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Greyhound Thread Pt. II

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That is just about all rubbish, no point making arguments for what you say anymore when you just make stuff up
 
Did i say it was? I didnt say either were great betting options, they are about the same and you just have to take the best from all 3 codes
 

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AndSmithMustScore said:
Sure, sure.

That's why one of the Herald Sun racing writers made the very same point in yesterday's paper.
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Yes because journalists are never wrong, especially when offering opinions.

If the same journo wrote something negative about your beloved Celtics, you'd have nothing of it.
 
Look2Me4Guidance said:
Yes because journalists are never wrong, especially when offering opinions.

If the same journo wrote something negative about your beloved Celtics, you'd have nothing of it.
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So if he's looked at the numerical figures of crowds and noticed a downward trend then it's just his "opinion"?

Most journos write fluff peices about how wonderful their sport is, not how woeful.

If the same journo had numerical facts to back up his assertions on the Celtics then he's right.

Be honest, the majority(not all) of the people who attend the races know sweet fa about them.

I have friends who punt that never go to race tracks, I have friends who know nothing at all about horse racing that go all the time.

If a casual observer sat down to watch the races over the spring carnival they'd know jsut as much about dresses as they would about horses come the end of it.
 
Looking forward to seeing some tips from you this weekend and show us all how profitable greyhound racing really is for you.
 
Beauy420 said:
Average day the other day, just one bet for the night i reckon

Launceston race 1 #1 Decibel

Bathurst race 10 #2 Entrust, will take 2.50+ for value, dont back if shorter.
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Decibel just won at $22 and I forgot to back the god damn thing. Shit feeling.
 
Beauy420 said:
There it is. Put your money where your mouth is
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I put my money where MY mouth is.

I'm not having people losing money on something I said.

And really, if someone had a really good thing for a race, why tell a bunch of people and potentially lower the price?

Are you comfortable telling people somethings a good thing then when it loses they lose their money?

Can't say I've ever been comfortable with that.
 

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AndSmithMustScore said:
I put my money where MY mouth is.

I'm not having people losing money on something I said.

And really, if someone had a really good thing for a race, why tell a bunch of people and potentially lower the price?

Are you comfortable telling people somethings a good thing then when it loses they lose their money?

Can't say I've ever been comfortable with that.
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Don't worry I'm not going to blindly tail you, I'm not that stupid.

And telling a bunch of people on bigfooty isn't going to lower the price.
 
Beauy420 said:
Don't worry I'm not going to blindly tail you, I'm not that stupid.

And telling a bunch of people on bigfooty isn't going to lower the price.
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You'd be surprised how letting something slip to the wrong people can effect a price in dogs.

A friend bought a racing dog for decent money and was hoping to get a chunk of it back in its first start for them.

Trouble is he told a few people (not many) and a dog that should have been 5/1 ended up 11/4. It won and they guy didn't get back nowhere near what he should have if he'd kept it to himself.
 
AndSmithMustScore said:
You'd be surprised how letting something slip to the wrong people can effect a price in dogs.

A friend bought a racing dog for decent money and was hoping to get a chunk of it back in its first start for them.

Trouble is he told a few people (not many) and a dog that should have been 5/1 ended up 11/4. It won and they guy didn't get back nowhere near what he should have if he'd kept it to himself.
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That never happened.
 

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Group 3 Mandurah Birthday Cup Final

Mandurah Mail
Birthday Cup Final - 405 metres
$37,500 - 1st $25,000 2nd $7,080 3rd $3,545 4th $375
8:47pm



1 - GIVE AND TAKE
Black Dog - El Galo x Swelligant (Nov 09)

1st Section in heat - 6.57 Run Home - 10.67 Heat Win - 22.42


Hard to fault GIVE AND TAKE, his run in the heat was very good to be the second quickest qualifier. Untouched throughout so you would think his time last week would only improve marginally if at all. The draw puts him right in the race, no question, but I think there will be a couple that have a stronger final 50mtrs that should be close enough to challenge.
I’ve got him for 4th.



2 - AL’S SPECIAL
Black Dog - Give Me Five x Barry’s Special (Dec 09)


1st Section in heat - 6.57 Run Home - U/K Heat win - 22.79


Gallant win, checked as he was crossing to the fence after posting 6.57 to the peg then recovered after being slightly galloped on to do enough to poke the nose in front over the line. Heat time of 22.79 was good under the circumstances. Do well to remember the week before he highballed around in 22.29. His record from inside boxes is exceptional with 6 wins from 7 starts. Has gone 6.54 to the first peg before and if he does that will be enough to find the fence. The only concern I have for him is if he has pulled up a little sore from the check off his back heels from being galloped on. If trainer Bill Skipper is confident it would be hard to not see him in the top two.
I rate him for 2nd.



3 - RUDGE
Brindle Dog - Velocette x Chatilly Lace (oct 09)


1st Section in heat - U/K Run Home - 10.85 (rough) Heat win - 22.65


One of the two litter-mates for trainer Andrew McLaren. Great effort to hold out the track record holder in the run to the line but didn’t do enough to threaten this week for me. Jumped only fairly and that will be his undoing in the final. Has been incredibly consistent at the top grade at Mandurah with no unplaced runs from inside boxes over the trip. I just can’t see him in the firing line early and won’t be making enough ground late to threaten.
I rate him in the bottom three.



4 - OKAY ASHLEE
Brindle Bitch - Velocette x Chatilly Lace (Oct 09)


1st Section in heat - U/K Run Home - 10.75 Heat win - 22.76


The other of the McLaren runners. Relished the one box last week and utilized it by sticking to the rail and taking the shortest way home. Took some heels down the back which cost it some time but overall didn’t have a lot of trouble. The early leader in the heat went 6.59 and OKAY ASHLEE was about 1/2 a length off at the time, which won’t be enough to lead this field and will be cluttered away early. Ran home fairly and again won’t be doing enough late to win this. Not for me.
I rate her in the bottom three.



5 - MUNGO PARK
Red Fawn Dog - Hallucinate x Stylish Scene (Apr 09)


1st Section in heat - 6.56 Run Home - 10.62 Heat win - 22.33


Great run to be the fastest qualifier. Jumped fairly but then mustered impressively to take the lead shortly after the start then booted away from his rivals and gave nothing else a chance. If he gets clear room after the start he is the knockout chance for me. I can’t see him getting the clear run from the 5 with equal to greater early speed just outside him in BELARUS and STAR KEEPING.
I have him 5th or 6th in the run to the line but yes could definitely give this a shake.
Has the master trainer to have him right for this.



6 - BELARUS
White and Dark Brindle Dog - Digital x Georgia Brown (Jun 09)


1st Section in heat - 6.70 (rough) Run Home - 10.64 Heat win - 22.60


Didn’t begin with the greatest of gusto but hunted up and moved clear along the back to win as he should. Has a great record over this trip and was a recent track record holder over the distance. I expect him to have a little room early with MARBRO MAN not the quickest out and MUNGO PARK generally not an exceptionally consistent beginner. I have him jumping quicker this week but I think STAR KEEPING will cross and he’ll be caught up in the ruck.
Incredibly I have him running 5th or 6th. Says a lot for this field.



7 - MARBRO MAN
Black Dog - Elite State x Simerema Lass (Jun 08) Heat win - 22.55


1st Section in heat - U/K Run Home - 10.70 (rough)


Had to work to win and did enough for me at his first look at the track to start favorite in my view. Can win from anywhere and generally finds the line too well for anyone else. Can’t ignore his run behind DYNA TRON late last year. Last week was his first race start for a while and he will no doubt be fitter for the run. I don’t expect him to lead but I expect him to hold his line out wide and race into 2nd or 3rd quickly enough and then race away with the cup off the back.
I have him to run 1st.



8 - STAR KEEPING
Black Bitch - Pure Octane x Only Keeping (Sep 09) Heat Win - 22.57


1st Section in heat - 6.58 Run Home - 10.71


Brilliant beginner and does it consistently. Ran a sensational 5.59 to the first peg at Cannington in late November, which is electrifying early. Will cross most of this field easily, the only others to push her wide early will be GIVE AND TAKE and AL’S SPECIAL. I see her crossing almost half a length in front with AL’S SPECIAL just on her inside and MARBRO MAN coming across from wide to sit at her flank down the back. From there I have her running third.


My scope of the final is STAR KEEPING to almost cross the field, AL’S SPECIAL will sit just inside her and hold the fence along the back. MARBRO MAN will hold his line wide and take off along the back eventually hitting the lead and winning. GIVE AND TAKE will utilize the rails to rail through for fourth. With so much speed in this field there will no doubt be trouble in the ruck. MUNGO PARK and BELARUS will muster into each other trying to spear through the field. RUDGE and OKAY ASHLEE just don’t have the depth of this field.


My finishing order - 7 / 2 / 8 / 1 / 6 / 5 / 3 / 4
 
[SIZE=-0]Group 2 Devonport Cup Final

Box 1 - Classy Maldini - Second quickest qualifier in 25.77 when left alone in front last week. This was it first look at the track, so one could only imagine it would improve on that run. The difference in this final is that there are a lot of greyhounds capable of mustering at a rapid rate as well. Regardless, this looks the early leader on paper and with the favourite staying off the track, it will get every chance. Top 3.

Box 2 - Portrait Ignites - One of Tasmania's up and coming prospects who blew away her field in the heats last week running 25.90. This was one of the slower runs but was also her first look here. The week before she ran 29.59 when crushing a field at Launceston. The draw is tricky as she is unlikely to lead a few of these, but with the right run, can make it home into the exotics. 3rd or 4th at best.

Box 3 - Decibel - Blowout winner of the heats last week at over 20-1. Talented dog who rises sharply in class for this final and only won in a 25.91. That probably will not win this race and when it does not lead, it usually does not feature. Too hard tonight. Bottom 3.

Box 4 - Miss Roman Nose - Winner of her last 4 and has an impeccable record here with 10 starts for 4 wins and 5 seconds. You can't get much better than that. Has great early toe and Katsidis might run some cover holding out the likes of Damek and co, to help it run a place. Look for it to be in the firing line throughout. Top 3.

Box 5 - Katsidis - Led all the way in the slowest of all the heats last week. Is usually pretty reliable at box rise but lacks a finishing touch to it's races and it will be found out here. Might hold up Damek and Pretty In Blue, but does not look like featuring. Bottom 3.

Box 6 - Damek - The pride of Tasmania is racing as good as he ever has. Sizzled around Launceston from Box 4 when recording a 29.55 win and backed it up with a 25.83 win where he was strung up mid-race and had to work hard on the fence to burst through late and win. The box is a killer with a lot of speed directly inside of it, but it has a class edge the majority of these do not. Top 3.

Box 7 - Pretty In Blue - Shot out of a cannon in her heat for the first time in forever. Was a big surprise. She drew the easiest heat and could only manage 25.92 when winning that race so from this tough draw, she will be battling to feature in this race. Bottom 3.

Box 8 - Rewind - The winner. The quickest heat winner by over 3L. 10 goes here for 8 wins and 1 second and a recent nose runner up in the Hobart Thousands to multiple Group winner, Dyna Tron. Drawn where he wants to be in the pink as he is a wide runner and it is no surprise to see he has 4 starts from this box for 3 wins and 1 second. Nearly invincible and looks as much as moral in a Group race as you will see.

The race goes to plan for the favourite here in REWIND. It will begin well and stay out of trouble and simply prove to superior. Classy Maldini should be able to utilise the inside draw and burn through to the lead here and avoid the early trouble. Logical Quinella pick. Dogs like Damek and Portrait Ignites are genuine place chances but they will need luck from the draw. Watch for them to be hitting the line very hard. Only other realistic Trifecta chance is Miss Roman Nose if she can show her customary early toe and land on pace.

Early Speed - Classy Maldini (1), Rewind (8)

Swoopers - Portrait Ignites (2), Pretty In Blue (7)

Selections
[/SIZE][SIZE=-0]8. Rewind (SPECIAL)
1. Classy Maldini
4. Miss Roman Nose
6. Damek
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Also, for anyone interested in entering a free tipping comp with prizes, you can on Thursday night for the SA Sprint Championship final too!! Link for competition entry is http://thegreattipoff.com/racecomp/sasprintfinal

Will shoot through thoughts on SA final on Thursday too.
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Hi all. Just a quick reminder that our free tipping competition is up for tonight at http://thegreattipoff.com/racecomp/sasprintfinal

Please see below for our thoughts on the big one tonight!!



SA SPRINT CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL - GROUP 3


9. Midget Farrelly (Surf Lorian--Lapras) BDL D Feb 2008 $24,500
42 Starts 7-10-7
T/D 2 Starts 0-0-2

The smokey runner who moves to a gun box. Recent new addition from NSW, this greyhound has run two great races at the elite level here. First up ran 3rd in the Adelaide Cup heats behind Allen Harper and followed it up with a luckless 3rd behind this year's favourite, Kalden Aurora. Is not blessed with reliable box speed but does know how to find the line and with the good draw in a feature race, it is a huge advantage. Blowout chance to knock over the two hot pots.

[SIZE=-0][FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]2. [FONT=Georgia, serif]Goosebumps [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif](Meticulous--Tilka Lee) BK B Nov 2008 [SIZE=-0][SIZE=-0][FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]$37,515 [/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Georgia, serif]
49 Starts 24-8-4
T/D 36 Starts 18-5-2[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Like Led Zeppelin, Goosebumps was only beaten by ¾ of a length and also has drawn a considerably better Box. She has a fantastic record from Box 2, seven starts for five wins and two placings. She has been on fire of late and it would be a big shock if she didn’t at least [FONT=Georgia, serif]make the first four. Boxes 1 to 3 contain lots of early pace and the first bend will determine the race. Whoever gets around first and into clear running room has the race at their mercy. Goosebumps’ first[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] section will set up her race. If she begins well, she will win. If she blows it, which she is prone to do occasionally (but she has been much better of late), she will lose. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]3. Kalden Aurora (Premier Fantasy--Abbadale Affair) WBK B Jul 200[FONT=Georgia, serif]9 [SIZE=-0][FONT=Georgia, serif]$44,515 [/SIZE]
25 Starts 12-5-0
T/D 6 Starts 3-1-0[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Super impressive last week when she exploded from Box 8 to cross the field and win in a BON 29.82. Has only had the one start from the white, but she [FONT=Georgia, serif]loves it from the inside. Definitely the one to beat and I suspect she ca[FONT=Georgia, serif]n lead Goosebumps and Led Zeppelin and [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]claim the big prize. She was able to destroy a top quality field when she won the Adelaide Cup consolation in a blistering 29.52 from Box 2, and she should be able to do the same here. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]4. Joken Kihael [FONT=Georgia, serif](Elite State--Helwa)[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]WBK D Nov 2008[FONT=Georgia, serif]$9,640
[SIZE=-0][FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]29 Sta[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]rts 7-5-3 [/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
T/D 22 Starts 6-4-3[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]Despite having a 29.66 PB to its credit, there is a [/FONT]?[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]on its [FONT=Georgia, serif]ability.[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] On the final turn last week, he [/FONT]had his head up and didn’t want to go past Victa Troy. On the final [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]straight, his lack of int[/FONT]erest in chasing was very obvious and only got up because Victa Troy faded just before the line. Has a ton [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]of pace on his inside and a reasonable beginner on his outside, including familiar foe Victa Troy. His only hope is to regain the thrill of the chase and get up during the last stages of this race.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]5. Victa Troy[FONT=Georgia, serif](Where's Pedro--Teelah) BK D Jul 2009 [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]$23,095[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]35 [FONT=Georgia, serif]Starts 15-7-1 [/FONT][/FONT]
T/D 26 Starts 10-7-0[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]This poor bugger can’t draw a decent box when he needs to. He has spent most of his career running in restricted age feature race heats and finals, but this is a big step up. For once he’s not in the top tier of runners here. He won’t be quick enough to cross or hold off the inside runners and is more of a place chance if anything. [/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]6. Henry Mallet[FONT=Georgia, serif] (Kiowa Sweet Trey--Hermione Holly) WRF D Mar 2009 [FONT=Georgia, serif]$19,575 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]56 Starts 12-14-8
T/D 27 Starts 5-11-3 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif][FONT=Georgia, serif]A surprise place getter last week behind an even more surprising winner in Rattle Gun. He is capable of jumping well, but hasn’t been firing as well of late. Would need to improve dramatica[FONT=Georgia, serif]lly to[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] figure here and the box draw has not helped in the slightest. Could be a place danger if Boxes 1 to 3 collide on the first bend, but would need a lot of other things to go his way as well.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]7. Bandanna Lad[FONT=Georgia, serif](Pure Octane--Valeri's Purse) BD D Mar 2008 [FONT=Georgia, serif]$29,655 [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Starts 15-19-11
T/D 23 Starts 6-7-3[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Caused a major boilover last week when he pipped Led Zeppelin to the post. He was slow out but stormed home. His time does cause some concern given that [FONT=Georgia, serif]some of the other runners could run 30.29 with just three legs. Would n[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]eed a clear run for most of the race and the front runners to tire late. Looks a better place option, rather than a winner.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]8. Rattle Gun[FONT=Georgia, serif](Pure Octane--Glen Abbey Kate) WBK D Dec'2008 [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]$20,365 [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]53 Starts 16-8-4
T/D 19 Starts 6-3-1[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]If Bandanna Lad was an upset winner, then Rattle Gun is in a whole other league. He led all the way and his time was much more respectable than Bandanna Lad’s. He might be able to lead the first three to his left, but won’t be able to cross this field and lead. Has on ok recor[FONT=Georgia, serif]d [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]from Box 8 and was able to record a 30.00 win from this Box at Launceston over the same distance. The early speed on the inside, and the dangerous swoopers in Joken Kihael and Bandanna Lad diminish Rattle Gun’s chances here. Not his night unfortunately.

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Early Speed -[FONT=Georgia, serif] Led Zeppelin (1), Goosebumps (2), Kalden Aurora (3)[/FONT]

Swoopers - Joken Kiheal (4), Bandanna Lad (7)

Selections
3. Kalden Aurora
2. Goosebumps
9. Midget Farrelly
7. Bandanna Lad
 
Bulli Gold Cup Final! (472m)

1. El Caballo

Surprised in his heat with a solid third placing behind the quickest qualifer in El Caballo. The draw helped there as well as the small field. Has good tracks, but needs a soft run in transit, and that does not look like happening here. Bottom 3.

2. Fancy Dean
Outside of not actually winning, you cannot fault his form. Has been racing the elite of Australia for most of his career and being competitive. Chased home Flavours hard last week from the wide draw, and he moves inside that greyhound this time which is a big positive. It likes the rails and should be able to hunt up hard here and put himself right into the fray. Top 3.

3. Flavours

Again, another suited by the smaller field last week when able to cop a soft lead and prove far too strong in the run to the line. He is a highly talented chaser who really steps up to the big league tonight. Has the ability to feature, but is surrounded by speed and looks hard pressed to be finding the lead here. I see it finishing mid pack. 4th-5th.

4. Apparently So
Gutsy win in the heat in a race full of trouble. The time was nothing flash. In fact, the time was horrid, but it was more a reflection of the race as opposed to the dog's ability. With that being said, most of this dog's wins have come when it has landed on the bunny and run the field ragged. On time form, this greyhound is limited and just does not quite reach the echelon it should to win a race of this stature. Probably can find the top early, but with a lot of this dogs have great acceleration, might get spat out the back mid-race. Bottom 3.

5. Loathsome

Not much luck in the heat when running 2nd to Apparently So. As we said earlier, that race was a wash with the trouble. Form prior was outstanding at the track with 4 from 4 and a PB of 26.05. The draw looks awful, but with the fast breaker in Box 4, he can follow it out and across the field and potentially land outside the leader and put it away. I think he is the fastest dog in the race and is the one to beat. Top 3.

6. Sucker Punch

Good run in the heat when flooding home late in fast time. Is a talented dog but a lot against it here. Way up in class and also draws terribly as this dog loves to rail. Will be strung up early and out the back and finding it hard to make ground from the tail in a fast run race. Bottom 3.

7. Wandy Neg

Both runs in NSW since coming from Tasmania have been very meritorious and it has found the line well in both. Does need a shade of luck early, but has shown glimpses of ability against some handy dogs and in a field like this, a strong run home should see it finishing hard late into the exotics. 4th-5th.

8. Prince Diablo

The favourite in the race. Not mine, but the public's. This dog is doing everything right at the moment. Won the Gosford Cup and qualified for this final in quickest heat win. I am not a fan of him from Box 8 as I have seen him do some terrible stuff trying to get down to the fence, so I think he can be a risk from out there. He is highly talented and is the next best chance to win the race outside of Loathsome. Top 3.

Early Speed - Fancy Dean (2), Apparently So (4)

Swoopers - Loathsome (5), Wandy Neg (7), Prince Diablo (8)

Selections
5. Loathsome
8. Prince Diablo
2. Fancy Dean
3. Flavours
 

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