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Haddin is a poor keeper and a good batsmen who seems to think he is Adam Gilchrist who is good enough to not have to adapt to conditions.

Gilly was a freak, Haddin is not. He is also past his best and should be out of the side to make way for Wade or Paine.

Look for 2013 ashes. No way any of Ponting, Haddin or Hussey will be there, so why keep them in the side when they aren't performing?
 
mediumsizered said:
Of course there is, but now the captain is helping to pick the team, you'll wanna be a mate of his or you won't get a look in.
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Nail on head.

Captain as a selector does not work. Can you imagine Clarkey going into a meeting saying 'Hey John, I think Punter and Huss are finished. People slag me off but I have made 3 centuries in 5 tests, while Punter makes a couple of career saving 50s to put his recent average above 20. $#^ em off'.

Now I would like him to say that, but he wont.
 

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The problem with Haddin is the bloke he followed. Expectations were that he would follow in his footsteps. Not possible. Gilchrist has spoiled it for the next era of keepers.

Healy 119 4356 161* 27.39 4 366 29
Marsh 96 3633 132 26.51 3 343 12
Haddin 39 2171 169 36.18 3 142 4

People seem to have short memories. For the most part WKers have always been sloggers and tend to play bad shots.
 
Might want to get out of pre 1999 skipper. The days of a wicket keeper being a wicket keeper only are long gone, so comparing with blokes who were picked as keepers first is silly. If you don't have some skill with the bat now you won't be considered as opposed to being a good keeper being the main part back in the day. That being said you still need to be able to keep, something Haddin is probably the worst at of all the state keepers(even Wade has passed him), plus he has always been a fairly stupid batsman but got away with it because he was pretty good when he replaced Gilchrist, like Ponting and Hussey though his best days are well behind him.
 
skipper kelly said:
The problem with Haddin is the bloke he followed. Expectations were that he would follow in his footsteps. Not possible. Gilchrist has spoiled it for the next era of keepers.

Healy 119 4356 161* 27.39 4 366 29
Marsh 96 3633 132 26.51 3 343 12
Haddin 39 2171 169 36.18 3 142 4

People seem to have short memories. For the most part WKers have always been sloggers and tend to play bad shots.
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No. Expectations are that if you're a senior member of the side you won't charge down the wicket when you're 6/19 or whatever it was.
 
Gak Attack said:
Might want to get out of pre 1999 skipper. The days of a wicket keeper being a wicket keeper only are long gone, so comparing with blokes who were picked as keepers first is silly. If you don't have some skill with the bat now you won't be considered as opposed to being a good keeper being the main part back in the day. That being said you still need to be able to keep, something Haddin is probably the worst at of all the state keepers(even Wade has passed him), plus he has always been a fairly stupid batsman but got away with it because he was pretty good when he replaced Gilchrist, like Ponting and Hussey though his best days are well behind him.
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Nothing wrong with a 36 average. The problem is todays fans need success all the time or they cry for a lynch mob.
 
skipper kelly said:
Nothing wrong with a 36 average. The problem is todays fans need success all the time or they cry for a lynch mob.
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Averages 24 over the last 12 months. Stretch it out to the last two years and he averages 30.

That's not fans needing success all the time. That's f***ing shit.
 
ManWithNoName said:
No. Expectations are that if you're a senior member of the side you won't charge down the wicket when you're 6/19 or whatever it was.
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So junior members are allowed? lol ^

If he got away with it he would be praised ala Gilchrist. He failed so he gets criticised.

Haddin is doing a good enough job, the problem for Haddin is that todays young fans expect perfection.

No bad shots, no poor footwork, no byes, no dropped catches etc etc.

I blame video games and frame by frame replays.

The evolution of the Australian cricket fan who was brought up watching the 90's and early 00's is quite remarkable.
 
skipper kelly said:
So junior members are allowed? lol ^

If he got away with it he would be praised ala Gilchrist. He failed so he gets criticised.
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He'd be praised, yes. Except he doesn't get away with it. Then he does it again.

And again.

And again.

And again.

Gilchrist came out and slogged at 5/300. Haddin tries to do it at 5/80. I'm sure you can see the difference.

Not sure why you're even comparing them. Pointless. Brad Haddin will never be Adam Gilchrist. He shouldn't be trying to be.
 
skipper kelly said:
Nothing wrong with a 36 average. The problem is todays fans need success all the time or they cry for a lynch mob.
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I expect more than horrendous batting collapses any time the ball swings a bit, with largely the same culprits every time, and every time those culprits are picked again and again.

Brad Haddin's average of 36 is respectable, but I think his best days are behind him. I think Paine could average around 40 as a batsman and is a much better keeper.

People complained about Gilly's keeping, Haddin is far far worse. Gilly was fine, just Healy was one of the finest ever.

I don't think people here are over-reacting, we have lost a test to NZ that any shield side would be disappointed to lose against (not to mention Zimbabwe nearly beat them), and the manner of defeat (general inept batting) is the culmination of everything that has been wrong with the side for 2-3 years. Things obviously aren't working, so they need to be changed.

We changed the bowling attack, and the changes have reaped rewards, time to do the same with the batting.
 

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ManWithNoName said:
He'd be praised, yes. Except he doesn't get away with it. Then he does it again.

And again.

And again.

And again.

Gilchrist came out and slogged at 5/300. Haddin tries to do it at 5/80. I'm sure you can see the difference.
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For the most part Gilchrist batted the same regardless of the situation. That was the beauty of him. If he lasted a session then the game would be set up. I for one was very impressed with Haddins 55 against SA. Very much helped save that series. :thumbsu:
 
ManWithNoName said:
He'd be praised, yes. Except he doesn't get away with it. Then he does it again.

And again.

And again.

And again.

Gilchrist came out and slogged at 5/300. Haddin tries to do it at 5/80. I'm sure you can see the difference.

Not sure why you're even comparing them. Pointless. Brad Haddin will never be Adam Gilchrist. He shouldn't be trying to be.
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Gilly did it famously in Mumbai 2001 when we were 5/96 or so, he scored a century and turned the game on its head.

Difference Gilly was a freak, a once in a generation player like Warney. There were other times Gilly did it when the chips were down, that he averaged around 50 with a strike rate of 84 is scarcely believable. I guess Sehwag is the only other comparison you could make, but we had Gilly coming in at 7!

But I digress, Haddin should be compared to guys from other test nations, so say Boucher, Prior and Dhoni. He is a worse keeper than all of them, a more talented but less gritty batsman than Boucher, and relatively similar style of batsman to Prior. Difference is Prior is a better keeper and averages near on 45 in test cricket.

Also not many batsmen in world cricket I can imagine charging down the pitch when their side is 5/18. Nor going out in similarly dumb fashion as he did in both innings in Hobart.

If we want to be the best we need to be finding someone who can do that, I think Paine is the man. Wade is worth giving a go while in form, as he is likely to be the number 2 for years to come, and should be given a go in case Paine's injury problems continue.
 
skipper kelly said:
For the most part Gilchrist batted the same regardless of the situation. That was the beauty of him. If he lasted a session then the game would be set up. I for one was very impressed with Haddins 55 against SA. Very much helped save that series. :thumbsu:
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What about his other 3 innings on that tour? For a total of 21 runs...
 
skipper kelly said:
For the most part Gilchrist batted the same regardless of the situation. That was the beauty of him. If he lasted a session then the game would be set up. I for one was very impressed with Haddins 55 against SA. Very much helped save that series. :thumbsu:
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Marcus North also scored a century 2 tests before getting dropped. The odd blip in a graph trending downwards doesn't change the fact he has been quite poor for a while.
 
skipper kelly said:
You look for the bad, I look for the good. That's why I still love watching cricket. :thumbsu:
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Last 12 months he's averaged 24. In Shield cricket we have two players who are FAR better keepers and are in infinitely better form with the bat. He doesn't deserve his spot anymore. That's not looking for the negative. That's looking at reality.
 

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Blue1980 said:
Brad Haddin's average of 36 is respectable, but I think his best days are behind him. I think Paine could average around 40 as a batsman and is a much better keeper.
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Possibly Paine or Wade or a number of blokes could do a better job. The point is Haddin is doing OK and the baying for blood is based upon a dislike of Haddin, supporters expecting perfection, and this often used theory that there is always someone better who isn't picked.

I find it sad to read this board where people are hoping cricketers fail so they will be dropped. I can't imagine they enjoy watching the cricket like I do.

See, when an Australian cricketer fails I think more along the lines of you poor bastard rather than you must be dropped ra ra ra.

That is all.
 
ManWithNoName said:
Last 12 months he's averaged 24. In Shield cricket we have two players who are FAR better keepers and are in infinitely better form with the bat. He doesn't deserve his spot anymore. That's not looking for the negative. That's looking at reality.
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I dont disagree it's time for Haddin to be retired, get Wade or Paine (or Nev!) in there.

But interesting you are using his average record of the last two year-12 months as to why he should be cut, yet he's averaged better than Punter the last 12 months and only slightly worse than him over two years (Ponting average of 33 over two year, 22.5 over 12 months), and in another thread you are saying Ponting should get more time, shouldnt be tapped on the shoulder yet.

That's looking at reality.
 
ManWithNoName said:
Last 12 months he's averaged 24. In Shield cricket we have two players who are FAR better keepers and are in infinitely better form with the bat. He doesn't deserve his spot anymore. That's not looking for the negative. That's looking at reality.
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So its not the last 2 years, its the last 12 months. Cool.:thumbsu:

The reality is the WK is the least of Australias problems.
 
skipper kelly said:
Possibly Paine or Wade or a number of blokes could do a better job. The point is Haddin is doing OK and the baying for blood is based upon a dislike of Haddin, supporters expecting perfection, and this often used theory that there is always someone better who isn't picked.

I find it sad to read this board where people are hoping cricketers fail so they will be dropped. I can't imagine they enjoy watching the cricket like I do.

See, when an Australian cricketer fails I think more along the lines of you poor bastard rather than you must be dropped ra ra ra.

That is all.
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I want everyone wearing the baggy green to succeed. But when they are constantly not, changes have to be made.

I agree some people get a fetish for wanting people to perform badly to back up their pre-conceived notions about someone, which is ridiculous.

I would love Punter, Hussey & Haddin to come out and make centuries on Boxing day as we make 7/670 declared, but the likelihood of that happening is remote at best.

Over time Haddin has gained an expectation of being able to bat as well as the top 6, and he is clearly not doing that, through a combination of stupid shots, or possibly just being past his best (or both).

Also the fact our top 6 aren't doing the job means the expectation on Haddin is far greater than it probably should be.

If Paine was fit, Haddin would probably already be out of the side. I do think that unless Haddin has a great series against India, it will be his last one.

Same applies to Hussey and Ponting (if they make it that far).
 

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