Gun full forward or good mix of goal kickers

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Here is a nice hypothetical for you to ponder.

Scenario 1:

We play through the rest of the season scraping together a few wins and at least being competitive in most games. We get a general even contribution of goals from our forwards with players like Riewoldt, Nahas, Collins, White and Morton (if he returns to form) who will kick 1-3 goals per game depending on who plays well. We also get some contribution from our midfield with players like Deledio and Newman pushing up the ground. Riewoldts purple patch was just that.

Scenario 2:

We play through the rest of the season scraping together a few wins and at least being competitive in most games (same results). Generally we are competitive and sometime victorious because Riewoldt is able to stand up and pull us through with bags of goals little contribution from other forwards. Riewoldt emerges as a premier player in competition but we are becoming increasingly reliant on him, Fevola-esque.

Interesting considering everyone would want a gun forward but we always here that over reliance is not good for a team as they become predictable and easy to stop.
 

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No brainer for me. We didn't win a flag with Richo kicking bags. Carlton were not that great with Fev kicking tons. The Cats have won flags with a good spread of goal kickers.

Riewoldt has made it now. Even if he doesn't kick a bag every game he is going to be very effective. Only 3 goals on the weekend but he did a great job. Brought the ball to ground and hustled. With so many young players it could be very dangerous to become Riewoldt oreintated. They need to learn to pick the best option. Blokes will get off the leash and find space because of JR so we need to use them. Not to mention the fact that we still need to be developing other goal kicking avenues. Griff, Post, Astbury, Taylor, Morton, Collins, Nahas, Nason etc. Doesn't matter if we don't win more than 1 more for the season as long as we are developing and improving.
 

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Throw Griff, Post and Taylor into the forward line for the rest of the year. With guys like Nason, Collins and Hicks(hopefully gets a run soon) at there feet we could have a very, very talented forward line for years to come.
 

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Ultimately you want a good mix of goal kickers with a key forward thrown in there as well.

To expect Jack to pull a Richo and win games off his own boot throughout his career is silly, but to not have a gun forward to help keep the goals ticking is also silly

What I would like to see is Jack kicking at least 3 goals a game, as is roughly the average for a key forward whilst the scoreboard showing another couple of players with at least two goals. In the end of the day we cannot rely on Jack staying uninjured and kicking 6+ goals every game for his whole career, we simply need other avenues. We have a key forward, we don't need to go Brisbanes approach and get another one, what we need is our other forwards to get a bit of consistency about them.

I believe we already have a great mix up forward, we just need players like Morton, Nahas and eventually Griff (he is still a baby but will be amazing) to start doing the good things week after week and we will be on track.

If we can get that happening we are looking great. :thumbsu:
 

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Ideally, I would love to have Jack kicking 3-4 goals a game with Griffiths, Astbury, Morton, kicking 1-3 each and then the midfield/FP/HFF contributing another 5-8 goals a game. That would make us a much more dangerous side that just having Jack kicking 5-6 goals.
 

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Probably, should have kept Schultz given how well he's playing at present.
LOL! sure thing skip

anyway, we saw what riewoldt can do against two opponents against WCE, but the lions shut him down and as soon as the ball came into te 50 every defender would be looking around for jack and trying to spoil it.

once that happened we had players like griff, vicks, goose, astbury and then the small crumbers like edwards running around. tall men were going for the marks when pup was eavily tagged and the small guys just jogged around waiting for the loose ball when pup had it punched away

had 10 goalkickers or something on the weekend which imo, is much better
 

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Probably, should have kept Schultz given how well he's playing at present.
lol :eek: trust a blues fan to say something stupid. I actually laughed when I read your post.

Schulz has played 8 games this year for 15 goals (7 of them came this weekend). He has not had over 14 possessions in a game and is still fairly average. I believe we got the best out of him in 2008 when he was at Richmond and the ONLY reason he got 7 goals on the weekend was due to Tredrea being out and port having absolutely no one else to go to in the way of a big forward.

Credit where it is due, he did play a great game filling the hole for Tredrea, but he is still nothing special. If you don't believe me have a look at his career stats, he has not made any noticible improvements at all since moving from Richmond. One game does not change this fact.

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I agree with those that say both (but voted for Jack being a superstar coz everyone loves to watch a superstar FF).

Whats the difference if the ball enters our forward 50 and Jack marks and goals, or someone else does. So long as we are scoring goals im not worried who kicks them.
 

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You don't get that choice...you just kick to your best option...if riewoldt is that option then so be it....if others stand up then they can take marks....Geelong never had a star full forward so they are not someone we can compare to.
 
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Morton/Taylor Astbury/Post Nahas/Nason
Reiwoldt Griffiths Roberts/Edwards/Connors/King/Polo/Collins
Options we have never had in the past, Vickery and Westhoff could also help kick goals.
Astbury, Post and Westhoff will give us options down back as well and what about the GOO? I haven't been this excited since I caught my first blue tongue in 1970 at 5 sorry since we won the cup in 1980.
Look
Newman McGuane Farmer Polo Goudis Dea
Connors Thursfield Deledio Webberley Post Moore
Edwards Martin Collins CONTIN HICKS GILLIGAN
White Astbury Nason Taylor Polak Roberts
Reiwoldt Griffiths Tambling Nahas WESTHOFF Morton
Graham Tuck Cousins Browne Rance Foley
Vickery King Cotchin Jackson O'RILEY Grimes Thomson Hislop

Not a bad second side compare that to last years.
I will again tell the world this is the best side since 1980-1982 but the 1995 side wasn't that bad either. The 2001 side was good but not great.

2013
Dea Thursfield Moore
Connors McGuane Webberley
Collins Martin Deledio
Morton Astbury Nahas
Reiwoldt Griffiths Nason
Graham Cotchin Foley
Tuck Taylor Roberts Vickery. Jackson Tambling Edwards White Farmer, Hicks, King, Contin Grimes Westhoff Goudis Post O'Reilly Polak Gilligan Rance and Browne.
This side can be mixed and matched to suite the side we are playing. Now this is not my best side but the future is so bright Iv'e gottu wear shades.
 
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