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Gws isnt giving the same opportunities to its younger players that other teams are. They took 4 in the first 25 of the 2018 draft and 2 in the top ten last year, none are regulars. Across the league, most of the other players drafted that early in these drafts are regulars now.How aren’t they developing? Every one of them has had a go.
Gws isnt giving the same opportunities to its younger players that other teams are. They took 4 in the first 25 of the 2018 draft and 2 in the top ten last year, none are regulars. Across the league, most of the other players drafted that early in these drafts are regulars now.
Almost certain Tom Green is signed until 2023 (signed a 2 year extension earlier)
I didn't realise Ash had played so much, but being a defender isn't really relevant to the midfield issue.We have given plenty of opportunities. Do I wish Green was in the side? Yep but he isn’t. If he was angry about it he wouldn’t of extended.
Let’s go through them then.
Draft of 2018
Jye Caldwell (pick 11) has played 10 and is in current side.
Jackson Hately (Pick14) has played 12
Xavier O’Halloran (Pick 22) Has played 2 games.
Ian Hill (pick 24) has played 10 and is on current side.
Kieren Briggs (pick 34) has played zero but is a developing ruck.
Connor Idun (Pick 61) has played 1
Draft of 2019
Lachie Ash (pick 4) has played 9 games
Tom Green (pick 10) has played 4.
Jake Riccardi (pick 51) debuted last week and I doubt will be dropped
Tom Hutchison (Pick 65) has played 1 game and was injured in said game.
Yeah so many top pick players not getting a go to develop
I didn't realise Ash had played so much, but being a defender isn't really relevant to the midfield issue.
As your numbers show, the young mids just aren't getting the games that their peers at other clubs are.
The club thought it had a great midfield and locked away too many players on generous contracts only to discover that they aren't that flash.
This has left little room for the kids, barring injuries. This is even though arguably your two most effective mids, Williams and Greene, dont play there.
You've just got too many midfielders to fit into the one team.
Port Adelaide and GC are the other clubs who loaded up in these drafts. GC is obviously an exception, but Port have played all their kids and are on top.It’s relevant to the top picks aren’t getting games comment.
The numbers show they are getting the games, you can’t compare that to a club at the bottom or club with serious injuries.
Name and shame. Who are these not flash midfielders?
It’s funny, when we sign someone to 2 years it’s because the player is only sticking around for some success before going to a “real club”. When we sign them long term we are too generous.
I would say Kelly has been our best lately. By a bit too.
Williams gets us out of trouble out of the back. Greene is our magic.
Either way after 13 games this season our draft picks are all getting a go.
I do agree we will end up trading some. Only thing I can agree with. We will keep who we think are the best and trade the rest.
Port Adelaide and GC are the other clubs who loaded up in these drafts. GC is obviously an exception, but Port have played all their kids and are on top.
Thanks for asking for advice on your midfield. The starting mids are struggling. Hopper because he isnt very good and Cogs because he is an excellent role player but not a prime mover. Also Ward, when he plays, doesnt have a worthwhile role anymore. I'd ship Hopper off and play Cogs in a run-with role or forward. This would free up some space in the rotation for the kids and Toby.
Ok, so what is the problem with your midfield?Ash, the 4th pick in 2019, has played the 3rd most games of last year's draft crop. Developing well in the backline and will be entrenched in the side next year when Shaw retires.
Green, the 10th pick, has played the 15th most games. Just two games behind the 9th most games. Green is suffering from there being less injuries this year among our inside mids, but like others I would have liked to see him play a few more games. Yes the midfield is out of form, but you don't get back in form by not playing, and the ''scratch matches'' for the seconds players is far from ideal.
The teams who've played their early draftees more - Gold Coast, Melbourne, Adelaide, Norths, Hawthorn, Sydney are all because they were crap and needed youth - and Port.
The ''4 in the top 25'' from 2018 have 3 of the top 28 games across two years. Some of that is due to injury, some due to not being as good as those in the team. Last year the team made it to the GF - those who held best 22 roles did the job, and those 4 just weren't able to push any of them out.
I've found over the last few years that we are alternatively told we have too much talent or we lack depth; often in the same year! I put zero credibility in external observations.
It's a really silly argument to say the current GWS situation is down to not playing the kids. If they bide their time, they'll get a go if they're good enough. Yes, they would probably have played more in a poor side, like Norths or Adelaide.
Over the past few years the club has managed the list well, culling some of the older players to ensure there's a blend of experience. We've thinned out the early years (2011/2012) where we had multiple players, to where we have a small number of really good players plus some role and depth players. Jezza, Cogs, Haynes, Toby, Lachie are in the first bracket; Buntine, Kennedy in the second. The current age profile is spreading well, and most teams in the league, especially those pushing for top 8 spots, are not playing masses of recent draftees.
Sure. I keep hearing what isn't the problem but not what is. You cant keep starting Hopper, Cogs and Kelly in the middle and get beaten in there week after week.perplexed
What are you actually getting at??
Can you put up something in regards to the trading with the GWS list?? That or stop throwing rocks at glass houses because you aren’t adding a great deal
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Ok, so what is the problem with your midfield?
Sure. I keep hearing what isn't the problem but not what is. You cant keep starting Hopper, Cogs and Kelly in the middle and get beaten in there week after week.
Trade Hopper and play Cogs as a forward or a tagger. I'd keep Kelly, but not if it means losing Williams or Cameron.
Depends if you think development is one week in the side and three weeks sitting in the stands.We have given plenty of opportunities. Do I wish Green was in the side? Yep but he isn’t. If he was angry about it he wouldn’t of extended.
Let’s go through them then.
Draft of 2018
Jye Caldwell (pick 11) has played 10 and is in current side.
Jackson Hately (Pick14) has played 12
Xavier O’Halloran (Pick 22) Has played 2 games.
Ian Hill (pick 24) has played 10 and is on current side.
Kieren Briggs (pick 34) has played zero but is a developing ruck.
Connor Idun (Pick 61) has played 1
Draft of 2019
Lachie Ash (pick 4) has played 9 games
Tom Green (pick 10) has played 4.
Jake Riccardi (pick 51) debuted last week and I doubt will be dropped
Tom Hutchison (Pick 65) has played 1 game and was injured in said game.
Yeah so many top pick players not getting a go to develop
I think you'll also find that last night's cba's will be quite different. You looked a lot less predictable.Wrong?
It’s simple really.
In the 1st few rounds we were too slow getting it in the fwd 50 looking for the perfect entries. Hense lowest number of fwd 50’s but the best conversion rate.
We then went the complete opposite and just banged away, but barely scored from them. Basically not lowering our eyes.
Last night we found middle ground which worked really really well.
If there's any club whose development model we shouldn't be following - it's Adelaide's!!Depends if you think development is one week in the side and three weeks sitting in the stands.
Depends if you think development is one week in the side and three weeks sitting in the stands.
I think you'll also find that last night's cba's will be quite different. You looked a lot less predictable.
Yes, and you clearly set up very diferently in the middle last night. Didn't you notice this?Do you watch our games or?
Yes, and you clearly set up very diferently in the middle last night. Didn't you notice this?
Of course not, when did I claim that? The two are related. The entries improved because you changed your midfield.Yes I did. But you honestly think our fwd 50 entries weren’t different to weeks before?
Of course not, when did I claim that? The two are related. The entries improved because you changed your midfield.
We seem to be in agreement but want to win a pissing contest.
I think the major difference is the last 2 weeks is you put in a kid that knows how to run AFL standard forward patterns instead of an athlete that runs and jumps a lot. Riccardi gave the midfielders a genuine leading target in space instead of Finlayson that runs the F50 boundary, usually on one side of the ground only, and using his athleticism to try to jump and mark. Defenders also don't know exactly where Riccardi is going whereas Finlayson always goes to the same spot so is very easy to defend. Funnily enough this makes the midfielders look better.Yes I did. But you honestly think our fwd 50 entries weren’t different to weeks before?
I think the major difference is the last 2 weeks is you put in a kid that knows how to run AFL standard forward patterns instead of an athlete that runs and jumps a lot. Riccardi gave the midfielders a genuine leading target in space instead of Finlayson that runs the F50 boundary, usually on one side of the ground only, and using his athleticism to try to jump and mark. Defenders also don't know exactly where Riccardi is going whereas Finlayson always goes to the same spot so is very easy to defend. Funnily enough this makes the midfielders look better.