Group C Thread

[Footy Smarts]

You what?

He's an important leader at Chelsea but he's hardly the most skillful player. Over the last season I've heard many Chelsea supporters back Carvalho and Alex as better players but both have had injuries over the last couple of years so Terry's spot hasn't really been pressured. More importantly though it helps him that he can play next to a better ball player when he's playing domestically rather than Carragher who simply isn't up to this level.

 

[AG]

He's a CB, he's not meant to be the most skillful player. He is better than Carvalho at least.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

He's an important leader at Chelsea but he's hardly the most skillful player. Over the last season I've heard many Chelsea supporters back Carvalho and Alex as better players but both have had injuries over the last couple of years so Terry's spot hasn't really been pressured. More importantly though it helps him that he can play next to a better ball player when he's playing domestically rather than Carragher who simply isn't up to this level.

Alex better? lol. Classic

Terry is their most important defender.

 

[Dagger5]

"Big Man" Terry really thinks he should still be captain. It really must be eating away at him that even after Ferdinand got injured that he was overlooked.

The man is a walking ego and a **** and I really can't think of a player I can't stand more. Even Gary Neville is more likeable than him which is saying something.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

"Big Man" Terry really thinks he should still be captain. It really must be eating away at him that even after Ferdinand got injured that he was overlooked.

The man is a walking ego and a **** and I really can't think of a player I can't stand more. Even Gary Neville is more likeable than him which is saying something.

i know a chick that use to go with Terry years ago before he hooked up with his now wife and she said he was very much up himself and acted that way. Massive massive gambler as well.

 

[Dagger5]

i know a chick that use to go with Terry years ago before he hooked up with his now wife and she said he was very much up himself and acted that way. Massive massive gambler as well.

Ive seen a story about him other numerous other forums about where he went to restuarant and asked for something not on the menu. When they said he couldn't have it, he chucked a tantrum. He kept saying that he was John Terry so it doesn't matter if they didn't have the food he wanted until the restuarant gave in. Don't know if its 100% accurate but suffice to say, to call him a w***er is an understatement.

 

[Big Cox]

Are we seriously talking about John Terry being a uphimself w***er. Whats next, a 2 hour debate on the color of the sky. Everyone knows hes a w***er. End of. It wasnt Englands problem 6 months ago to be honest. If England actually had some decent cover he probably wouldnt be as key as he is to the squad. I mean look at who is starting with him. Matthew Upson. THE top 3 worst performed CB of 2009/10 in the EPL and hes gonna start for England. Really says alot about Capellos mindset and Englands mindset in whole

Ironically they play it so safe with team selection it actually ends up being a risk.

 

[AG]

I don't know why Terry is like he is because his parents are lovely citizens.

 

[Big Cox]

I don't know why Terry is like he is because his parents are lovely citizens.

I think too much pressure on him was placed too early for him and he just cracked. People were talking Terry up when he was bloody 16 and that wasnt the norm back in the day he was coming through. People expected too much of him and his w***erish attitude and demeanor is just his way of getting payback from a world he thinks is asking too much from him.

The 100k+ wages isnt enough reward. I guess he needs the mental reward that comes from the mindgames he plays

 

[Crimson King]

He's an important leader at Chelsea but he's hardly the most skillful player. Over the last season I've heard many Chelsea supporters back Carvalho and Alex as better players but both have had injuries over the last couple of years so Terry's spot hasn't really been pressured. More importantly though it helps him that he can play next to a better ball player when he's playing domestically rather than Carragher who simply isn't up to this level.

Fair enough.

It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. But like others have said in this thread, I think he is their most important defender. Before the news over his affair broke out, he was probably the best performing defender and was in the best form of his career.

 

[Big Cox]

Fair enough.

It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. But like others have said in this thread, I think he is their most important defender. Before the news over his affair broke out, he was probably the best performing defender and was in the best form of his career.

Chelsea dont have a most important defender. The depth they have is so strong its insulting really. Ivanovic is what 4th choice CB? Insane. Terry is coming off a bad year its fair to say. Chelseas defence was all at sea until Alex and Ivanovic stepped in. Those 2 are the real hero of 2010 for them. Do you remember the amount of goals they leaked from set pieces before Alex came in?

 

[apollo_creed]

Chelsea dont have a most important defender. The depth they have is so strong its insulting really. Ivanovic is what 4th choice CB? Insane. Terry is coming off a bad year its fair to say. Chelseas defence was all at sea until Alex and Ivanovic stepped in. Those 2 are the real hero of 2010 for them. Do you remember the amount of goals they leaked from set pieces before Alex came in?

No, Terry is not coming off a bad year. Their was a bad patch but that doesn't make his whole season shit.

His first 1/3 and final 1/3 of the season ranged from decent to great form.

But it wouldn't be like you to exaggerate about anything.

 

[apollo_creed]

"Big Man" Terry really thinks he should still be captain. It really must be eating away at him that even after Ferdinand got injured that he was overlooked.

The man is a walking ego and a **** and I really can't think of a player I can't stand more. Even Gary Neville is more likeable than him which is saying something.

Either way mate he is a natural on field leader and the sort of player who commands the captaincy with the manner of his football/bravery on the field.

The off-field stuff ****ed him up.

Because without that he's the only proper candidate to wear the armband.

 

[apollo_creed]

on the basis of a being a complete and utter shit human being he shouldn't.

that he is.

 

[Big Cox]

No, Terry is not coming off a bad year. Their was a bad patch but that doesn't make his whole season shit.

His first 1/3 and final 1/3 of the season ranged from decent to great form.

But it wouldn't be like you to exaggerate about anything.

It does when you play for Chelsea surely? Players of that calibre earning that wage cant afford to have a horror run like he did early on in the year. You got to admit Alex outperformed Terry at the end of the year and fairly comfortably too? He had a meh year all in all which is a bad year for him because for a while now hes easily been the 2nd best defender in England. This year he would not be in that category (would still make the top 10)

 

[Footy Smarts]

Fair enough.

It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. But like others have said in this thread, I think he is their most important defender. Before the news over his affair broke out, he was probably the best performing defender and was in the best form of his career.

I'm really not arguing that Terry's a bad player. He's a very good player. The issue is more the difference in players around the good players. If you look at the role the England players do for their domestic teams it's generally a workmanlike role and the flair is left to other players. How they get to the world cup and they don't have anybody with an ounce of creativity. Rooney's a good finisher, strong and good on the break but teams can double mark him because England don't have anybody else that can really hurt them in the final third. Compare that to Argentina, Germany, Spain and Brazil and they've got a bunch of players working together meaning multiple avenues to goal. Whereas with England once you nullify Rooney it's pretty much set pieces or a bomb from midfield which, considering their defence isn't particularly strong is unlikely to take them deep into the tournament.

 

[apollo_creed]

Alex and Cole both had outstanding seasons.

 

[Big Cox]

Alex and Cole both had outstanding seasons.

Better than Terry its fair to say...

 

[Pumbi]

There is quite a gap between outstanding and poor though. There is no doubt Terry had his poor patches, but so did Chelsea. On the whole, he was a solid contributor.

 

[Crimson King]

Chelsea dont have a most important defender.

You're kidding right? He might not be as strong as Alex in the air but what he does better than most is that he commands his defence. He keeps them organized and is a natural leader out on the park. That in itself makes him their most important defender. Alex is just a bulldozer.

The depth they have is so strong its insulting really. Ivanovic is what 4th choice CB? Insane.

Never mentioned anything about their depth but I agree with you.

Terry is coming off a bad year its fair to say. Chelseas defence was all at sea until Alex and Ivanovic stepped in. Those 2 are the real hero of 2010 for them. Do you remember the amount of goals they leaked from set pieces before Alex came in?

Like AC said, you're going over the top there.

 

[Big Cox]

There is quite a gap between outstanding and poor though. There is no doubt Terry had his poor patches, but so did Chelsea. On the whole, he was a solid contributor.

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[Dagger5]

Either way mate he is a natural on field leader and the sort of player who commands the captaincy with the manner of his football/bravery on the field.

The off-field stuff ****ed him up.

Because without that he's the only proper candidate to wear the armband.

That is not in dispute, he is a better leader than Gerrard.

The Bridge incident cost him any chance of being captain in South Africa and some of the trust of his teammates I bet.

 

[Power King]

USA had two points robbed from them against slovenia in what was the worst decision of any kind i've seen in the tournament thus far

Plus, I like the states, where as england can suck my bum

I'll be cheering for the states to win against algeria and rightfully get into qualifying position, and i'll be cheering slovenia to hang on for a draw purely for the lulz that will be delivered

 

[belfast_bomber]

**** that. I'll be cheering for Slovenia and USA to win!

 

[wotdoiput]

Go Slovenia and Algeria I say!