Club Focus GWS Giants 2021 - Brander, Callaghan, Aleer, Fahey

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GWS Goose said:
That was the year that we messed it up most for me.
Marchbank was a solid choice, IMO, injuries have crueled him.
Even at the time Pickitt, Ahearn and McKenna seemed like reaches.
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Taking Plowman and O'Rourke at 2 and 3 is probably as bad.

Not taking Grundy is looking like an even worse mistake now it has come ot light that Sheedy and Choc Williams indicated they wanted him. Could have used 12 or 13 on him.
That is a pretty ordinary draft all round really.

Those 2 in a draft years in a row really slowed our progress given what we should have done.
 

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GWS Goose said:
Taking Plowman and O'Rourke at 2 and 3 is probably as bad.

Not taking Grundy is looking like an even worse mistake now it has come ot light that Sheedy and Choc Williams indicated they wanted him. Could have used 12 or 13 on him.
That is a pretty ordinary draft all round really.

Those 2 in a draft years in a row really slowed our progress given what we should have done.
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Yeah SOS seems to get a free pass on how badly he stuffed up
 
Only 2 players left out of the SOS solo draft years 2012-2014.

To be fair, they're Lachie Whitfield (#1, 2012) and Josh Kelly (#2, 2013).

2014 really was a crapshoot, though.
 
Giant Strides said:
Only 2 players left out of the SOS solo draft years 2012-2014.

To be fair, they're Lachie Whitfield (#1, 2012) and Josh Kelly (#2, 2013).

2014 really was a crapshoot, though.
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He had picks 1,2,3,9, 12, 13
And at least 1 and 2 in 2013 can't remember the rest
And 4,6,7, ,23
Over those 3 years.

Whitfield and Kelly are stars.

But a very low return for those 3 draft hands.

Even at the time they're were some very strange calls.

Imagine how strong the Giants could have been of they even got a few more of those right.
 
GWS Goose said:
He had picks 1,2,3,9, 12, 13
And at least 1 and 2 in 2013 can't remember the rest
And 4,6,7, ,23
Over those 3 years.

Whitfield and Kelly are stars.

But a very low return for those 3 draft hands.

Even at the time they're were some very strange calls.

Imagine how strong the Giants could have been of they even got a few more of those right.
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He was a bust.
 
General Giant said:
He was a bust.
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Horrendous.
I think he traded well.
But his drafting was so bad
The average punter without watching a single game just reading media or even big footy draft predictiond would have done substantially better.
 
Thinking about our list… we should be just trying to draft outside speed and good users. If Callaghan can run well we should be taking him. Then either Rachele or Butler. Who else is a particularly good runner in this draft?
 
GWS Goose said:
That was the year that we messed it up most for me.
Marchbank was a solid choice, IMO, injuries have crueled him.
Even at the time Pickitt, Ahearn and McKenna seemed like reaches.
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Pretty sure the Giants were desperate to get Petracca that year. It’s the rare kind of top 10 where a pick in the top 3 where all were extremely highly rated was probably worth more than 2 or even 3 from 4-10.
 
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Giant Pete said:
Thinking about our list… we should be just trying to draft outside speed and good users. If Callaghan can run well we should be taking him. Then either Rachele or Butler. Who else is a particularly good runner in this draft?
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How has using all your top picks on inside mids worked in the past? Even if Callaghan can run well and has good skills how much incremental impact can he make on your team?

If I were you I'd trade down from pick 2 to Freo for pick 6 and 8.

Use pick 6 on Mac Andrew and pick 8 on Leek Alleer.

Both are extremely high upside athletic KPP, both with potential to play ruck as well. They would make a material difference and address a key list need, instead of just another midfielder.
 
Giant Pete said:
Thinking about our list… we should be just trying to draft outside speed and good users. If Callaghan can run well we should be taking him. Then either Rachele or Butler. Who else is a particularly good runner in this draft?
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I agree. Even if Callaghan is not so great and wants to leave after 2 years, he should still have good draft value.
Given how keen hawthorn, Richmond appear to be on this pick, surely we have to take Callaghan as the available player most likely to be very good.

Where do we think he mainly plays next year, is it wing, forward pocket, half forward line?
 
GWS Goose said:
He had picks 1,2,3,9, 12, 13
And at least 1 and 2 in 2013 can't remember the rest
And 4,6,7, ,23
Over those 3 years.

Whitfield and Kelly are stars.

But a very low return for those 3 draft hands.

Even at the time they're were some very strange calls.

Imagine how strong the Giants could have been of they even got a few more of those right.
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It is also a good example of where the AFL got it wrong.
We did get too many picks early on, they didn't think about who we were actually going to delist each year.
What we should have had is less picks in year 1, but then a guaranteed pick for the first 3 years to spread out the impact on other teams, less hatred from other clubs (including those living in Sydney who steer their kids away from supporting GWS).
So in 2011 draft picks 1,4,7,10, 22,25,28,31.
In 2012 draft picks 3,21 then the rest according to finishing place
In 2013 draft picks 4,22 etc
In 2014 draft picks 5,23 rtc
In 2015 draft, nothing guaranteed, same rules as for everybody else.
This is what they should do for the Tasmanian team when they enter.
 
GWS Goose said:
That was the year that we messed it up most for me.
Marchbank was a solid choice, IMO, injuries have crueled him.
Even at the time Pickitt, Ahearn and McKenna seemed like reaches.
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Seven years ago now, but it has an effect for a few years yet. Age wise it matches up with why you fell away a bit last year and this year from the heights of 2019. That’s when these guys would have been hitting their straps. At the same time, nobody in that draft between Pickett at 4 and Miller at 29 has turned out to be much chop aside from De Goey at 5 (bad miss between your picks, but not an elite player) and Lever at 14 who was a flight risk coming off an ACL.
 
The return on the investment of those picks makes it even worse.

Marchbank, Pickett and a F2 for a F1, 45 & 58.
Ahern for pick 69.
McKenna was a salary dump, 2 picks swaps of similar value.
Steele was drafted @ 24 and returned an F2.
Finlayson we can call win, 69 turned into an F3.
🤦😣
 
Orange Agent said:
The return on the investment of those picks makes it even worse.

Marchbank, Pickett and a F2 for a F1, 45 & 58.
Ahern for pick 69.
McKenna was a salary dump, 2 picks swaps of similar value.
Steele was drafted @ 24 and returned an F2.
Finlayson we can call win, 69 turned into an F3.
🤦😣
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It's even more bizarre to think we probably got more than we deserved for Marcbank et al., when Silvagni brought them into Carlton.

His list management record makes Barry Prendergast look like a star in comparison.
 
Who are gws supporters favouring for pick 2 ? Surely if it's not Callaghan sliding back makes sense. It's been floated on the Hawks board 5+future 1st for 2+13 could work for both parties and still gets gibcus or Andrew.
 
daniel23 said:
Who are gws supporters favouring for pick 2 ? Surely if it's not Callaghan sliding back makes sense. It's been floated on the Hawks board 5+future 1st for 2+13 could work for both parties and still gets gibcus or Andrew.
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You’ll need more than that.

it would likely be your Pick 5 and your future first next year.

No way known we go back 3 spots & give you another first rounder.

Ludicrous proposition.
 
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