Group C Thread

[magtrev]

ps i wasnt being serious

 

[ashley12]

Gerrard was instrumental in our seventh place finish, that's for sure. Has been utter gash for the last year, and not to mention an complete knobend to go with it.

His interview after the game just re-inforced exactly why this collection of pompous, arrogant, overrated clowns will never win anything.

"Yeah we should have won and deserved to win, but it was their cup final."

Algeria were by far the better team. Cup final my arse. That implies you're a good team Gerrard. The reality is that you're an average bunch of plodders.

Hope Slovenia send these dipshits packing.

Angry response, as if you had been hit by a bus or something...

 

[GrandBlue]

I see you failed to mention the pile of crap performance from the player that SWP replaced as well..? SWP was only marginally better than Lennon, but I think it's hilarious that you target Sweep rather than taking off your yid glasses!

You idiot, so much for watching the game. Lennon was probably England's best. He actually showed skill and created most of their chances.

Hope Slovenia get a draw. Will make it perfectly clear that Capello is an average coach. If the poms are to win their next game, they're actually gonna have to start bloody attacking. Get Heskey off, he's not a goal threat and he's not exactaly helping Rooney score either .

 

[TheStinger]

ps i wasnt being serious

Never can tell around here. My philosophy, shoot first and don't bother asking questions later.

 

[r dub 19]

Angry response, as if you were mark webber and hit by a team mate or something...

EFA

 

[AG]

Get Heskey off, he's not a goal threat and he's not exactaly helping Rooney score either .

Rooney isn't helping himself either. Rooney should be in a poll for the worse player in the tournament so far. England need him to be world class and he is far from it. Heskey has been better than him.

 

[Benno_900]

Yep. And SWP is as useless in the PL as well. The main reason he's a bit part player at every club which is too good for him that he always chooses to play for.

To be fair, he returned to Man City before the Arabs bought them.

 

[GrandBlue]

Rooney isn't helping himself either. Rooney should be in a poll for the worse player in the tournament so far. England need him to be world class and he is far from it. Heskey has been better than him.

Agreed, I stated previously he was utter garbage against Algeria and IMO, has been the biggest disappointment of the tournament. You still wouldn't drop him ahead of Heskey though, so long as the potential is there. Heskey needs to go because England really do need goals and Heskey isn't going to get them any.

 

[Power King]

Overall, its a situation that is why I have two TV's in my loungeroom...

lol brilliant

Cmon Slovenia

this needed to be quoted again.

LULZ

England will probably make it through but wow has Capello's tactics/selections been average or what.

Their passing was all over the place and their players off-the-ball movement was static. Algeria made them look like a school boys team. Utter garbage from England.

whilst capello made some poor decisions, the english players were more timid than a 13 year old boy seeing a T**ty in the flesh for the first time.

players in scoring position laying off passes ffs

capello cops part of the blame, but players deserve to be criticised as well. not purely a matter of coach chose the wrong players

No wonder england are shit when hacks like Heskey get a game.

what's not shown in this gif is the pass he attempted to make after it...

Utter bullshit.

No coincidence that most of England's chances came through Lennon. I don't think Lennon had a great game but there were plenty worse out there.

SWP is an awful excuse for a footballer. Give me Young or Walcott anyday.

i was very surprised that capello took lennon off. say what you will about lennon, he seemed to be the only one trying to create something prior to being subbed off. actually ran at the defenders when he had the ball looking for an option. only player on the pitch that was breathing, so to speak

Gerrard was instrumental in our seventh place finish, that's for sure. Has been utter gash for the last year, and not to mention an complete knobend to go with it.

His interview after the game just re-inforced exactly why this collection of pompous, arrogant, overrated clowns will never win anything.

"Yeah we should have won and deserved to win, but it was their cup final."

Algeria were by far the better team. Cup final my arse. That implies you're a good team Gerrard. The reality is that you're an average bunch of plodders.

Hope Slovenia send these dipshits packing.

gerrard was a complete ****wit in that interview.

the comment about it being their cup final, even after the match was OVER, shows what little respect he as captain has for their team.

deserves to be slaughtered in the media for those comments, just ridiculous

 

[Crimson King]

whilst capello made some poor decisions, the english players were more timid than a 13 year old boy seeing a T**ty in the flesh for the first time.

players in scoring position laying off passes ffs

capello cops part of the blame, but players deserve to be criticised as well. not purely a matter of coach chose the wrong players

Both deserve equal criticism, imo. Capello for his team selection/match tactics and the players for their insipid, garbage performance.

Either way, I expect them to progress.

 

[Power King]

Both deserve equal criticism, imo. Capello for his team selection/match tactics and the players for their insipid, garbage performance.

Either way, I expect them to progress.

Agreed.

At one stage (prior to Lippi first becoming coach), I really wanted Capello to coach Italy. Retrospective embarrassment for the win

 

[AG]

Agreed, I stated previously he was utter garbage against Algeria and IMO, has been the biggest disappointment of the tournament. You still wouldn't drop him ahead of Heskey though, so long as the potential is there. Heskey needs to go because England really do need goals and Heskey isn't going to get them any.

Agree with all that.

I think all the criticism directed at Heskey is unfair though. He has pretty much played as expected, so the blame should be on Capello in regards to Heskey because it is a selection issue rather than a form issue. Rooney hasn't looked close to he is best and it's not good enough because teams need their superstars to be at their best to win the cup. Rooney has failed big time so far.

 

[Power King]

Heskey seems to be playing his role to the capcity that should be expected of him.

I wouldn't criticise him, but rather his selection, if anything.

Did people expect him to morph into a Vieri or Rivaldo circa 2002?

Actually, off the top of my head, he looks like he cares more about winning than most of his other teammates.

 

[BlowJobe]

Heskey certainly hasn't been the worst.

However, he will be dropped before Rooney every day of the week.

 

[bisazc887]

I know it near impossible that this will play out but what happens if Both the last games are drawn, it would mean England and USA are on level points at 3 draws, both fighting for the 2nd spot,both with the same Goal difference, Usa would have more for but more against, they wouldnt be playing each other for penaltys to decide it so what happens?

 

[SebastianVettel]

I know it near impossible that this will play out but what happens if Both the last games are drawn, it would mean England and USA are on level points at 3 draws, both fighting for the 2nd spot,both with the same Goal difference, Usa would have more for but more against, they wouldnt be playing each other for penaltys to decide it so what happens?

At present USA would go through because they have scored two more goals.

So if both games were draws, then as I understand it, England would need to have a draw where three more goals were scored than in the US game to go through.

If it was a score draw that was 2 goals better (say Algeria/USA 0-0 and England/Slovenia 2-2) then as I understand it, it would come down to a drawing of lots - because they'd be tied on every other tiebreaker.

 

[GrandBlue]

Now that England need goals, will Defoe start?

 

[bisazc887]

At present USA would go through because they have scored two more goals.

So if both games were draws, then as I understand it, England would need to have a draw where three more goals were scored than in the US game to go through.

If it was a score draw that was 2 goals better (say Algeria/USA 0-0 and England/Slovenia 2-2) then as I understand it, it would come down to a drawing of lots - because they'd be tied on every other tiebreaker.

Thanx, cleared up my main question although just a query on the last paragraph what do you mean drawing of lots? Say if they both finished 3 draws, 3 points, 4 goals for and 4 against....do you mean it would be England because they were drawn there own group or something else?

 

[r dub 19]

Now that England need goals, will Defoe start?

Doubt it.

 

[SebastianVettel]

Thanx, cleared up my main question although just a query on the last paragraph what do you mean drawing of lots? Say if they both finished 3 draws, 3 points, 4 goals for and 4 against....do you mean it would be England because they were drawn there own group or something else?

I think drawing lots is basically the equivelant of a coin toss. I'm not exactly sure how it works!

 

[Benno_900]

I think drawing lots is basically the equivelant of a coin toss. I'm not exactly sure how it works!

The last one was two fishbowls and two balls in each. First bowl contains country names and second one the positions (2nd and 3rd).

 

[that_dood]

Now that England need goals, will Defoe start?

Is Wigan the opponent?

 

[Footy Smarts]

Lampard and Gerrard are absloutely vital to their respective sides, and the same can be said for Rooney and Terry.

To say that they don't play a major role is severly underrating them, and probably overrating a number of other players as well.

Rooney I agree with and Lampard's definitely an important player for Chelsea but I wouldn't say he's in their most important 3 or 4. Terry arguably shouldn't be in Chelsea's best 11 and at the very least is very replaceable and likewise with Gerrard who has been pretty ordinary in the last year.

Also these guys, apart from Rooney, are known for being hard workers, organisers and leaders. They aren't stars because they're brilliant technically. These guys are great when they can do the hard work and let the individual brilliance of other players play a role too. But for England, there aren't the supremely skillful players to then do the work that these guys can't do. Hence Gerrard and Lampard are being asked to create play from midfield which they don't need to do at their clubs and aren't good at.

These guys are good players but, apart from maybe Rooney, they don't have the individual brilliance of players like Messi, Ronaldo, Robben, etc. Every other major challenger has at least 2 of these quality ball players whereas England don't. Sure they're in the top 10 teams in South Africa but I wouldn't have them ahead of any of Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Spain or Holland.

 

[Crimson King]

Terry arguably shouldn't be in Chelsea's best 11 and at the very least is very replaceable and likewise with Gerrard who has been pretty ordinary in the last year.

You what?

 

[DB10]

on the basis of a being a complete and utter shit human being he shouldn't.