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Bomber Bears said:
I dont disagree it's time for Haddin to be retired, get Wade or Paine (or Nev!) in there.

But interesting you are using his average record of the last two year-12 months as to why he should be cut, yet he's averaged better than Punter the last 12 months and only slightly worse than him over two years (Ponting average of 33 over two year, 22.5 over 12 months), and in another thread you are saying Ponting should get more time, shouldnt be tapped on the shoulder yet.

That's looking at reality.
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I agree Punter is giving less with the bat than Haddin. Thats more an indication of how poor Punter's batting has been.

I don't think Punter should be given more time. There is probably only slightly more chance of Punter turning it around, as Brock McLean has of turning around his AFL career.
 
Blue1980 said:
And 3rd top scorer :thumbsu:
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See it's a lot more refreshing looking for the positives.:thumbsu:

And I am glad you watch the cricket and don't hope for failure.

I have no problem with any of Hughes, Haddin, Hussey, Usman or Ponting being dropped. My issue is the instant baying for blood that is prevalent from many on this board.

It is tiresome reading.
 
skipper kelly said:
30 over 2 years is fine. In any form of cricket if your number 7 gets 30 runs each time then there's not a problem. :thumbsu:
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It is a problem when that #7 is regularly losing his wicket to undisciplined shots at a time when, as one of the more mature (in age at least) players in the team, he should be looking to grind out an innings when those above him have capitulated. It is not good enough to try & belt the cover off the ball, when what is called for is some disciplined batting, particularly if you are 6 for not too many.

What Haddin was doing 2-3 years ago is irrelevant to what he is doing now. The reality is, he is not going to get any better & now would be a good time to blood the next keeper in line, so as to get some time under his belt before the next Ashes series.

Australian cricket is in a transitional stage, much like it was the last time the Kiwis beat us in Australia & what we need to do for the next Ashes series is to put together a team like we did in 1989, which surprised everyone & won the Ashes on the back of several players who had been blooded in the preceding years.
 

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skipper kelly said:
Possibly Paine or Wade or a number of blokes could do a better job. The point is Haddin is doing OK and the baying for blood is based upon a dislike of Haddin, supporters expecting perfection, and this often used theory that there is always someone better who isn't picked.

I find it sad to read this board where people are hoping cricketers fail so they will be dropped. I can't imagine they enjoy watching the cricket like I do.

See, when an Australian cricketer fails I think more along the lines of you poor bastard rather than you must be dropped ra ra ra.

That is all.
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This. So much this.

Do I need to say Haddin is in average form? I will anyway, he's in average form, but he's also the number 1 scapegoat around here even when everyone else before him has failed.

In another thread I read a post blaming him for the loss, in a match where our scores were 136 and 233. You could blame Khawaja for not converting his start, Hussey and Clarke for failing to score in the 2nd innings, Ponting for playing dumb cricket yet again, but no it's Haddin and Haddin alone.

I understand the bias, we all have favourites. If there was a genuine AFL World Cup I'd want Goodes to play better than Ablett for example, but most of all I'd want Australia to win. I wasn't on Big Footy when Australia were dominating cricket, but the wave of supposed supporters on here these days are disgraceful for the most part. It makes each match thread hard to read, which is a shame.

I'm not defending Haddin's form, but certain posters throw their arms up and lay the blame solely on Haddin when there are 3 or 4 other guys who should be copping it just as much.
 
skipper kelly said:
See it's a lot more refreshing looking for the positives.:thumbsu:

And I am glad you watch the cricket and don't hope for failure.

I have no problem with any of Hughes, Haddin, Hussey, Usman or Ponting being dropped. My issue is the instant baying for blood that is prevalent from many on this board.

It is tiresome reading.
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Also many angry people would of also complained about the lack of competition as recently as 4 years ago.

Not so much on this forum, I think most here just want what is best for Australian cricket rather than letting personal vendettas get in the way.
 
Father Jack said:
no one is solely blaming haddin, just that some of us are pretty much over seeing him play stupid stupid shots when a bit of nous is called for.
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I'm not going to name anyone, but I've read two posts from two different posters specifically blaming Haddin. Three senior players, Ponting, Hussey and Haddin have all played a few incredibly stupid shots in important situations during the last 2 series.
 
A comparison was made earlier between the averages of Haddin and Healy.

If Haddin could keep as well as Healy then his airheaded batting wouldn't matter, but he can't. His glovework is poor and it has cost us many wickets, runs and byes over the last few years.

If there was no one else to take his spot then fine, but there are two (1 fit) keeper/batsmen in state cricket who are both better glovemen and would lay a claim to be better batsman as well.

It baffles me why he is still there.
 
Simple Jack said:
A comparison was made earlier between the averages of Haddin and Healy.

If Haddin could keep as well as Healy then his airheaded batting wouldn't matter, but he can't. His glovework is poor and it has cost us many wickets, runs and byes over the last few years.

If there was no one else to take his spot then fine, but there are two (1 fit) keeper/batsmen in state cricket who are both better glovemen and would lay a claim to be better batsman as well.

It baffles me why he is still there.
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Haddin shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Healy, Heals was a much better keeper and would at least value his wicket especially when he came in after a middle order collapse.

When your #11 puts more value on his wicket than WK who is there for his batting it's time to pick a keeper who can keep.
 
Bomber Bears said:
I dont disagree it's time for Haddin to be retired, get Wade or Paine (or Nev!) in there.

But interesting you are using his average record of the last two year-12 months as to why he should be cut, yet he's averaged better than Punter the last 12 months and only slightly worse than him over two years (Ponting average of 33 over two year, 22.5 over 12 months), and in another thread you are saying Ponting should get more time, shouldnt be tapped on the shoulder yet.

That's looking at reality.
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Haddin has Paine and Wade hammering the door down. There's no batsmen beyond Cowan really knocking the door down. That's the difference.
 
skipper kelly said:
Possibly Paine or Wade or a number of blokes could do a better job. The point is Haddin is doing OK and the baying for blood is based upon a dislike of Haddin, supporters expecting perfection, and this often used theory that there is always someone better who isn't picked.

I find it sad to read this board where people are hoping cricketers fail so they will be dropped. I can't imagine they enjoy watching the cricket like I do.

See, when an Australian cricketer fails I think more along the lines of you poor bastard rather than you must be dropped ra ra ra.

That is all.
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Nothing to do with wanting him to fail. Wade and Paine are younger and better, and unless these two are BOTH injured he should not be palying cricket for Australia, and until Australia start picking a side on form rather then who is already there we will continue to struggle!!!

That is all.
 
Bomber Bears said:
I dont disagree it's time for Haddin to be retired, get Wade or Paine (or Nev!) in there.

But interesting you are using his average record of the last two year-12 months as to why he should be cut, yet he's averaged better than Punter the last 12 months and only slightly worse than him over two years (Ponting average of 33 over two year, 22.5 over 12 months), and in another thread you are saying Ponting should get more time, shouldnt be tapped on the shoulder yet.

That's looking at reality.
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Brad Haddin isn't Ricky Ponting.

One will go down as our second best batsmen of all time; one will be forgotten a few months after he's dropped.

He was a decent stopgap, and deserved the spot when Gilly went, but he's rubbish now.

The last year or two, he's gotten worse, he CAN BAT, but he constantly plays like a ********.

It's not good enough.

It is a problem when that #7 is regularly losing his wicket to undisciplined shots at a time when, as one of the more mature (in age at least) players in the team, he should be looking to grind out an innings when those above him have capitulated. It is not good enough to try & belt the cover off the ball, when what is called for is some disciplined batting, particularly if you are 6 for not too many.
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:thumbsu:
 

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People saying Haddin is hardly the worst performed player and is the least of our problems are missing the point.

I don't want him dropped because he can't bat, or because he is out of form. I wan't him dropped because he is supposedly a leader in the team (VC pffft) but plays with an absolute who gives a f*** if I go out attitude in situations where a bit of leadership is required.

He lacks discipline and is a poor example to the news guys coming into the team. Ponting is out of form - but you can see that he wants to make runs with every fibre of his being. It isn't working for him but it isn't through a lack of trying. Haddin just sh*** in the faces of his captain, team mates, cricket supporters and the baggy green with his attitude to batting.

It is fine to slash away carelessly when we are 5/400 or setting a declaration target. That very rarely is the case these days yet even when 30 minutes of solid batting is needed while an established Dave Warner is at the other end, he goes the slash not once....but again the ball after being dropped. Dumb, arrogant, soft....lacking pride in you performance.
 
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When people say there are two players who are better glovemen than Haddin, I hope it's Paine and Nevill, because Wade's keeping isn't flash.

They'd all probably be scoring more runs than Haddin at present, or at least that's the dream.
 
Can't say i've noticed a whole lot of Nevill's keeping but when him and Haddin are both playing for Easts in grade cricket, it's Nevill who keeps...

Before his rise into the Australian team, which was before Nevill moved to Sydney, Haddin trips down to grade cricket often resulted him playing purely as a batsmen back then too...
 
When Haddin actually is dropped it could be interesting times for Nevill, he may be forced to change states if he is not the one called into replace Haddin. Or Haddin could be going from International to district cricket.

Nevill looks like he has the goods as well, so we have plenty of options, makes the fact that Haddin still plays for Australia even more of a joke.
 
lionbear said:
When Haddin actually is dropped it could be interesting times for Nevill, he may be forced to change states if he is not the one called into replace Haddin. Or Haddin could be going from International to district cricket.

Nevill looks like he has the goods as well, so we have plenty of options, makes the fact that Haddin still plays for Australia even more of a joke.
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Wade and Paine both fairly comfortably ahead of Nevill in line. Also if Haddin gets dropped, he'd either play for NSW as a batsmen or retire.
 

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TheBrownlowMan37 said:
When people say there are two players who are better glovemen than Haddin, I hope it's Paine and Nevill, because Wade's keeping isn't flash.

They'd all probably be scoring more runs than Haddin at present, or at least that's the dream.
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surely your kidding?

He holds the record for most catches in a shield season, he is rock solid behind the wickets, often having to dive to 2nd slip or leg gully and he actually gets the ball. No phantom dives like haddin


Only have to look to his last match (vs qld in ryobi cup) to see what he can do, and does regularly.
 
Mitchell Madness said:
surely your kidding?

He holds the record for most catches in a shield season, he is rock solid behind the wickets, often having to dive to 2nd slip or leg gully and he actually gets the ball. No phantom dives like haddin


Only have to look to his last match (vs qld in ryobi cup) to see what he can do, and does regularly.
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Agreed. Well sort of.

People are basing their opinion of Wades keeping on his early years when his glovework was Haddin standard, he has improved quite a lot in the last 12-24 months.

Paine is still a better gloveman though.
 
Simple Jack said:
Agreed. Well sort of.

People are basing their opinion of Wades keeping on his early years when his glovework was Haddin standard, he has improved quite a lot in the last 12-24 months.

Paine is still a better gloveman though.
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Agreed paine is better with the gloves, but australia doesnt have the luxury of 5 solid batsmen to build the side around, thus wade is a better option for the medium-long term


If the bats were good, paine would get the nod
 

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