grover

[Croat tiger]

what's the deal with grover from freo .the tigers are very keen to
pick him up in the psd.is he any good or just another overated hack?

 

[Darth_Tiger]

dont know alot about him, but has some height about him. the dockers site lists him at 188cm same as bowden. also says he sets up play from the backline, if this is true he could be a good aquisition, at 24 plenty of footy left in him. anyone more in the know than me feel free to elaborate or contradict.

 

[Croat tiger]

dont know alot about him, but has some height about him. the dockers site lists him at 188cm same as bowden. also says he sets up play from the backline, if this is true he could be a good aquisition, at 24 plenty of footy left in him. anyone more in the know than me feel free to elaborate or contradict.

i think i would have preferred polak had he not signed a new contract with the dockers.

 

[Darth_Tiger]

heck i would have done a dance if we had gotten polak! grover i would be mildly happy about. i think he is better than whatever else is on offer, but not having seen him play much i could be wrong.

 

[Tambo]

http://fremantlefc.com.au

Has missed only five games in the past two years, four of them late last
season after breaking a hand. Has developed into a strong and steady half-back flanker who was one of the team’s best in the elimination final loss to Essendon. Solid in the air and provides regular drive in a backline that has significantly improved.
Draft history: 1999 rookie elevation (Fremantle).

stats
Round Date vs. K H P M HO T FF FA G B
Round 3 11/04/2004 Adelaide 13 8 21 5 0 0 0 0 1 0
Round 4 18/04/2004 Collingwood 14 2 16 8 0 2 1 1 0 1
Round 5 25/04/2004 Geelong 9 8 17 2 0 1 1 0 0 0
Round 6 01/05/2004 West Coast Eagles 11 1 12 5 1 1 0 0 1 0
Round 7 08/05/2004 St Kilda 5 5 10 0 0 6 0 0 0 0
Round 8 16/05/2004 Hawthorn 8 4 12 5 0 3 0 0 0 0
Round 9 22/05/2004 Brisbane Lions 11 4 15 4 0 1 0 0 0 1
Round 10 28/05/2004 Essendon 9 5 14 9 0 3 0 0 0 0
Round 11 06/06/2004 Melbourne 9 11 20 4 0 5 2 1 0 0
Round 12 13/06/2004 Richmond 6 2 8 2 0 2 1 0 0 0
Round 13 19/06/2004 Port Adelaide 3 3 6 2 0 5 0 0 1 0
Round 14 04/07/2004 Western Bulldogs 8 6 14 2 0 0 2 2 0 0
Round 15 10/07/2004 Kangaroos 8 2 10 2 0 1 4 0 1 0
Round 17 24/07/2004 Sydney Swans 8 7 15 4 0 1 1 0 1 0
Round 18 31/07/2004 Carlton 9 7 16 2 0 2 0 1 0 0
Round 19 06/08/2004 Collingwood 3 2 5 0 0 4 0 0 0 0
Round 20 14/08/2004 Geelong 5 1 6 0 0 1 0 1 0 0
Round 22 28/08/2004 St Kilda 12 5 17 5 0 1 0 0 0 0

cheers! HF!

 

[Tambo]

soz! i forgot to add this!

Guernsey Number: 14
Height 188cm
Weight: 91kg
Recruited From: Subiaco (WA)
Debut: 1999
Date of Birth: 11 March 1980

 

[JohnF]

From the few games I have seen he seems to have poor decision-making, but he does go in and gives a good contest.

IMO we should skip on the PSD pick. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose by gambling on a speculative kid high up in the draft.

 

[Moo]

I'd be sorry to see Grover go.

Can run through the lines and is a solid defensive player, certainly is fringe.

You would benefit from the apprenticeship and at 24 he is over the rookie mistakes. I am hoping he stays.

 

[UpTheGuts]

I recall seeing him do some decent things in a Perth match a few years ago - seemed pretty aggro and I recall wanting someone to belt him, which I guess is a good sign. Then again, hasn't progressed a great deal it seems and if he's leaving Freo then it must be money-related. Me thinks that money could be spent elsewhere

 

[Weaver]

He is not a legitimate key position type, he basically plays in the back pocket and only gets the ball when he gets to play loose in defence and be the linkman running out of the backline.

The reason the Dockers have offered him a contract at a reduced rate is because they see him as a guy they have to replace if they are going to get any better.

We need a genuine CHB/FB if we are going to take a veteran player. With Bowden, A.Kellaway, Jackson and Moore all wanting that 3rd tall defender spot why bring in competition. Furthermore that 5th-6th best defender spot is the ideal place to blood the likes of Deledio, other draft picks, and give players like Roach, Gilmour and co. some experience.

FB: Gaspar, Hall, Moore
CHB: Bowden, Schulz, Morrison
3rd Tall: A.Kellaway, Jackson, (Zantuck), (Hilton), Archibald
Flankers (x 2): Pettifer, Gilmour, Roach, (Deledio), Tuck, Raines
Small Defender : Newman, Hartigan, Krakouer

We saw last year that the HBF is the place for the likes of Hartigan and Pettifer to play their 20 minutes a quarter and begin their apprenticeships. We should be keeping those spots open to rotate kids through. Not crowding them up with a dud like Grover.

 

[sante]

He is not a legitimate key position type, he basically plays in the back pocket and only gets the ball when he gets to play loose in defence and be the linkman running out of the backline.

The reason the Dockers have offered him a contract at a reduced rate is because they see him as a guy they have to replace if they are going to get any better.

We need a genuine CHB/FB if we are going to take a veteran player. With Bowden, A.Kellaway, Jackson and Moore all wanting that 3rd tall defender spot why bring in competition. Furthermore that 5th-6th best defender spot is the ideal place to blood the likes of Deledio, other draft picks, and give players like Roach, Gilmour and co. some experience.

FB: Gaspar, Hall, Moore
CHB: Bowden, Schulz, Morrison
3rd Tall: A.Kellaway, Jackson, (Zantuck), (Hilton), Archibald
Flankers (x 2): Pettifer, Gilmour, Roach, (Deledio), Tuck, Raines
Small Defender : Newman, Hartigan, Krakouer

We saw last year that the HBF is the place for the likes of Hartigan and Pettifer to play their 20 minutes a quarter and begin their apprenticeships. We should be keeping those spots open to rotate kids through. Not crowding them up with a dud like Grover.

very true, i would not take Grover on what Weaver has just said

 

[Darth_Tiger]

you have a good point weaver, unless the coaching staff see another role for him. what are the chances of him playing in another position, say on the ball or up forward? not saying he could, i dont know, just curious if you could let us know what you think weaver, or anyone else?

 

[Hammerfire]

He is not a legitimate key position type, he basically plays in the back pocket and only gets the ball when he gets to play loose in defence and be the linkman running out of the backline.

The reason the Dockers have offered him a contract at a reduced rate is because they see him as a guy they have to replace if they are going to get any better.

We need a genuine CHB/FB if we are going to take a veteran player. With Bowden, A.Kellaway, Jackson and Moore all wanting that 3rd tall defender spot why bring in competition. Furthermore that 5th-6th best defender spot is the ideal place to blood the likes of Deledio, other draft picks, and give players like Roach, Gilmour and co. some experience.

FB: Gaspar, Hall, Moore
CHB: Bowden, Schulz, Morrison
3rd Tall: A.Kellaway, Jackson, (Zantuck), (Hilton), Archibald
Flankers (x 2): Pettifer, Gilmour, Roach, (Deledio), Tuck, Raines
Small Defender : Newman, Hartigan, Krakouer

We saw last year that the HBF is the place for the likes of Hartigan and Pettifer to play their 20 minutes a quarter and begin their apprenticeships. We should be keeping those spots open to rotate kids through. Not crowding them up with a dud like Grover.

I agree that if he has no ability to play KP we shouldn't get him.

Although, some of your assessments of our players are questionable.

Hall can't play key defense, he proved that this year.

Moore would need to grow a couple more cm's to play kp.

Jackson will/should be worked into the midfield next year

Archibald is predominatly a developing forward.

Hartigan will/should be played as a rover next year, and Gilmour and maybe Roach will be rover-type players in time.

Deledio, if played in defense, would play both 3rd tall and running the ball out of defense.

Krakeour has no place in defense.

 

[sante]

i reckon he could be an alright winger

 

[Calavaray]

very true, i would not take Grover on what Weaver has just said

I think we're being a bit hard on Grover. Much like Fremantle, he has improved in leaps and bounds this year. He only played 17 games in his first 3 years there, and this year he played in 20. He is a tough, quick defender who seems to have good skills and while he may not be able to play in a key position, we still need defenders to play on second and third string forwards, and also help run the ball out of defense and hit targets further up the field, which has been one of biggest problems over the last couple of years, and especially this year. We are not going to win a flag or even make the finals while we are still caryying players who skills aren't up to AFL standard. It's a hard call, but there aren't too many other sides who have players who you cringe out every time they go near or get the ball.

 

[Weaver]

Hall can't play key defense, he proved that this year.

Hall can't be a legitimate fullback long-term but he'll have to do short term. He'll fill in until we can develop someone better.

Moore would need to grow a couple more cm's to play kp.

Needs a little more bulk but at 190cm is an OK height. Modern key defenders are getting smaller, lighter and quicker.

Jackson will/should be worked into the midfield next year

Jackson will be a midfielder but it will take some time. If he plays much next year you'd guess it would be on the HBF. He still has a lot to learn.

Archibald is predominatly a developing forward.

Sure but he needs to get on the field first, and he can play 10 games in defence and develop some confidence before he goes forward.

Hartigan will/should be played as a rover next year, and Gilmour and maybe Roach will be rover-type players in time.

Sure, but the likes of Tony Free, Nathan Burke, Marcus Ashcroft, Drew Banfield all played a lot of footy down back before they went on the ball. In many cases 100 games. None of that group is ready yet for the midfield but could play 20 minutes in defence.

Deledio, if played in defense, would play both 3rd tall and running the ball out of defense.

Perhaps but I wouldn't have thought that he had the bulk for it yet. More likely he will be given the Fiora role.

Krakeour has no place in defense.

Maybe 10 years ago that would be true. Nowdays most clubs have someone like Burgoyne, Wanganeen, Chris Johnson, Joel Smith ot Troy Makepeace in the back pocket to provide run and flair.

 

[corporal]

Maybe 10 years ago that would be true. Nowdays most clubs have someone like Burgoyne, Wanganeen, Chris Johnson, Joel Smith ot Troy Makepeace in the back pocket to provide run and flair.

I'm pretty sure Krakouer is a lot smaller then all of those players, leave him in the forward pocket

 

[BulldogMike]

Grover is a pretty handy player and IMO isn't a hack. Has quite a good penetrating kick on him and is very fit.In the Fremantle side he is one of the harder players i'd say.

 

[Plugga]

Grover had very good year in 2003, but looked out of condition during pre-season on 2004, hence he didn't crack a game in Round 1. Predominantly has played on a hbf, but could be used as a wing man, likes to run forward & kick long goals from outside 50.

As a Freo fan, it doesn't concern me if he wants to leave, the fact is, he had a poor season, & wasn't aggressive enough on the man on man battles. Has pace & for his size should be showing more aggression a-la a Dean Solomon/Robbie Copeland type - but he hasn't. With Freo recruiting Josh Carr, Heath Black, probably Jarrod Schofield & with the return of Matty Carr from a broken leg, it is highly likely they will try turn Dessie Headland into the running half back flanker, making Grover's opportunities in 2005 very rare.

He has been offered a 2 year deal at Freo, but for not much, $$$'s wise....so good luck to him if he wants to go to Richmond, but I can't see much improvement in him, though he would definitely be in Richmonds best 22. I know, why don't the Tigers sign him for 5 years so he can hang out with Simmonds & watch all the league games live, following their reserve game finishing.

 

[Croat tiger]

Grover had very good year in 2003, but looked out of condition during pre-season on 2004, hence he didn't crack a game in Round 1. Predominantly has played on a hbf, but could be used as a wing man, likes to run forward & kick long goals from outside 50.

As a Freo fan, it doesn't concern me if he wants to leave, the fact is, he had a poor season, & wasn't aggressive enough on the man on man battles. Has pace & for his size should be showing more aggression a-la a Dean Solomon/Robbie Copeland type - but he hasn't. With Freo recruiting Josh Carr, Heath Black, probably Jarrod Schofield & with the return of Matty Carr from a broken leg, it is highly likely they will try turn Dessie Headland into the running half back flanker, making Grover's opportunities in 2005 very rare.

He has been offered a 2 year deal at Freo, but for not much, $$$'s wise....so good luck to him if he wants to go to Richmond, but I can't see much improvement in him, though he would definitely be in Richmonds best 22. I know, why don't the Tigers sign him for 5 years so he can hang out with Simmonds & watch all the league games live, following their reserve game finishing.

bitter freo trolls they are such lovely people.

 

[Hammerfire]

Hall can't be a legitimate fullback long-term but he'll have to do short term. He'll fill in until we can develop someone better.

That's what i thought at the start of this year, but he got towelled on a number of occasions.

Needs a little more bulk but at 190cm is an OK height. Modern key defenders are getting smaller, lighter and quicker.

Your probably right here, but i'm not sure if he'll develop into a run-off player, time will tell.

Jackson will be a midfielder but it will take some time. If he plays much next year you'd guess it would be on the HBF. He still has a lot to learn.

Agreed, perhaps a bit of midfield blooding towards the end of the year would be the way to go with him.

Sure but he needs to get on the field first, and he can play 10 games in defence and develop some confidence before he goes forward.

I don't expect Archi to play much, if any footy for Richmond next year, hopefully he plays key forward at Coburg for much of the year.

Sure, but the likes of Tony Free, Nathan Burke, Marcus Ashcroft, Drew Banfield all played a lot of footy down back before they went on the ball. In many cases 100 games. None of that group is ready yet for the midfield but could play 20 minutes in defence.

I reckon Hartigan could probably play as a rover next year, not for the whole game but he seems to be an early bloomer ala Rodan.

Perhaps but I wouldn't have thought that he had the bulk for it yet. More likely he will be given the Fiora role.

I tend to think Wallace won't rush him into seniors and will focus on getting him physically developed, and might try to turn him into an onballer at Coburg.

Maybe 10 years ago that would be true. Nowdays most clubs have someone like Burgoyne, Wanganeen, Chris Johnson, Joel Smith ot Troy Makepeace in the back pocket to provide run and flair.

Krakeour simply isn't a defensive player, HFF,FP or midfield is where he'll play his best footy, although he'll have to work on his fitness to be able to play midfield.

 

[evo]

We need a genuine CHB/FB if we are going to take a veteran player. With Bowden, A.Kellaway, Jackson and Moore all wanting that 3rd tall defender spot why bring in competition. Furthermore that 5th-6th best defender spot is the ideal place to blood the likes of Deledio, other draft picks, and give players like Roach, Gilmour and co. some experience.

FB: Gaspar, Hall, Moore
CHB: Bowden, Schulz, Morrison
3rd Tall: A.Kellaway, Jackson, (Zantuck), (Hilton), Archibald
Flankers (x 2): Pettifer, Gilmour, Roach, (Deledio), Tuck, Raines
Small Defender : Newman, Hartigan, Krakouer

We saw last year that the HBF is the place for the likes of Hartigan and Pettifer to play their 20 minutes a quarter and begin their apprenticeships. We should be keeping those spots open to rotate kids through. Not crowding them up with a dud like Grover.

So why are we looking seriously at picking up Graham?

No one said Grover is a KPP. But he'd be alot more use than Graham.For god sake,the guy is going to be 31.We have a slow hb who can play tallish.Kellaway.Why do we need another?If anything we should've got rid of Kellaway.Not recruit an older version!

 

[Darth_Tiger]

if freo is throwing someone away i say take them. just look at a few examples. bell, farmer, mcphee. (two of which they busted thier guts to get back).

 

[Lenny*]

So why are we looking seriously at picking up Graham?

How do you know we are?

 

[Darth_Tiger]

another one bites the dust. grover re-signed with freo according to the HUN