Griffin

[tinman]

Re: Griffen

none of those things have sweet flock all to do with his footy ability and potential.

younger does not make him a better player or increase his potential
taller does not make him a better player or increase his potential
heavier does not make him a better player or increase his potential.

what matters is how he plays the game, and griffin has done far more on the field.

I agree with everything you've said, but sometimes these tall blokes can make a world of improvement in a year.

But always take runs on the board........all day every day.

I'd take Griff ahead of Warnock. No player is un-tradeable if the right deal comes along.......even Buddy. Of course the likelihood of him being traded is slender (and I'm not suggesting a Griff/Buddy trade for any peanuts reading - just the point that everyone is tradeable).

For mine it would take a killer deal to trade Griff. Take a look around an see how difficult he would be to replace.

 

[J-Ro-20]

Re: Griffen

For mine it would take a killer deal to trade Griff. Take a look around an see how difficult he would be to replace.

I agree with you, i really do bigmen are so important.

But just imagine if Adelaide were able to pick up another top 10 pick. I'm sure we all would pop open the champagne bottles...

 

[Jars458]

Re: Griffen

Gibbs just finished top 5 in Carlton's B&F in his 2nd season, and is really looking the goods; he aint going anywhere.

Far more than likely not. I also think we should keep Griffin.

But if Griffin wants to go and he is contracted we therefore hold the cards we should try and use him as leverage for something we want.

An elite player (preferably a forward, but who is available?) is what we want.

Gibbs although only a convenient example would seem to be a possibiliy as far as what we would go for (as Spring Choke said Griffen a better option but in the context of Warnock they are not involved).

But to get him we would have to give up something. It seems to me that most crows people advocating an aggresive apporach in trading want to get something but don't want to give anything.

To get a Gibbs \ Griffen (substitue whoever you think we need of star quality) we would need to give something in return. Griffin and Mackay (or similar value, eg Reilly) would be where we would need to start.

However suggest givng up anything of value and most people have an apolexy.

A bit or realism is required.

 

[NTRabbit]

Re: Griffen

the moment you use the word unless, you contradict yourself entirely.

might be best to take a breath and think about what you're posting.

Richmond actively engaged WCE last year about veale dealing Judd to them, to the point they started complaining in the media about how their offer was higher than what carlton offered. (arguable, but the point holds).

Richmond may have been making offers, but they were never in any form of negotiations with anyone once Judd had nominated his club of preference. Richmond were bleating because both the Eagles and Judd were refusing to talk to them.

Do you even understand the concept?

 

[Postman_Pav]

Re: Griffen

Richmond may have been making offers, but they were never in any form of negotiations with anyone once Judd had nominated his club of preference. Richmond were bleating because both the Eagles and Judd were refusing to talk to them.

Do you even understand the concept?

Um, no.

WC and Tigers were in talks up until the Judd trade occurred on Thursday of trade week.

There are articles stipulating these meetings but I cant be bothered finding them as it is common knowledge.

 

[MickyCrow]

Re: Griffen

Exactly!!

I don't want to trade Griffin at all.

He's a quality ruckman in the making and he and Maric will end up one of, if not the premier pair of ruckmen in the AFL in a couple of years time.

As you say, an injury to Maric and our whole structure becomes decimated if Griffin goes.

If he insists on going home then I'd screw Freo's arms and legs off - he is a contracted player FFS!!

None of this second round bullshit.

Glad we are thinking the same thing macca

Hes contracted, pick 3 or nothing.

I dont care if its unreasonable, if they dont wanna deal he stays, simple

 

[coast2coast]

Re: Griffen

none of those things have sweet flock all to do with his footy ability and potential.

younger does not make him a better player or increase his potential
taller does not make him a better player or increase his potential
heavier does not make him a better player or increase his potential.

what matters is how he plays the game, and griffin has done far more on the field.

wrong.

robert warnock-
career games: 21
avg kicks: 5
avg handballs: 5.4
avg marks: 3.0
avg goals. 0.2
avg tackles: 1.3
avg hitouts: 9.2

jon griffin-
career games: 28
avg kicks: 3.9
avg handballs: 3.0
avg marks: 2.5
avg goals: 0.2
avg tackles: 1.2
avg hitouts: 12.3

 

[Accepted 04]

Would you take pick 26 and Meyer/Hughes for Griffin?

Meyer is a mid/back flanker with a good kick
Hughes is a full forward that dominated the VFL and kicked 6 against Port

 

[Eastern Crow]

Would you take pick 26 and Meyer/Hughes for Griffin?

Meyer is a mid/back flanker with a good kick
Hughes is a full forward that dominated the VFL and kicked 6 against Port

IMO
Griffin would not go to a Vic club

He is contracted to Adel, the only reason he woild want to leave adel is to head back home to WA

 

[BunjiMac]

It wouldn't suprise to see Griff go back to Perth next year. I have seen the boys out on a few occassions after a game and notice that Griff didn't really socialise with the main group of youngsters (Maric, Vince, Knights Douglas etc etc ) and didn't really seem to fit in with the group. Although I guess that doesnt really mean much ....

 

[macca23]

It wouldn't suprise to see Griff go back to Perth next year. I have seen the boys out on a few occassions after a game and notice that Griff didn't really socialise with the main group of youngsters (Maric, Vince, Knights Douglas etc etc ) and didn't really seem to fit in with the group. Although I guess that doesnt really mean much ....

No, it doesn't.

Althought his case is different because he's a local, Tredrea has never socialised with the rest of the Port team.

 

[Pietmans]

I must admit that I'm getting so tired of threads with absolutely no substance behind them.

The season has ended, Griffin is under contract and despite all of the inuendo on this forum no-one has been able to quote any source as to this rumour - eg Griffin himself or his agent.

We have just lived through the supposed 'Johncock is going to Port' thread, denied even by his agent; and the Rucci lies about the Wednesday training session before the final game being too tough when in fact it was one of the lightest for the year. Everyone gets all upset until (and even after) it is found to be all made up.

I have listened to Neil Craig's mid week interview and in it he talked up the teams ruck stocks and particularly talked about Griffin being potentially a top line ruckman and also possibly being able to provide an option up forward. He obviously isn't aware of any proposed trade. Since Griffin is contracted he would need to be if Griffin wanted out.

All of the conjecture about what Griffin would be worth on the trade table is useless until he actually asks for a trade. I for one don't think there is any more substance to this rumour than the other two mentioned above.

 

[Alex99]

I must admit that I'm getting so tired of threads with absolutely no substance behind them.

The season has ended, Griffin is under contract and despite all of the inuendo on this forum no-one has been able to quote any source as to this rumour - eg Griffin himself or his agent.

I agree with what you are saying about unsubstantiated rumours but did anyone have a credible source for Marty Mattner going to Sydney last year?

Just because someone hasn’t identified a source, doesn’t mean it not true.

 

[AndrewJo]

I must admit that I'm getting so tired of threads with absolutely no substance behind them.

The season has ended, Griffin is under contract and despite all of the inuendo on this forum no-one has been able to quote any source as to this rumour - eg Griffin himself or his agent.

We have just lived through the supposed 'Johncock is going to Port' thread, denied even by his agent; and the Rucci lies about the Wednesday training session before the final game being too tough when in fact it was one of the lightest for the year. Everyone gets all upset until (and even after) it is found to be all made up.

I have listened to Neil Craig's mid week interview and in it he talked up the teams ruck stocks and particularly talked about Griffin being potentially a top line ruckman and also possibly being able to provide an option up forward. He obviously isn't aware of any proposed trade. Since Griffin is contracted he would need to be if Griffin wanted out.

All of the conjecture about what Griffin would be worth on the trade table is useless until he actually asks for a trade. I for one don't think there is any more substance to this rumour than the other two mentioned above.

Agree with this post 100%. Unfortunately most of the posts leading up to trade week and draft periods are just ideas/thoughts with little or no substance. Bit like some of the Sunday Mail columnists who just take a post from Big Footy and treat it as fact.

 

[Pietmans]

I agree with what you are saying about unsubstantiated rumours but did anyone have a credible source for Marty Mattner going to Sydney last year?

Just because someone hasn’t identified a source, doesn’t mean it not true.

I know what you are saying but my understanding is that Mattner didn't ask to leave - he was headhunted and offered a better contract during trade week. That could happen to Griffin as well but the rumours are saying that he wants out, actually from as far back as mid-season. As a contracted player he would have to approach the club at season's end and ask for a trade - he can't initiate it himself being contracted. Just like Stenglein there would have been publicity and a press conference I would have thought if this was the case.

We'll have to wait and see but from Craig's interview Griffin is a long term required player and it would seem that Craig believes that he's with them for the long term at this stage.

 

[AndrewJo]

I agree with what you are saying about unsubstantiated rumours but did anyone have a credible source for Marty Mattner going to Sydney last year?

Just because someone hasn’t identified a source, doesn’t mean it not true.

I understand what you are saying crows98. I would not expect anyone to identify their source, for obvious reasons. The "rumours" that I get annoyed with are those that are really only a figment of posters' imagination and the Jonathon Griffin rumours have spread so wildly that people are starting to believe them.
I posted one last draft time about a potential draftee who was told by the Crows he would be picked as their 3rd draft pick, if he was available and had looked over the Crows training facility.People wanted to know my source but I wasn't going to divulge his name. As it turned out he was taken before that pick came up. He ended up injured this year but could have been (and maybe still will be) a top forward.
By all means continue to post the "rumours" but only the ones with some semblance of fact.

 

[toddflanders]

It wouldn't suprise to see Griff go back to Perth next year. I have seen the boys out on a few occassions after a game and notice that Griff didn't really socialise with the main group of youngsters (Maric, Vince, Knights Douglas etc etc ) and didn't really seem to fit in with the group. Although I guess that doesnt really mean much ....

well one time i saw the boys out and griff gave the other boys a funny look...i reckon thats a good enough reason to trade him

 

[macca23]

I agree with what you are saying about unsubstantiated rumours but did anyone have a credible source for Marty Mattner going to Sydney last year?
Just because someone hasn’t identified a source, doesn’t mean it not true.

Yes - I did.

I had the good fortune to have an in depth conversation with a leading Crows player who amongst many other things told me that Mattner was very unlikely to be with the Crows in 2008.

He said that the players had advised Mattner to accept alternative offers as his instinctive game had been gradually reduced to a very poor level under Craig's regimented demands.

Go back and check my posts before last year's trade period - you'll see I posted this at that time..

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: Griffen

Richmond may have been making offers, but they were never in any form of negotiations with anyone once Judd had nominated his club of preference. Richmond were bleating because both the Eagles and Judd were refusing to talk to them.

Do you even understand the concept?

listen champ, you've shown pretty clearly you're not exactly in a position to be talking understanding and conceptual grasp to others.

you just sit there, and watch the issues go over your head. there's a good lad.

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: Griffen

Um, no.

WC and Tigers were in talks up until the Judd trade occurred on Thursday of trade week.

There are articles stipulating these meetings but I cant be bothered finding them as it is common knowledge.

indeed.

 

[Crow-mo]

Re: Griffen

wrong.

robert warnock-
career games: 21
avg kicks: 5
avg handballs: 5.4
avg marks: 3.0
avg goals. 0.2
avg tackles: 1.3
avg hitouts: 9.2

jon griffin-
career games: 28
avg kicks: 3.9
avg handballs: 3.0
avg marks: 2.5
avg goals: 0.2
avg tackles: 1.2
avg hitouts: 12.3

why don't you look at 2008, and learn to read a stats page?
you going to have to understand them sometime.

in 3 games alone, Griffen topped warnocks entire season hitout tally.

he's a ruckman, you may (or not) have noticed.

 

[Crow-mo]

I know what you are saying but my understanding is that Mattner didn't ask to leave - he was headhunted and offered a better contract during trade week.

No.

Paul Roos himself admitted in a recent article they'd been in contact for months with Mattner.

 

[Alex99]

Yes - I did.

I had the good fortune to have an in depth conversation with a leading Crows player who amongst many other things told me that Mattner was very unlikely to be with the Crows in 2008.

He said that the players had advised Mattner to accept alternative offers as his instinctive game had been gradually reduced to a very poor level under Craig's regimented demands.

Go back and check my posts before last year's trade period - you'll see I posted this at that time..

No need I believe you, there are very few people on Big Footy who have any credibility, you would be one of the very few who actually does. If you say something 95% of the time it’s correct.

 

[coast2coast]

Re: Griffen

why don't you look at 2008, and learn to read a stats page?
you going to have to understand them sometime.

in 3 games alone, Griffen topped warnocks entire season hitout tally.

he's a ruckman, you may (or not) have noticed.

Yes, but Griffin was our lead ruckman in the games he played this year whereas Warnock had Sandilands in front of him. And Griffin is older. But with the exception of Griff's games against Carlton and North Melbourne, their output has clearly been similar. You can argue against that all you want, but it won't make you right.

It's also a worthless argument, because I completely agree that Griffin is a very promising ruckman who has a good career ahead of him.

There's no need to get blue in the face if I think Warnock is slightly more promising. There's plenty of people who agree with me, as will be seen if they're traded next month. If Griffin fetches more for Adelaide than Warnock does for Freo I'll happily be proven wrong.

 

[macca23]

Channel 9 trotted out the old

Warnock to Carlton

Griffin to Fremantle

Something to the Crows - no details of course

in their sports news tonight.

Obviously no-one on Channel 9 listens to 5AA as they would have heard Craig emphatically saying last week that Griffin is going nowhere as he is contracted and a required player, and further to that has indicated to Craig that he wants to stay here.

Still that might have ruined a good rumour - and they need something for their news with no SA side left in the finals.