meli, but the salary cap is different I thought.

From what I have read, even Hunt and Folau will be partly under their caps, the equivalent of an average AFL salary, so I guess about 300k. The remainder comes from the AFL as a 'marketing' allowance.

So would GI get the same marketing allowance from the AFL or is that just for the northern states?

IIRC.
I am of the belief that if a player has not been a part of football for 3 years at any level then they are able to be taken outside the salary cap.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Re: Essendon meets with Greg Inglis

IIRC.
I am of the belief that if a player has not been a part of football for 3 years at any level then they are able to be taken outside the salary cap.

That's my understanding (/Hutchy) too, but why then are Hunt and Folau inside the cap?

 

[Kong]

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I don't care for either code of Rugby, but I have seen a few States of Origin, and one of my brothers follows it a bit.

I always thought Inglis was the golden child of the NRL, until Folaou came along?

I had it in my head Inglis was at the level of say Jimmy Bartel, whereas Folaou was your Chris Judd/Gary Ablett.

Have I got it the other way around, or is this just a matter of opinion?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

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Slater, Inglis and Hayne are your Riewoldt, Judd, Brown, Ablett tier - the best.

Folau is more like Buddy as a brilliant athlete even more than a brilliant footballer (and that's no slight on their footy/rugby abilities).

Hunt is a couple of notches down, below the Hayes, Goddard, Hodge level, in the Selwood level.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

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Why not target union players? I always thought that the most talented locks would make great ruckmen and many wingers would be quite handy.

For example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andries_Bekker

[YOUTUBE]m8Veeft-L7I[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Kong]

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[strike]But Hodge is better than Judd!![/strike]

[strike]So who's at the level of Cyril?[/strike]

Ah, cool. Cheers.

Yeah some of the footage I've seen of Folau is freakish; Buddy-like, even.

 

[SirJimi05]

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I don't care for either code of Rugby, but I have seen a few States of Origin, and one of my brothers follows it a bit.

I always thought Inglis was the golden child of the NRL, until Folaou came along?

I had it in my head Inglis was at the level of say Jimmy Bartel, whereas Folaou was your Chris Judd/Gary Ablett.

Have I got it the other way around, or is this just a matter of opinion?

Inglis is a far better footballer then Issy. Inglis is a freak and his skills are far better. Inglis is far far more versaile and is the best player in the world (imo).

This is what Call Me Cake is not getting. This is not a marketing ploy by Essendon. Hecould actually makeit as an AFL player where as Issy and Hunt can't even kick properly.

I'm not sure if there is any footage out there but those that have seen him kick an AFL football (including AFL players) reckon he is a natural and a very competantkick of the football.

If you combine his skill set with his blistering pace, strength,and athletic ability, i reckon the chances are good. The problemwith Issy and Hunt is that they are going to spend years just trying to get their skills ups to AFL standard.

Just imagine a 195cm KP size player bolting through the middle of Etihad, burning off the midfielders as he goes, palming two or three off with his trademark "don't argue" along the way. This is the sort of prospect we have on our hands.

 

[SirJimi05]

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Why not target union players? I always thought that the most talented locks would make great ruckmen and many wingers would be quite handy.

For example
http://

Rugby players are on better coin than League players and would therefore be harder to attract.

 

[stugots]

Re: Essendon meets with Greg Inglis

crazy not to give such a talent a go if the chance arises & heres hoping it does

doubt if there a club in the league that isnt sounding out such prospects at the moment as most will loose an existing player shortly & if the afl's offering up a way for clubs to obtain nrl (or other) talent on the cheap, why not go for it

 

[Beijing Bomber]

Re: Essendon meets with Greg Inglis

get the contract ready
[youtube]i2ZK4eNcZ-0[/youtube]

 

[Jonesy10]

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^^ Ha yeah, loved that kick. Seen a few videos of him smashing through a few tackles too. Seems very worth the risk if we get him on the cheap.

Ian Robson was on SEN today discussing Inglis. He said he's had conversations on the phone with Inglis' manager, and I think he said that they met in person today. Although he was pretty quick to say that it's really nothing yet. He didn't really say too much revealing, except that the talks have stopped and they've left Inglis with the decision, saying "he knows where we are". Also said that they've discussed it with the football department and Knights.

I think it was also pointed out that the AFL will pay a sum of his contract, although it wasn't clear-cut. Ian Robson seemed to think that Andrew Demetriou said that they would. Someone from the AFL is clearing it up a bit later on SEN.

 

[The Donners]

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get the contract ready
[youtube]i2ZK4eNcZ-0[/youtube]

That's a freak goal?

I'm sitting on the fence with Inglis. I hate rugby and try and watch as little of it as possible, it's a shit sport. Wouldn't have a clue if he could make the transition. Without having even seen him play football I would say he couldn't. Rugby players don't have the tank to begin with.

All I see is a Nic Nat coming out of this. With all due respect to Nic Nat, he's a complete and utter piece of shit of a footballer. If I wanted to watch amazing athletes with zero football ability I'd watch the Olympic/Comm Games etc.

 

[Call Me Cake]

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All I see is a Nic Nat coming out of this. With all due respect to Nic Nat, he's a complete and utter piece of shit of a footballer. If I wanted to watch amazing athletes with zero football ability I'd watch the Olympic/Comm Games etc.

 

[Call Me Cake]

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This is what Call Me Cake is not getting. This is not a marketing ploy by Essendon. He could actually make it as an AFL player where as Issy and Hunt can't even kick properly.

It seems like you didn't get my point. I never said it was a marketing ploy by Essendon, read it again.

I understand this isn't being taken from a marketing point of view, but that's the point. I see no other reason to chase after him, waste our time on "developing" him or considering him as any future prospect in our next premiership. A marketing ploy is not what we need, yet that's all NRL players are being used for in the expansion states. They are walking billboards... not AFL prospects. Sure, they may make a mediocre impression, but it's the AFL stars that will pick up that slack and mask it. This is what the AFL coups of GC and WS will take care of.

Sure, some people may believe Inglis has what it takes to "transition" into AFL, but I'm seeing it from the opposite point of view. I've already explained why in my previous post.

You mention Inglis can make it as an AFL player because he can drop punt?... c'mon, it takes a lot more than that to be taken seriously in the context of the game. This is what I don't get... if we already know he's cemented himself into the habits of NRL and has to learn the fundamentals of the game to keep up with other AFL players his age (23) who are already expanding on this, then why bother?

I'm not extremely toe to toe with how the Salary cap comes into these coups, but aside from that, I don't want our club to see this as the "hail mary" of our development. We will recruit this NRL player with the intention of seeing a star, someone who will help our progress, someone who is going to be part of our premiership, without actually going for what we need, and what we should be putting our "faith" into. If anything, I see this as more of a copycat move by Essendon, buying all of the "NRL coups are the uncharted key to a hidden AFL star" crap, rather than taking their time in luring players that aren't simply going to be a list clogger.

In my opinion, the only use I see of Inglis at the moment, is the potential to put bums on seats for the first few weeks of the 2011 season. Nothing more, nothing less. And even then, we aren't guaranteed a 2011 start from Inglis.

Just imagine a 195cm KP size player bolting through the middle of Etihad, burning off the midfielders as he goes, palming two or three off with his trademark "don't argue" along the way. This is the sort of prospect we have on our hands.

This is what you don't get. These players are masters at the "bolt", but it takes more than that to be a midfielder. How is he going to keep up with the agility of other AFL players around him in a 360? How is he going to get his hands on the ball in a contest where he has to stop, turn, keep a level head and kick a football with enough accuracy into the forward 50 so that our forwards can make the most of it? Hell even knows whether he'd be able to incorporate the bounce in the very "bolts" he's so used to executing on an NRL pitch.

When Inglis is running as an NRL player, he is anticipating a tackle and play-the-ball. Aussie rules doesn't work that way, you have to be conscious of where you are, how you're going to strategically put the ball in the advantage of one of your team mates and create opportunities when you don't have the ball... 360 degrees. It's not about how "far" you get, and it's not about scoring "tries", where running towards a line with a watermelon under your arm is considered as a "score". 90 or so % of potential AFL draft prospects know how to drop punt and fluke a few goals, but any serious development coach knows it takes more than that. Sure, if the person was of athletic ability and did not cement a habit in another sport that is ENTIRELY different (this means, there are no fundamental similarities) - then I'd pay that, but that's not the case here.

Once he "bolts" through an area where there is no off-side rule and turns the ball over, how is he going to regain all of that energy to keep up with everyone else on the field who are constantly running and constantly aware of their surroundings and/or ready for a contest around the pack? There's a difference between running in a straight line at full pace at the expense of an enormous amount of energy (with the anticipation of a tackle + play-the-ball) and covering the ground with a 360 degree awareness/anticipation + executing a kick/handball to the advantage of another teammate. There's a difference between a stop-start sport and a free running one. If anything, there's more of a chance of him becoming the type of player that botches up all of our efforts on the field and costs us a goal or two a game.

Salary cap aside, I don't think the expectations of these NRL players becoming worthy AFL players will be delivered, as I think they're nothing more than advertisements in NRL dominant states and hopeless expectations for anyone else who takes them seriously.

Anyway, that's my two cents, hopefully I explained it a little better. It'll be interesting to see what route Essendon FC ends up taking in all of this.

 

[willingnable]

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The whole issue of having NRL players converting to AFL seems to have two schools of thought one is that to get as many talented players in the AFL as possible regardless of what sporting background they have. The other school of thought is I have always hated league so I don't want any ex-league players regardless of how much talent the player might have.


The way I see it is if we can have Irish players come over having played nothing more then an amateur sport or players with a strong basketball backgrounds can play AFL and have varying degrees of success in AFL, thee is no reason why professional rugby league players can not have successful careers in AFL and while most will turn out to be solid AFL players there will no doubt be some who will be absolute stars in AFL – and this is exactly what Inglis would be.

 

[james_omahoney]

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The guy is an absolute freak. Not many people in the world with his speed, strength, ball handling skills and big game experience.

Plenty of guys in the world with even more than Inglis. Problem is most of them earn way more in the NFL and are chemically enhanced.

 

[james_omahoney]

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get the contract ready
[youtube]i2ZK4eNcZ-0[/youtube]

Geez his action looks like Franklin's there; a bit of a load up/pendulum swing action with a slightly high ball drop.

Just aside, I'm really not a fan of youtube highlights of 'freak' goals where someone is obviously just having 100 shots of the same angle until they fluke it. I'm sure everyone here has had those 'from the boundary' games with their mates (and you ending snagging about 1 in 4 anyway).

Nothing 'freaky' about that kick whatsoever.

But I wouldn't be opposed to taking Inglis, so long as it doesn't squeeze out someone with more potential (i.e. natural football ability).

Essendon actually has a pretty big following outside Victoria (the largest of the Victorian clubs, IIRC) so there may actually be some 'marketing' merit for getting a star NRL player in terms of expanding our membership base.

 

[Godzke]

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx

"If Essendon wanted to chat to us about a potential role for any of their players in helping promote the game, we'd look at it beyond what the normal contracts are.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx

Right, so we can land the big fish on the cheap then. This could be very interesting

 

[Synth]

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/95748/default.aspx

Right, so we can land the big fish on the cheap then. This could be very interesting

Shit just got serious.

Obviously the AFL would love to snag another big name rugby player and are prepared to give a helping hand to make it happen

And this is the 'loophole':

"Ten per cent of our lists are indigenous, but those players are almost exclusively sourced out of states other than New South Wales and Queensland," he said.

"We've certainly got some moves, not just to expand into the Pacific, but we want a greater share of indigenous athletes out of New South Wales and Queensland as well.

 

[tubbis]

Re: Essendon meets with Greg Inglis

To my understanding, anyone who hasn't played AFL in 3 years gets to be listed as rookie (correct me if I'm wrong). If that's true, and he doesn't take up much room in the salary cap, I'd be more than willing to give him a go at AFL.
Freak athlete who has such a competitive nature that he'd manage the change IMO.
For all the people worried about his endurance.. if the Motlops and Whitnalls can survive in this world, why can't he?
I'd love to see him run a skills session though to see how he goes.
Also, in terms of understanding the game and overall awareness, it's something that can be developed over a couple of seasons (depending on whether he's a quick learner).
Personally, I could see him as a Max Rooke or Jarrad Waite type player who is hard at the ball, breaks tackles and delivers the ball up forward.

 

[Julian_apostate]

Re: Essendon meets with Greg Inglis

I think the sceptics may be missing the point: unlike Boak, Dangerfield et al, you wouldn't have to draft Inglis or trade for him, he can be fast-tracked straight in and a good part of his salary would probably be picked-up by the AFL and outside the cap.

It can be Inglis AND Boak or Dangerfield or whoever.

Come on over, Greg!

 

[centrelink1]

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What about his pressure off the ball. He may be similar to our Alwyn, a better player without the ball.

I'd love to see him send Ballantyne off on a streatcher