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Just a personal view - McLeod seemed to drive everything that night. Should have gotten the two at absolute worst.
Greg Williams is not unique - Brownlow votes myth
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Just a personal view - McLeod seemed to drive everything that night. Should have gotten the two at absolute worst.
Sydneys coach actually spoke at the post game press conference about how poorly Goodes played that game. Very rare yet thats what the coach did. Yet goodes got 2 votes.
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To not poll a single Brownlow vote at all is pretty dodgy
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Fooking umpies do not show any logic with a lot of decisions during the game and we let the fookers give votes for the sports most prestigious individual award . FFS fook all of them have played the game how would they know 3.2.1. McLachlan out
Going back a long way but IIRC there was a year, mid-70s when Kevin Bartlett was favourite for the Brownlow and Keith Greig from North got up and pinched it on the last vote of the night to register a shock win over KB.
Graeme Richmond and a couple of other Richmond officials almost started a punchup with VFL officials at the count over it.
And a couple of weeks later Greig finished about ninth in North's B&F!
Here's the thing. I'm not whinging about Raines' or Bartlett's Brownlow (lack of). Trying to pick who the most important or influential player on the ground is personal, and we all have different criteria. I remember going to a Geelong-Melbourne game as a neutral many years ago (many, many years) and thought Peter Johnson of Geelong was clearly the key player in the match - every Geelong attack went through him. If he marked it, it was important. I watched World of Sport the next day, and Johnson did not get a vote from those 'experts'.
I'm not a particularly 'possession stats' fan - in any game, both teams are going to get between 350-400 possessions. Depending on team structures, match-ups etc, some of those mid-fielders will get 20+, some will get 30+, and one may get 40+. But it doesn't overall affect the team total. Last year, when Mitchell got a million possessions, there does not seem to be a correlation between how many possessions he got, and how many overall Hawthorn got. (Not picking on Mitchell - every side has players who can get a lot of possessions). Ruckmen and hitouts can get even more ridiculous and lop-sided. It is interesting how Brownlow 'trends' have changed - in the 70s, Ruckmen won 5 of the 10 Brownlows. Since 1992, they haven't got close.
How you judge 'Best' is your opinion - and it is just as valid as anyone else's (well, mine is better than your's
). Umpires have a unique view of the game - and by definition, they are neutral. I'm still happy with the umpire's adjudicating on who is the 'Best' player in what is, after all, a fairly meaningless honor in a team game. They are also probably the best judges of 'Fairest'.
My mum always told me I was the best player, so that's what I go with. You want to argue with my Mum?!?!? (Hint: you don't want to argue with my mum).
I'm not a particularly 'possession stats' fan - in any game, both teams are going to get between 350-400 possessions. Depending on team structures, match-ups etc, some of those mid-fielders will get 20+, some will get 30+, and one may get 40+. But it doesn't overall affect the team total. Last year, when Mitchell got a million possessions, there does not seem to be a correlation between how many possessions he got, and how many overall Hawthorn got. (Not picking on Mitchell - every side has players who can get a lot of possessions). Ruckmen and hitouts can get even more ridiculous and lop-sided. It is interesting how Brownlow 'trends' have changed - in the 70s, Ruckmen won 5 of the 10 Brownlows. Since 1992, they haven't got close.
How you judge 'Best' is your opinion - and it is just as valid as anyone else's (well, mine is better than your's
). Umpires have a unique view of the game - and by definition, they are neutral. I'm still happy with the umpire's adjudicating on who is the 'Best' player in what is, after all, a fairly meaningless honor in a team game. They are also probably the best judges of 'Fairest'.My mum always told me I was the best player, so that's what I go with. You want to argue with my Mum?!?!? (Hint: you don't want to argue with my mum).
His team lost and he wasn’t the best player for his team; and finished 5 votes behind the winner on the night.
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You don't know if it's a sh*t hread until you read it, but based on your response I imagine you're a bit too stupid to understand that.
True. Not AFL level but I remember a Tasmanian State League match at the TCA Ground about 10 years ago where North Hobart's Matthew Geappen, an ex-Devils player, got 68 touches in a 19-point loss to Hobart in the rain and mud.Here's the thing. I'm not whinging about Raines' or Bartlett's Brownlow (lack of). Trying to pick who the most important or influential player on the ground is personal, and we all have different criteria. I remember going to a Geelong-Melbourne game as a neutral many years ago (many, many years) and thought Peter Johnson of Geelong was clearly the key player in the match - every Geelong attack went through him. If he marked it, it was important. I watched World of Sport the next day, and Johnson did not get a vote from those 'experts'.
I'm not a particularly 'possession stats' fan - in any game, both teams are going to get between 350-400 possessions. Depending on team structures, match-ups etc, some of those mid-fielders will get 20+, some will get 30+, and one may get 40+. But it doesn't overall affect the team total. Last year, when Mitchell got a million possessions, there does not seem to be a correlation between how many possessions he got, and how many overall Hawthorn got. (Not picking on Mitchell - every side has players who can get a lot of possessions). Ruckmen and hitouts can get even more ridiculous and lop-sided. It is interesting how Brownlow 'trends' have changed - in the 70s, Ruckmen won 5 of the 10 Brownlows. Since 1992, they haven't got close.
How you judge 'Best' is your opinion - and it is just as valid as anyone else's (well, mine is better than your's
Seemed to be a lot of ineffectual, scrubby kicks, turnovers and hospital handballs in amongst it. Never got a vote for that round in the medal count that year IIRC. Hobart got all three.
44 Greg Williams touches is the equivalent of 60 Tom Mitchell touches. Williams rarely wasted a disposal so if he had 44 touches you know it is a good game. He also picked up top votes in both the Age and the Hun for that game. I am pretty sure he got either second best or best on in the B&F for that game.
Of course It is even more glaring becasue he lost what would have been a 3rd medal by one vote.
Of course It is even more glaring becasue he lost what would have been a 3rd medal by one vote.
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Eerily similar to Carey against St Kilda in 1998.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=846
He was worth all six votes that day.
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1974, KB averaged 29.41 disposals (most of them kicks) and kicked 47 goals yet only polled 22 votes
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Quite a sight to behold to see a key forward utterly dominate a game. Some days North players could kick blindfolded inside 50 and you just knew Carey was going to mark it.
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Greig finished second in the Syd Barker that year (1974) and won the Brownlow by four votes (five ahead of KB).
The counting was weird in that they wouldn't read the votes in order of matches and 3-2-1, so the last "three" vote was read out with Bartlett on 22 votes, Hardeman on 23 and Greig on 24, and everyone expecting the last votes of the night to go to KB.
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Can you imagine KB these days if on top of his 5 flags, BFs, and record behinds, he had a Brownlow as well? I love KB but that would make him over the top unbearable if he is not that already!
What the actual *. He had 46 & 2 in a win and no one else on his team even had 30 and still couldn’t poll a vote ??
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I dont recall Scott Thompson butchering the ball in his 12-13 seasons at the crows. Maybe in his 4 years at the demons.
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Its a tragedy what has happened in Greg Williams post playing days though. Suffering multiple problems right now due to taking too many blows to the head during his playing days.
Disposals has became such a s**t stat these days. Too much of stat padding, kick ins, 1 2s, kick off the ground
It should be effective disposal or ‘plays’ (no 1 2s)
It should be effective disposal or ‘plays’ (no 1 2s)
If Carey got 20 kicks against you, you were in trouble.
