Haddin or Nevill for the Third test?

[The Swans Blog]

Wade stunk it up when he had his chance. He could have killed off Haddin once and for all he fluffed it badly. Messed up big time in tests and went one better in the ODIs.

No doubt the selectors are still nervous about the next keeper, but is it going to be some almost broken down old fart who fluffs it, or a relatively unknown quantity? FC form doesn't always translate to international form.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Not trying to have a go at haddin here, but I saw him celebrating and having a laugh with teammates throughout the test match at lords.

Didn't he have to travel back home to be with his family?

I don't think so. I think his family was in London. I could be wrong here but reading between the lines I think he only went back to Lord's after the issue was shown not to be as dire as it could have been.

The selectors would never have made the change unless forced to, Nevill did a decent job but it wasn't a truly stunning one. He was tidy with the gloves, with a very good almost catch, and did a worthy lower order job with the bat.
Even if that is better than the incumbent may have done, it won't be enough to make the selectors switch their first choice.
It does show there is a serviceable replacement for the serviceable first choice.

Its no secret I would have Hartley as first choice with Ludeman and Whiteman next in line. That's not how the selectors view things. They will go with the "stability" of Haddin rather than rock the boat by changing their first choice. They've already had to ditch Watson, and Australian selectors are reluctant to change the first choice eleven too rapidly.

 

[JackOutback]

Nevill has outperformed Wade with the bat pretty comprehensively over the last couple of Shield seasons.

If we are going on averages, Voges creamed them both last season and has a Test century. I can't see any valid reason to replace him with two keepers.

 

[medusala]

Whilst the poll is going totally one way, this site is pretty much an I hate Haddin site anyway (hey I'm part of it). But if you asked me to bet money on who I think the selectors will actually pick, I'd be betting on Haddin.

Boof has form there ie Watson in World Cup getting recalled after most thought it was all over for him.

 

[Hellgood]

Wade stunk it up when he had his chance. He could have killed off Haddin once and for all he fluffed it badly. Messed up big time in tests and went one better in the ODIs.

No doubt the selectors are still nervous about the next keeper, but is it going to be some almost broken down old fart who fluffs it, or a relatively unknown quantity? FC form doesn't always translate to international form.

Relatively unknown quantities

We know very well what Wade and Paine would bring to the test side (not that I'd pick either, neither 'stunk it up') and Nevill's form has always looked very translatable to international level.

Whiteman coming through as the younger option is doing ok too.

I don't see any nerves whatsoever.

 

[The Swans Blog]

Relatively unknown quantities

We know very well what Wade and Paine would bring to the test side (not that I'd pick either, neither 'stunk it up') and Nevill's form has always looked very translatable to international level.

Whiteman coming through as the younger option is doing ok too.

I don't see any nerves whatsoever.

I've always said I don't know anything about the national scene since I don't follow it. Maybe there are better prospects than those, or perhaps younger talents, than the national team boasts.

Paine we haven't really seen much of and I didn't really see him play, but if he went from the next best thing since sliced bread to the latest pariah, then he must have failed shamefully. Look at Haddin and he's been genuinely disliked for the last 4 years. I find it insulting that Healy thinks that Haddin is the 2nd best pure gloveman to have played for Australia, when he drops sitters like he has bananas for fingers. Over the last 18 months he's dropped routine catches to very dangerous batsman, and I'm not talking about the diving full stretch to his left, I'm talking the sitters my 75 year old grandmother with arthritis in her knees could make.

When he came back after Wade stunk up the place he was dominant and contributed very well with the bat. It was like he needed a clean foot up the ass to get him properly motivated. However, his last 18 months have been really poor and the runs he put in the bank during 2012/13 and early 2014 have been used up.

 

[eth-dog]

Paine has no FC centuries as a keeper.

 

[Kram]

lol only 4 votes for Haddin.

 

[LingyIsHandsome]

I don't think so. I think his family was in London. I could be wrong here but reading between the lines I think he only went back to Lord's after the issue was shown not to be as dire as it could have been.

The selectors would never have made the change unless forced to, Nevill did a decent job but it wasn't a truly stunning one. He was tidy with the gloves, with a very good almost catch, and did a worthy lower order job with the bat.
Even if that is better than the incumbent may have done, it won't be enough to make the selectors switch their first choice.
It does show there is a serviceable replacement for the serviceable first choice.

Its no secret I would have Hartley as first choice with Ludeman and Whiteman next in line. That's not how the selectors view things. They will go with the "stability" of Haddin rather than rock the boat by changing their first choice. They've already had to ditch Watson, and Australian selectors are reluctant to change the first choice eleven too rapidly.

Nevill will be a better keeper than Haddin imo. Haddin dives and jumps around when the ball is within 20cm of him and drops it.

Gilchrist rarely fumbled and he was known mainly for his batting.

 

[Kram]

 

[Demosthenes]

I find it insulting that Healy thinks that Haddin is the 2nd best pure gloveman to have played for Australia, when he drops sitters like he has bananas for fingers. Over the last 18 months he's dropped routine catches to very dangerous batsman, and I'm not talking about the diving full stretch to his left, I'm talking the sitters my 75 year old grandmother with arthritis in her knees could make.

In fairness to Haddin, he was a very tidy gloveman for the Blues in the early 2000s. He had textbook technique and very good footwork. So in that sense I can see why Healy rates him.

That said he was already on the wane when he took over from Gilchrist, and recently he's been downright diabolical. Realistically, he's far too old and has been for quite a while. In my lifetime I'm yet to see a gloveman who was still genuine quality at Test level after about 34/35 - maybe Mark Boucher, but that'd be it. Reaction times and mobility is just so vital, especially with quicks like Australia's.

 

[danielnajdek]

Odds of Baddin being recalled for the third test?

I bet Root is hoping Baddin gets picked.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

In fairness to Haddin, he was a very tidy gloveman for the Blues in the early 2000s. He had textbook technique and very good footwork. So in that sense I can see why Healy rates him.

That said he was already on the wane when he took over from Gilchrist, and recently he's been downright diabolical. Realistically, he's far too old and has been for quite a while. I'm yet to see a gloveman who was still genuine quality at Test level after about 34/35 - maybe Mark Boucher, but that'd be it. Reaction times and mobility is just so vital, especially with quicks like Australia's.

I agree, he is too old. It's silly to stick with a 37 year old when you need the kind of flexibility and agility of someone much younger.

 

[ioppolo]

5-73.

 

[Hellgood]

I've always said I don't know anything about the national scene since I don't follow it. Maybe there are better prospects than those, or perhaps younger talents, than the national team boasts.

Paine we haven't really seen much of and I didn't really see him play, but if he went from the next best thing since sliced bread to the latest pariah, then he must have failed shamefully. Look at Haddin and he's been genuinely disliked for the last 4 years. I find it insulting that Healy thinks that Haddin is the 2nd best pure gloveman to have played for Australia, when he drops sitters like he has bananas for fingers. Over the last 18 months he's dropped routine catches to very dangerous batsman, and I'm not talking about the diving full stretch to his left, I'm talking the sitters my 75 year old grandmother with arthritis in her knees could make.

When he came back after Wade stunk up the place he was dominant and contributed very well with the bat. It was like he needed a clean foot up the ass to get him properly motivated. However, his last 18 months have been really poor and the runs he put in the bank during 2012/13 and early 2014 have been used up.

So why are you making comments like this:

Wade stunk it up when he had his chance. He could have killed off Haddin once and for all he fluffed it badly. Messed up big time in tests and went one better in the ODIs.

No doubt the selectors are still nervous about the next keeper, but is it going to be some almost broken down old fart who fluffs it, or a relatively unknown quantity? FC form doesn't always translate to international form.

It's quite clear what we were going to get when we picked Nevill as it would be if Wade were to get another chance. If you don't follow domestic cricket then fine, but I don't see how you can speak for the selectors who do.

Paine doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the test team - certainly wasn't advocating that, but the selectors know what he could produce at test level and it isn't quite good enough.

 

[Costanza_]

Damn, Nevill out for 1 overnight. Haddin with a quickfire 32. I reckon that's all the selectors will need, unless Nevill scores a century in the 2nd dig.

Voges out for 1 as well while Marsh was unbeaten on 101. Nice to see Marsh in good form if Rogers can't recover for the 3rd test. If he does, will they consider batting Marsh at 5?

Personally I'm happy for Voges to stay, but another poor test and they will make the change.

 

[Slax]

Damn, Nevill out for 1 overnight. Haddin with a quickfire 32. I reckon that's all the selectors will need, unless Nevill scores a century in the 2nd dig.

Voges out for 1 as well while Marsh was unbeaten on 101. Nice to see Marsh in good form if Rogers can't recover for the 3rd test. If he does, will they consider batting Marsh at 5?

Personally I'm happy for Voges to stay, but another poor test and they will make the change.

Definitely didn't help the cause last night.

The keeping position has always been the one least likely to change once someone is established, we've seen that multiple times before, Healy went on too long and it was pretty clear that Gilchrist was in decline, but thankfully he saw it too and walked. Agree with comments about Wade, the position was there for the taking, his batting was more than up to the standard required but his keeping wasn't and they had no option but to get rid of him, had his keeping been decent he would still be there today in all likelihood.

There are enough murmurings from the squad that suggest they are more than happy to have Haddin back and even a few who want him there, so would be surprised if he doesn't get it. Nevill has been picked to play as keeper, so lets see what happens there, would like to see Ahmed get an extend spell so we can see how he keeps to spin a bit more, which is what will be vital.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Read that Haddin was looking a little sore whilst batting. Would have thought Nev is still in front for the position in spite of his 1.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Definitely didn't help the cause last night.

The keeping position has always been the one least likely to change once someone is established, we've seen that multiple times before, Healy went on too long and it was pretty clear that Gilchrist was in decline, but thankfully he saw it too and walked. Agree with comments about Wade, the position was there for the taking, his batting was more than up to the standard required but his keeping wasn't and they had no option but to get rid of him, had his keeping been decent he would still be there today in all likelihood.

There are enough murmurings from the squad that suggest they are more than happy to have Haddin back and even a few who want him there, so would be surprised if he doesn't get it. Nevill has been picked to play as keeper, so lets see what happens there, would like to see Ahmed get an extend spell so we can see how he keeps to spin a bit more, which is what will be vital.

I always find it odd that current players make public comments about selection. Are all sports like this? Or just the high-profile ones. I know they get asked questions but it just seems weird.

I can understand commentators and ex-players wading in, in some ways, that's their job.

 

[Slax]

With players now doing numerous media interviews it is only natural that they would get asked their opinion, if you constantly say nothing the media get sick of you and won't interview you, if the whole team does then it kills off press coverage and that is a big negative, so they need to say something. It is a fine line but one all athlete have to do in team sports. Players will almost always back the incumbent, earlier in the year the Carlton players were backing Malthouse when it was clear they weren't privately.

It's probably more interesting to see who is trying to get Rogers to change his mind about retirement.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Nevill showed that runs can be scored without hitting the ball in the air

The wank about Australia missing the leadership/experience of Haddin/Watson proved to be precisely that - wank

I have little doubt Haddin will come straight back in - but I personally would stick with Nevill

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Why the **** is this even a question? Haddin has been the worst part of our lineup since the last Ashes series. Keeping has gone backwards and his batting is a liability nowadays. We won with Nevill in, **** Haddin and **** that shit truck Watto as well. Rant over.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Why the **** is this even a question? Haddin has been the worst part of our lineup since the last Ashes series. Keeping has gone backwards and his batting is a liability nowadays. We won with Nevill in, **** Haddin and **** that shit truck Watto as well. Rant over.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Nevill showed that runs can be scored without hitting the ball in the air

The wank about Australia missing the leadership/experience of Haddin/Watson proved to be precisely that - wank

I have little doubt Haddin will come straight back in - but I personally would stick with Nevill

They can lead from the balcony. Or from the change rooms.

 

[stormee]

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