Gun control in America

[Betty Noir]

The inextricable linkage of guns in America, global arms proliferation, Russia and the NRA is unfortunately beyond both the scope and comprehension of the lowly yet will meaning chaps loitering on BF.

 

[JoondalupJ]

You mean Piers Morgan interviewing Philip Van Cleave on CNN?

What part of that would be a setup?

I'm not sure what that means. Is a TV show really where you draw the line and call for moderation and good taste?

I asked a question.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I asked a question.

Amid several statements.

 

[bourbons]

Hahahahaha Oh boy
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainme...s-lobbyist-duped-into-promoting-guns-for-tots

What a load of s**t, just watched that ep and yeah the 'kinderguardians' segment is one thing, obvs they would have fed him a script for that. But its not like Cohen was putting words in his mouth during the interview segment, and the stuff that bloke was saying

Legit crazy person, as in certifiably insane.

 

[iBeng]

What a load of s**t, just watched that ep and yeah the 'kinderguardians' segment is one thing, obvs they would have fed him a script for that. But its not like Cohen was putting words in his mouth during the interview segment, and the stuff that bloke was saying

Legit crazy person, as in certifiably insane.

Not the toes, not the toes!

 

[iBeng]

More shootings today, including 3 killed and 7 injured in New Orleans, and just finished reading an article on a doctor who was gunned down, in broad daylight, while riding his bike.

But Americans problem isnt guns!

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

More shootings today, including 3 killed and 7 injured in New Orleans, and just finished reading an article on a doctor who was gunned down, in broad daylight, while riding his bike.

But Americans problem isnt guns!

actually it's drugs, depression, hopelessness and a very poor culture from bankster controlled industries like music and Hollywood

 

[Chief]

actually it's drugs, depression, hopelessness and a very poor culture from bankster controlled industries like music and Hollywood

And guns.

 

[iBeng]

actually it's drugs, depression, hopelessness and a very poor culture from bankster controlled industries like music and Hollywood

We have those 3 things in Australia and New Zealand, cant recall the last time a kid shot up a school though.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

And guns.

see I don't run with that

you can kill without guns and people are becoming very resourceful when you take them away if they're that way inclined

 

[iBeng]

see I don't run with that

you can kill without guns and people are becoming very resourceful when you take them away if they're that way inclined

Thats the most pissweak excuse you can make when someone suggests, just maybe, that gun laws need to be tightened ever so slightly.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Thats the most pissweak excuse you can make when someone suggests, just maybe, that gun laws need to be tightened ever so slightly.

actually it isn't if you understand their Constitution and their bill of rights
something we don't have here

so because culturally you're not in tune to their Constitution you can easily want laws changed to begin the precedent to strip them away

they believed in citizen responsibility not big govt

so my argument stands

please do your self a favour and read the historical context to their bill of rights and why it was written up

 

[iBeng]

Their Constitution was written in the days of muskets. MUSKETS. You now have Semi-Automatic weapons that can become fully automatic with simple adjustments. So saying they deserve guns like they are because of a document over 200 years old is rather...silly.

Besides, theyve changed their Constitution several times.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Their Constitution was written in the days of muskets. MUSKETS. You now have Semi-Automatic weapons that can become fully automatic with simple adjustments. So saying they deserve guns like they are because of a document over 200 years old is rather...silly.

Besides, theyve changed their Constitution several times.

can you read the Constitution and explain why they're allowed to use arms?

you're still not grasping the reasoning of the founding fathers

it wouldn't matter if theyre muscats or not

lol

please learn why they're at liberty to be armed and you'll understand the whole context better

 

[iBeng]

can you read the Constitution and explain why they're allowed to use arms?

you're still not grasping the reasoning of the founding fathers

it wouldn't matter if theyre muscats or not

lol

please learn why they're at liberty to be armed and you'll understand the whole context better

Doesnt excuse the need for the guns to be so easily available to be used by people how they are.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Doesnt excuse the need for the guns to be so easily available to be used by people how they are.

actually it does if you understand the reasons

depends if you're a big govt kind of guy or believes that small govt and social responsibility is the way to go
culture is important

just read up on what the founding fathers said about liberty and big govt

get back to me please

 

[iBeng]

actually it does if you understand the reasons

depends if you're a big govt kind of guy or believes that small govt and social responsibility is the way to go
culture is important

just read up on what the founding fathers said about liberty and big govt

get back to me please

Are you saying the founding fathers cant possibly be wrong? Are you suggesting nothing has changed socially in 300 odd years? Are you saying its a government conspiracy to disarm its citizens?

 

[AM]

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

We have those 3 things in Australia and New Zealand, cant recall the last time a kid shot up a school though.

we used car?

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Are you saying the founding fathers cant possibly be wrong? Are you suggesting nothing has changed socially in 300 odd years? Are you saying its a government conspiracy to disarm its citizens?

you need to read the history and ideology of liberty v big govt to answer this question

yes I believe nothing has changed in society except big govt is everywhere and you have few liberties
which is exactly why the USA didn't become great when everybody flocked there from all over the world escaping tyranny of religions and freedoms

it's getting rather eroded as big govt and big business are in every part of your life including spying on you

again you need to read the ideology of the liberties the founding fathers intended to escape exactly this!
included is the explanation to gun ownership
please read up on the idea of a more dangerous freedom v a peaceful slavery of the populace

 

[iBeng]

Ah yes, the freedom to be shot for knocking on someone's door, truly the greatest country on Earth.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Ah yes, the freedom to be shot for knocking on someone's door, truly the greatest country on Earth.

actually you'll find more people wanting to move there than say here? and have
historically
would that be an accurate observation?

 

[iBeng]

actually you'll find more people wanting to move there than say here? and have
historically
would that be an accurate observation?

Wait, are you using Mexico there as the example?

 

[iBeng]

Look at all this FREEDOM!

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2018

AMERICA! FREEEEEEDOM! TO DIE!

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Look at all this FREEDOM!

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2018

AMERICA! FREEEEEEDOM! TO DIE!

yeah you're not addressing the underlying issues though are you?
drugs, hopelessness, depression, lack of prosperity

let's look at this statistic

https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/opioids/opioid-overdose-crisis


http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/issues/state-mental-health-america


I would think that the spiritual and mental well-being of nations is the most important thing which needs to be addressed
and it's being ignored
it's there a reason why even. in Australia where we don't have guns somebody can drive his car over numerous people and have them killed?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...drove-wildly-through-cbd-20170930-gyrt4r.html

https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/9261228

In Canada


https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...oronto-driver-identified-20180424-p4zb9v.html

goes on and on with the new weapon of choice

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/544603002










or why somebody can wait for the hottest and windiest day of a year and with a box of matches


https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...y-of-murdering-four-children-in-salford-firep

arson deaths are beginning to spike in Australia

doubled in the last couple of decades and increasing


I think there's an elephant in the room
that's drugs and mental health and their impact on society
I would guess in Australia ice is a very common reason for death and murder and yet it isn't really held up in the same way as say terror which has a minimal impact on Australian society