Club Focus GWS Giants 2023

[PMBangers]

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[Makeshift Park]

any deal for whitfield even in a salary dump would have the other club giving something up for him like the grundy deal rather than gws throwing a pick on top

Sure, the Pies got a 2nd rounder in that trade, but the difference there is that the Pies are contributing around $300k a year to Grundy's contract until it ends in 2027, and Grundy even accepted a small pay cut to come to the Dees.

Those are some pretty unusual circumstances.

 

[Giant Strides]

I'm quite certain Whitfield won't be going anywhere. And that GWS won't do a GCS-style first round pick to trade someone out.

 

[hawkinoz]

I'm quite certain Whitfield won't be going anywhere. And that GWS won't do a GCS-style first round pick to trade someone out.

Maybe not


Anyone got an archive link of this?

 

[Giant Strides]

Maybe not

Did you actually read the story?

GWS has shown no inclination to trade the talented Whitfield and has significantly improved its salary cap position after losing Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper, Tanner Bruhn and Bobby Hill last off-season.

But Whitfield’s situation is vastly different to Bowes given he is well established at GWS and they have cap space to retain him even as his salary hits $1.1 million or more next year.

Just a media puff piece for the gullible.

 

[GWS Goose]

Maybe not


Anyone got an archive link of this?

The headline is very misleading.
The article basically says the reverse, the Giants have no interest in trading and have no real salary cap issues.

 

[Vindicater]

The only way they shift Whitfield for cap space is if they are also targeting a big name player which I doubt.

Fully expect him to be there again next year.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

The headline is very misleading.
The article basically says the reverse, the Giants have no interest in trading and have no real salary cap issues.

More pathetic clickbait from the HUN, which is their bread and butter these days.

 

[Colonial]

Kingers has come out and said on AFL360 this week that while the club mismanaged the cap in the past it has it under control now.

 

[Colonial]

Maybe not


Anyone got an archive link of this?

No. It’s clickbate and the club has said as such.
Stupid VFL media rubbish like this had Whitfield concerned enough he approached the club in the off season and Kingers said not to worry as he is important to the club.

None of those players are going anywhere. Whitfield, Cogs, Greene, Kenners, Kelly, Haynes won’t be leaving and will be our 1st one club players.
It’s an easy article to print saying “Giants would want to trade out well paid stars”. Gets clicks from the gullible and technically not “making stuff up” as they aren’t saying the Giants want to.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Haynes’ future will be a discussion point as the club assesses its list and manages its always-under-pressure salary cap in the lead-up to the exchange period.

Haynes is on almost $1 million for the final year of his back-ended contract in 2024 and is expected to come up in trade talks at season’s end.

But whether there will be much interest remains unclear. GWS may have to contribute some of his salary as part of any move back home to Victoria.

 

[Colonial]

So another nothing story.

Like the Whitfield “They should move him on but the club has no interest in doing so” article a few days ago.

Almost a million? They have no idea how much he is on.

Kingers was on AFL360 saying the club has the cap in hand after years of mismanagement.

 

[FB19]

So another nothing story.

Like the Whitfield “They should move him on but the club has no interest in doing so” article a few days ago.

Almost a million? They have no idea how much he is on.

Kingers was on AFL360 saying the club has the cap in hand after years of mismanagement.

Reality is none of us know but citing the coach not saying they remain in trouble which would have caused the list manager to shoot him is not evidence there isn’t a problem.

 

[GWS Goose]

Reality is none of us know but citing the coach not saying they remain in trouble which would have caused the list manager to shoot him is not evidence there isn’t a problem.

true.
The club as been pretty open saying that the cap is in a good space. In previous years they have been open about it being very tight.

That said, we may not be in a position to match a good offer for Himmelberg and to a lesser extent Ash.

 

[hawkinoz]

That said, we may not be in a position to match a good offer for Himmelberg and to a lesser extent Ash.

Unless you are able to do a salary dump deal, then you can match the offer and keep him or force a trade or up his value and get band 1 compo

 

[Colonial]

Reality is none of us know but citing the coach not saying they remain in trouble which would have caused the list manager to shoot him is not evidence there isn’t a problem.

We have been honest before saying our cap was always topped out.

 

[Colonial]

Unless you are able to do a salary dump deal, then you can match the offer and keep him or force a trade or up his value and get band 1 compo

Lose Whitfield or Haynes to keep Harry? In a dump deal? No thanks. I’d like Harry to stay but…..

 

[sydney_gws]

Lose Whitfield or Haynes to keep Harry? In a dump deal? No thanks. I’d like Harry to stay but…..

What is the go with Riccardi?
Does he want to stay, if not where does he go?

 

[Colonial]

What is the go with Riccardi?
Does he want to stay, if not where does he go?

I always took him as someone just getting his shot that would jump back home the moment he got the opportunity.

 

[GeTrain]

Losing Himmelberg wouldn't be the worst thing for them. They'd bring in a third top 10 pick and be in a great spot to trade for Reid if the eagles were open to it.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Judging by the responses in this thread, I'm sure its nothing to worry about, but just to give the GWS BF community another right-of-reply:

GWS GIANTS​

Stephen Coniglio $850,000-$950,000, 29, Midfielder

Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

$850,000-$950,000, 29, Forward

Lachie Whitfield

6

Lachie Whitfield

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.3

5star

M

6.3

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

411.8

5star

D

21.4

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.8

3star

MG

350.6

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

$850,000-$950,000, 28, Defender

Nick Haynes

19

Nick Haynes

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

$850,000-$950,000, 31, Defender

Josh Kelly $800,000-$900,000, 28, Midfielder

Harry Himmelberg $700,000-$800,000, 27, Forward/Defender

Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

24

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

$700,000-$800,000, 24, Defender

The Giants have been forced to overpay for their midfield stars amid soaring interest from rival clubs every year. It was an unsustainable cycle which has caused concern at AFL headquarters. How does the league assist the Giants’ bloated cap? Josh Kelly’s salary continues to rise in coming years, while Lachie Whitfield

6

Lachie Whitfield

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.3

5star

M

6.3

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

411.8

5star

D

21.4

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.8

3star

MG

350.6

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

and Stephen Coniglio

3

Stephen Coniglio

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.5

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

11.5

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.7

5star

CL

4.7

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

8.8

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

5.4

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

3.0

5star

are also on a packet. Toby Greene

4

Toby Greene

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

has deserved every cent and Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

24

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

holds the defence together. If the Giants lose Harry Himmelberg, the money could go on a new deal to keep No. 1 pick Aaron Cadman. But the big spend is in the engine room.

Source: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...p/news-story/64ad07a60a34db222bad85ba7d37a750

 

[Colonial]

Judging by the responses in this thread, I'm sure its nothing to worry about, but just to give the GWS BF community another right-of-reply:


Source: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...p/news-story/64ad07a60a34db222bad85ba7d37a750

As has been said earlier I think I’ll believe the club regarding our cap being ok now rather than reporters known for being horribly wrong.
For instance, we didn’t over pay in fact they stayed for less than what was on offer elsewhere.
We have always been up front in the past saying our cap was in bad shape. See no reason to disbelieve then now we are saying it’s headed in the right direction.

 

[Jeremias]

Fleeton and Gillbee delisted.

Fleeton in particular seems a bit of a surprise? Was named in the 2023 VFL Team of the Year just a few weeks ago and had the following stats at VFL level:

Cameron Fleeton, GWS Giants
15 matches this season
Averages 22.7 disposals, 85.6% kicking efficiency, 84.1% disposal efficiency, 8.6 intercepts, 8.1 marks

At just 21 you'd think unless there are other issues, there will be some level of interest in him.

 

[sydney_gws]

Fleeton and Gillbee delisted.

Fleeton in particular seems a bit of a surprise? Was named in the 2023 VFL Team of the Year just a few weeks ago and had the following stats at VFL level:



At just 21 you'd think unless there are other issues, there will be some level of interest in him.

Maybe he will be resigned by GWS?
I am a bit surprised, it means we can't trade him now.

 

[Giant Pete]

Fleeton and Gillbee delisted.

Fleeton in particular seems a bit of a surprise? Was named in the 2023 VFL Team of the Year just a few weeks ago and had the following stats at VFL level:



At just 21 you'd think unless there are other issues, there will be some level of interest in him.

It’s an area of strength for us.. sounds like Haynes will stay.

 

[sydney_gws]

If this ( pick 16) was on the trade table ( possibly combined with 2024r2),
what offers would be made for it.