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Sounds like he came dead last in the Saints coach race, is he "only the best" as Eddie says? or are there better options for an assistant to MM?
 
buymeonebay said:
Sounds like he came dead last in the Saints coach race, is he "only the best" as Eddie says? or are there better options for an assistant to MM?
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How do you know that he came dead last?
 

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buymeonebay said:
Was between Longmire and Bond before Lyon came on the scene, that puts him 4th
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I wouldn't be judging McKenna's ability as an assistant coach on the fact that he didn't get the St. Kilda job. Perhaps he didn't fit the criteria that they were using to appoint a senior coach. Doesn't mean that McKenna isn't a good coach.

And besides the guy (pardon the pun:D) was on a shortlist of 4 for a senior coaching job. I'd say this proves that he is in the top echelon of assistant coaches.
 
jabso said:
So we should sack him because he didn't get the gig.
The fact he is in the top 4 out of (estimating) 40+ assistant coaches doesn't cut it?
Should we appoint Zombie Jock McHale as an assistant coach, surely with our resources we could find a way to raise the dead?
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Channel Ten said that there were 52 applicants for the job so he has done well to get through to the final four (this sounds like Aust. Idol!). I reckon he's pretty impressive.
 
Wayne91 said:
Mckenna is another malthouse yes man, ive yet to hear an original thought exit his mouth.
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How many 'thoughts' have you actually heard from his mouth?
Are you in the coaches box? Are you around the club?

In other words on what grounds do you base your opinion on.

This might sound too harsh, but some people don't think through things before forming an unsubstantiated opinion and then expressing it without explanation.
 
Well sorry i didnt realise i had to tag on an explanation for everything i say but anyway i have heard him many times on radio/tv and read what he has said in the press and im unimpressed with him.

Im not round the club but people on forums who have had something to do with him back in the west and here dont rate him at all.

Ask the west aussies about his stint as a coach in the wafl

I add up all that and come to the conclusion he isnt much chop.

Im not in the loop so all i go on is forums and whatever i pick up around the place.
 
His stint in the WAFL was years ago and short lived. Regardless, can't someone get better at their job the longer they do it? Young players are allowed to make mistakes while they are learning, surely young coaches are the same...

As far as the 'yes man' stuff is concerned, I'd assume you are basing that on the fact that Bluey played under Malthouse for 10 years there for must be a 'yes man', from most reports he left his job under Worsfold because the 2 had a rocky working relationship, so I doubt being a 'yes man' for his old mates is on the cards.

Assistant coaches are ambitious, successful men who hold down important positions at professional footy clubs, not back slapping good old boys out for a free ride...
 
Black JuJu said:
His stint in the WAFL was years ago and short lived. Regardless, can't someone get better at their job the longer they do it?
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Well you'd think he would do better than dead last out of the final 4 then
 

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buymeonebay said:
Well you'd think he would do better than dead last out of the final 4 then
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That's the poorest logic I've ever heard.

By that logic, Longmire should get fired because he came dead last out of the final two...
 
"Only the best" is a rallying catch cry. We don’t actually practice it. Good god how many second bests have we offloaded this century?
 
MarkT said:
"Only the best" is a rallying catch cry. We don’t actually practice it. Good god how many second bests have we offloaded this century?
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Unfortunately with that, it's not like the 70s where you can just do whatever you want and throw money around willy-nilly.

If you want the best, you have to trade for it or draft it, and that's not something you can simply do on command.
 
vinnie_vegas69 said:
Unfortunately with that, it's not like the 70s where you can just do whatever you want and throw money around willy-nilly.

If you want the best, you have to trade for it or draft it, and that's not something you can simply do on command.
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You are only talking about the playing list. I am talking about every aspect of the club. Even just restricted to the playing list there is no doubt we have held onto no performers too long in a number of cases. We put up wit under powered players getting games week in week out instead of trading them and getting a new player be it via the trade or a draft pick. Anyway, as I said, that’s merely one part of the picture.

Look if you can’t walk the walk drop the talk. Don’t use “only the best for Collingwood” to rally support and enthusiasm for the plan if you don’t intend to live it, you don’t think it is actually feasible or you are going to make excused for not succeeding.

Do you think we are one of the best in any single area? Perhaps we are up there financially but that's another debate.
 
MarkT said:
You are only talking about the playing list. I am talking about every aspect of the club. Even just restricted to the playing list there is no doubt we have held onto no performers too long in a number of cases. We put up wit under powered players getting games week in week out instead of trading them and getting a new player be it via the trade or a draft pick. Anyway, as I said, that’s merely one part of the picture.
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I know that, but to suggest a guy has to be fired because he's the 4th highest rated Assistant Coach in the league is ludicrous.

I mean, Sydney should be having a firesale with their players, considering they came DEAD LAST in the Grand Final.
 
vinnie_vegas69 said:
I know that, but to suggest a guy has to be fired because he's the 4th highest rated Assistant Coach in the league is ludicrous.

I mean, Sydney should be having a firesale with their players, considering they came DEAD LAST in the Grand Final.
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Maybe. That wasn’t my claim but don’t claim only the best unless you mean it. Saying McKenna is 4th best is a stretch too. He came 4th in a contest not everyone entered.

Let’s be clear about what Eddie said. He clearly said Collingwood would only settle for the best. Not second or 4th best but if there is better they will do what it takes to get it. Now I am a realist and I don’t expect that to be literal on every occasion. That just isn’t possible. What is possible and a reasonable expectation is more than we have had on many fronts. That ranges from pre arranged board seats to coaching to players to all sorts of list management issues.

To be concise:
Collingwood settle for second best. Make no mistake about it.
Hell some on here celebrate it.
 

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vinnie_vegas69 said:
That's the poorest logic I've ever heard.

By that logic, Longmire should get fired because he came dead last out of the final two...
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Hey Vinnie when your signature is longer than your post it's too messy to bother reading, I'm sure you made a good point but who will ever know?
 
buymeonebay said:
Well you'd think he would do better than dead last out of the final 4 then
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Pathetic logic, it's been mentioned 52 people applied and he was in the final 4, who knows how close he got but seen as how a rank outsider in Ross Lyon got the job, it was probably a reasonably open race.

I think Bluey will be a senior coach within the next 5 years.
 
Black JuJu said:
Pathetic logic, it's been mentioned 52 people applied and he was in the final 4, who knows how close he got but seen as how a rank outsider in Ross Lyon got the job, it was probably a reasonably open race.

I think Bluey will be a senior coach within the next 5 years.
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Because he was a good footballer for your mob?

pfft at least give me a reason that is coaching related and how you are qualified in this area to assess?
 
buymeonebay said:
Because he was a good footballer for your mob?

pfft at least give me a reason that is coaching related and how you are qualified in this area to assess?
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Coaching related?

He went final 4 for the hottest job in the country - a job that St Kilda had apparantly searched far and wide to fill.

On the flip side, what reason do you have to think he won't other than what a few Freo people say on BF and the fact that you clearly don't like him?
 

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