Vic "Gridlock" Dan Andrews

[BEaston]

hilarious thread

OP and their following posts are embarrassing

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[Ned_Flanders]

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And it has nothing to do with the fact the the state govt employs two professions in massive numbers which women dominate - teachers and nurses

 

[Caesar]

And it has nothing to do with the fact the the state govt employs two professions in massive numbers which women dominate - teachers and nurses

I think you’d probably find that even outside those two groups, women are still disproportionately represented

It has a lot to do with insanely favourable maternity leave provisions

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

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Are you blaming the gridlock on women being in the public sector?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I think you’d probably find that even outside those two groups, women are still disproportionately represented

It has a lot to do with insanely favourable maternity leave provisions

Yeah, a years leave for having a kid is insane. How dare they!!!

 

[Caesar]

Yeah, a years leave for having a kid is insane. How dare they!!!

A year plus FACS leave plus temporary reduction from full-time hours until the kid goes to school. And if you have another kid it resets.

I have seen people holding permanent full-time jobs who haven’t worked a 40 hour week in over a decade. Every year they get to decide how much they want to work for the next 12 months, with no repercussions to their substantive position.

It’s an incredibly cushy gig compared to the private sector and I’m not surprised that women gravitate to it. I would.

 

[Taylor]

If the Victorian public service follows the same trend as the federal public service I've looked into then it is heavily populated by women but the management is filled with more men.

So there's something to get upset about.

 

[Caesar]

It’s because they spend too much time on maternity leave to be promoted

 

[Taylor]

How dare you, outcomes that aren't equal can only be the result of systematic oppression.

Government work is the dream. As in the public service lower level positions, not the work monitoring CCP wires and influence in social media - that is soul destroying.

 

[go you pups]

Are you blaming the gridlock on women being in the public sector?

Definitely a weird bump

 

[Ned_Flanders]

A year plus FACS leave plus temporary reduction from full-time hours until the kid goes to school. And if you have another kid it resets.

I have seen people holding permanent full-time jobs who haven’t worked a 40 hour week in over a decade. Every year they get to decide how much they want to work for the next 12 months, with no repercussions to their substantive position.

It’s an incredibly cushy gig compared to the private sector and I’m not surprised that women gravitate to it. I would.

isnt that NSW?

 

[Leeda]

don't mind.. Dan the man.. rather be too top heavy.. than be too shot gun sally.. but it goes uncoordinated.. less than appreciated..

 

[Caesar]

isnt that NSW?

NSW have it, thought Victoria did too but perhaps I am remembering wrong

If not there are comparable lurks

Public service is very cushy for maternity compared to the private sector

 

[Ned_Flanders]

NSW have it, thought Victoria did too

If not there are comparable lurks

Public service is very cushy for maternity

Fwiw the depts I've dealt with everyone is back in a year or less. This idea you have of people joining the public service just to get pregnant is batty. It's just that they don't sack people for getting pregnant (and in my book re-engineering your role to encourage you to quit is sacking you, and it's something I've seen done a bit in the private sector)

 

[Caesar]

This idea you have of people joining the public service just to get pregnant is batty.

I didn’t say that

But it’s a big factor in a lot of women’s career choices

 

[Chief]

I didn’t say that

But it’s a big factor in a lot of women’s career choices

I would say lots of women want to work at a place they aren't treated like lepers for having a baby.

 

[Caesar]

I would say lots of women want to work at a place they aren't treated like lepers for having a baby.

Quite possibly

Am just saying, it’s a significant factor in women being overrepresented in the public service

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Fwiw the depts I've dealt with everyone is back in a year or less. This idea you have of people joining the public service just to get pregnant is batty. It's just that they don't sack people for getting pregnant (and in my book re-engineering your role to encourage you to quit is sacking you, and it's something I've seen done a bit in the private sector)

Maternity leave & flexible working arrangements in the public sector are far better than the private sector on average, that's the main appeal of working for the private sector and likely why many people (not just women) seek those jobs out when they reach their 30's and realise that their priorities are more than just working. "Joining the public service just to get pregnant" is probably an overstatement but taking a job in the public sector which has a better balance between work and family life is not.

It's like in my profession, when men get sick of working every day they go and get a job at a council.

 

[Rob R]

If the Victorian public service follows the same trend as the federal public service I've looked into then it is heavily populated by women but the management is filled with more men.

So there's something to get upset about.

Given Dans propensity to use women as scape goats and his enabling of the bullying of female ministers, it would not be surprising to see less women in senior roles or at least a higher turnover.

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[medusala]

I would say lots of women want to work at a place they aren't treated like lepers for having a baby.

Yeah brilliant. Tell a small business they have to hold a job open for years with no clue as to whether someone will come back and then face extra costs or unfair dismissal.

But why would Dan give a stuff? He has ZERO skin in the game. Just another B.Origami type who believes in the magic money tree.

NSW have it, thought Victoria did too but perhaps I am remembering wrong

If not there are comparable lurks

Public service is very cushy for maternity compared to the private sector

IIRC its extraordinarily generous re teachers in Vic.

 

[Chief]

Tell a small business they have to hold a job open for years

Years? What?

 

[medusala]

Years? What?

https://education.vic.gov.au/hrweb/Documents/Parental-Absence-TS-Guide.pdf

Overview The purpose of parental absence is to enable an employee to be absent from duty for a total of seven years following or in conjunction with the birth, adoption or otherwise becoming the legal parent of one or more children.

 

[Chief]

https://education.vic.gov.au/hrweb/Documents/Parental-Absence-TS-Guide.pdf

Overview The purpose of parental absence is to enable an employee to be absent from duty for a total of seven years following or in conjunction with the birth, adoption or otherwise becoming the legal parent of one or more children.

You said small business?

 

[medusala]

You said small business?

Yes. Extending public sector maternity rules to small business would crush huge numbers of businesses. Even so many small businesses do not want to hire young women due to the cost of maternity leave. With two equal candidates the rational choice is for a male over a woman who is likely to have one or more children. They also tend to do better re employment tribunals.