Vic "Gridlock" Dan Andrews

[cartwright]

Gridlock is partly due to the laziness of those people who simply just drive to work in the city because they feel they are entitled to do so.

The amount of people I see driving into the city on their own (no such thing as carpooling for many) and then paying through the nose for the parking available in the city is ridiculous.

You should only drive to and park in the city if you have no choice but to do so. There are other options.

Even if your company provides the carspace?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Here is a lesson for you and anyone else reading.

If you walk into a burger shop expecting chicken nuggets, are given the best burger in the world and eat it but were so fixed on your nuggets that the burger is not good to you - then you shot yourself in the foot.

That is what happens when you go into a discussion expecting people to be sitting on the map right where you put them.

I'm a vegetarian.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Gridlock is partly due to the laziness of those people who simply just drive to work in the city because they feel they are entitled to do so.

The amount of people I see driving into the city on their own (no such thing as carpooling for many) and then paying through the nose for the parking available in the city is ridiculous.

You should only drive to and park in the city if you have no choice but to do so. There are other options.

Everyone has their own situation, you can’t judge people you know nothing about.

Some will be doing school drop offs on the way to work

Others will use the time in the car to make phone calls, making the commute more efficient. I’ve done this in past jobs and it was a very valuable time of my day... and not something that’s very easy to do when you’re pressed guts to back with thousands of others on a train.

Others don’t live anywhere near a station - or near a station with parking.

Plenty of jobs require you to on the road during the day going to other offices or customers. If you need to visit multiple places across Melbourne each day, often PT just isn’t useful.

People will always take the option that is most convenient within their commitments, and cheapest. People are rational.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Gridlock is partly due to the laziness of those people who simply just drive to work in the city because they feel they are entitled to do so.

The amount of people I see driving into the city on their own (no such thing as carpooling for many) and then paying through the nose for the parking available in the city is ridiculous.

You should only drive to and park in the city if you have no choice but to do so. There are other options.

They're not paying to park and it's a company car for many of them.

 

[pazza]

They're not paying to park and it's a company car for many of them.

I use the example of people who come in to where I work. You have Parliament Station right across the road and a fair few of the buses that ujse the Eastern Freeway also stop out the front. Tram stop is less than a 5 minute walk away. And yet people persist on driving in..and then bitching and moaning when the council fines them from parking out the front. Makes for an expensive day.

 

[cartwright]

Yeah............but anyway................gridlock, overpopulation & carbon footprints.

Anything to add?

so, this is mostly about over-population rather than a lack of infrastructure development by previous governments?

 

[Kwality]

Gridlock is partly due to the laziness of those people who simply just drive to work in the city because they feel they are entitled to do so.

The amount of people I see driving into the city on their own (no such thing as carpooling for many) and then paying through the nose for the parking available in the city is ridiculous.

You should only drive to and park in the city if you have no choice but to do so. There are other options.

Certainly applies to 9-5 workers, who only go to & from.
The city is better served by public transport than any other area, maybe they pay the parking costs by necessity?

 

[Kwality]

They're not paying to park and it's a company car for many of them.

So they dont use it for work? How would you know?

 

[Kwality]

Enjoy the traffic.

West Gate Tunnel boring machines to sit idle for another six months

Tunnelling machines on the $6.7 billion West Gate Tunnel project are unable to be started due to the lack of any plan to deal with large amounts of toxic soil.

www.theage.com.au

No progress but Minister Allan is looking for jobs for the displaced by displacing someone else, no losers there Jacinta !!!


.... 137 people have lost their jobs today, many of whom have uprooted their lives to move here from interstate on the understanding that they’d be employed on this project for a good two or three years. Now they’re being sacked before the tunnelling’s even started.

The government has made its view very clear that it was our expectation that these workers should be accommodated within the project itself, and considering that there’s over 4,000 people working on this project right now on the West Gate Tunnel, there could have been opportunities for the workers to be maintained on the project or within the many other projects that CPB and John Holland are working on in Victoria right now,” Ms Allan said.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

future-cloudy-for-west-gate-tunnel-workers-sacked-due-to-soil-contamination/news-story/184ba566df65dfa22fecfc4ce4a8805d

 

[Bomberboyokay]

So they dont use it for work? How would you know?

What?

 

[tangolikelama]

lol op's mad because they're taking bus replacements. Andrews has his flaws, West Gate Tunnel should've never gone ahead, particularly since it was solicited by Transurban, signing up to the Roadbelt initiative was also strange but apart from that he's been fantastic.

 

[pazza]

And as of today the trains are back running between Parliament and Caulfield...

 

[Frank Bunn]

Gridlock is partly due to the laziness of those people who simply just drive to work in the city because they feel they are entitled to do so.

The amount of people I see driving into the city on their own (no such thing as carpooling for many) and then paying through the nose for the parking available in the city is ridiculous.

You should only drive to and park in the city if you have no choice but to do so. There are other options.

Public transport is also massively overcrowded.

The new high capacity trains for the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines are way behind in their implementation. The contract has been completely botched. Amongst other problems, each train has several kilometres of wiring which has had to be reworked because it was poorly specified. Andrews originally promised to have the new trains running on the network by the end of 2018. I was told yesterday by a Metro employee that they have not yet got any trains started on the 10,000 kilometres of testing on the metropolitan network before any of the fleet is allowed to take passengers. He told me that Jacinta Allen has demanded that one train be ready by mid 2020 so that they can trumpet it to the press - even though this one train will require changes to the loop arrangements that will disrupt other services.

The consortium leader Plenary is a major donor to the Labor Party. I'm sure that had nothing to do with them being awarded the $5.2 billion contract.

More work done in China on new trains for Melbourne as delays mount

First they were delayed for a year, now it has emerged even more of Melbourne's new fleet of high-capacity trains will be made in China.

www.theage.com.au

Next-generation $5 billion trains running months late as delays set in

First of 65 new trains for Melbourne, ordered as part of a $5.2 billion public-private partnership, is more than six months late as teething problems beset the rollout.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Pessimistic]

Public transport is also massively overcrowded.

The new high capacity trains for the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines are way behind in their implementation. The contract has been completely botched. Amongst other problems, each train has several kilometres of wiring which has had to be reworked because it was poorly specified. Andrews originally promised to have the new trains running on the network by the end of 2018. I was told yesterday by a Metro employee that they have not yet got any trains started on the 10,000 kilometres of testing on the metropolitan network before any of the fleet is allowed to take passengers. He told me that Jacinta Allen has demanded that one train be ready by mid 2020 so that they can trumpet it to the press - even though this one train will require changes to the loop arrangements that will disrupt other services.

The consortium leader Plenary is a major donor to the Labor Party. I'm sure that had nothing to do with them being awarded the $5.2 billion contract.

More work done in China on new trains for Melbourne as delays mount

First they were delayed for a year, now it has emerged even more of Melbourne's new fleet of high-capacity trains will be made in China.

www.theage.com.au

Next-generation $5 billion trains running months late as delays set in

First of 65 new trains for Melbourne, ordered as part of a $5.2 billion public-private partnership, is more than six months late as teething problems beset the rollout.

www.theage.com.au

Should have been handled by private companies...oops...it was!

 

[kranky al]

Yeah............but anyway................gridlock, overpopulation & carbon footprints.

I mean actual ******* data, not some murky broad reaching overview that hides these numbers?

Anything to add?

How about you provide data that contradicts it?

thats how debate works - not him providing something and you saying “is not”

 

[kranky al]

Public transport is also massively overcrowded.

The consortium leader Plenary is a major donor to the Labor Party. I'm sure that had nothing to do with them being awarded the $5.2 billion contract.

More work done in China on new trains for Melbourne as delays mount

First they were delayed for a year, now it has emerged even more of Melbourne's new fleet of high-capacity trains will be made in China.

www.theage.com.au

Next-generation $5 billion trains running months late as delays set in

First of 65 new trains for Melbourne, ordered as part of a $5.2 billion public-private partnership, is more than six months late as teething problems beset the rollout.

www.theage.com.au

Federal icac - stat

immediate ban on political donations period.

Candidates can knock doors and use the internet to promote themselves - mandatory debates to be live streamed for every area and every candidate paid for from taxes.

this concept that you give a political party a few hungy grand and reap billions is corruption!!

 

[Frank Bunn]

immediate ban on political donations period.

Candidates can knock doors and use the internet to promote themselves - mandatory debates to be live streamed for every area and every candidate paid for from taxes.

I'm not against this in theory but in practise lobby groups would find a way round it to gain influence.

Also, I doubt any of the major parties would be in favour. Last year the Greens were the recipients from Australia's largest individual political donor. Labor relies on its union donations. All the parties have a range of individual and business donors. I'm wondering that The Bikini Body Training Company Pty Ltd got for their $25k donation to the SA Libs. Then there's GetUp and other supposedly non-affiliated political groups.

Anyway we digress. Both the roads and public transport in Melbourne are massively overcrowded. You would have to experience it on a daily basis to appreciate how bad it is.

 

[Bazzar]

 

[kranky al]

I'm not against this in theory but in practise lobby groups would find a way round it to gain influence.

Also, I doubt any of the major parties would be in favour. Last year the Greens were the recipients from Australia's largest individual political donor. Labor relies on its union donations. All the parties have a range of individual and business donors. I'm wondering that The Bikini Body Training Company Pty Ltd got for their $25k donation to the SA Libs. Then there's GetUp and other supposedly non-affiliated political groups.

Anyway we digress. Both the roads and public transport in Melbourne are massively overcrowded. You would have to experience it on a daily basis to appreciate how bad it is.

thankyou for your kind offer but i must decline - i left perth because i was sick to death of staring at exhaust pipes - now i rage aneurism if theres more than 2 people in front of me turning right!!

 

[Frank Bunn]

thankyou for your kind offer but i must decline - i left perth because i was sick to death of staring at exhaust pipes - now i rage aneurism if theres more than 2 people in front of me turning right!!

Geez Al. If you think Perth is overcrowded you would not last 2 days in Melbourne. It can take you 2 hours to drive from one side of the city to another. Long distance commuter trains are standing room only, including tradies taking large trolley loads of equipment across town because the driving is unfeasible. This is a result of massive population increases in the last 10 years.

I was over in WA last year and loved it. I drove from Perth Northern suburbs to Freo in half an hour. The peak hour trains were busy but not jammed. Outside Perth everywhere was so relaxed.

 

[kranky al]

Geez Al. If you think Perth is overcrowded you would not last 2 days in Melbourne. It can take you 2 hours to drive from one side of the city to another. Long distance commuter trains are standing room only, including tradies taking large trolley loads of equipment across town because the driving is unfeasible. This is a result of massive population increases in the last 10 years.

I was over in WA last year and loved it. I drove from Perth Northern suburbs to Freo in half an hour. The peak hour trains were busy but not jammed. Outside Perth everywhere was so relaxed.

Im not a patient man. Unless fishing.

I made the seachange and got around 10 hours a week back.

could never go back to the rat race -dont envy you guys. Perth is incredibly lucky we had town planners with foresight in the 50’s who set aside land for freeways and ring roads.

still cbf with it.

 

[kranky al]

Yeah............but anyway................gridlock, overpopulation & carbon footprints.

I mean actual ******* data, not some murky broad reaching overview that hides these numbers?

Anything to add?

How about you provide data that contradicts it?

thats how debate works - not him providing something and you saying “is not”

 

[Juddism]

thankyou for your kind offer but i must decline - i left perth because i was sick to death of staring at exhaust pipes - now i rage aneurism if theres more than 2 people in front of me turning right!!

I left Perth because it was Perth...been here 11 years and how this city ever won “most liveable” is beyond me! it is absolutely the most non-user friendly city I have ever had the misfortune of living in. It took me 1.5hr to drive from Crown to Royal Mel hospital 3 days ago and it’s barely 3km...people think Melbourne is the be-all and end all, quite frankly, it’s a 3rd world shit-hole already.

 

[Snake_Baker]

so, this is mostly about over-population rather than a lack of infrastructure development by previous governments?

Typically simplistic and biased.

The increase in population followed "Gridlock Dan's" "Vicbuild" cash bonanza.

~800kgs CO2 produced by the mere manufacture of a cubic metere of concrete folks. What is "Gridlock Dan's" carbon footprint? Can anybody find it yet?

 

[Snake_Baker]

I left Perth because it was Perth...been here 11 years and how this city ever won “most liveable” is beyond me! it is absolutely the most non-user friendly city I have ever had the misfortune of living in. It took me 1.5hr to drive from Crown to Royal Mel hospital 3 days ago and it’s barely 3km...people think Melbourne is the be-all and end all, quite frankly, it’s a 3rd world shit-hole already.

Was a magnificent city once.

Now it is an overpopulated, choked up shit hole.

I may end up in Perth.