Im so happy the AFL hasn't bowed to the PC crowd allowing Hannah to play.
Play Nice Hannah Mouncey, transgender AFLW hopeful
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It does simplify things, and don't think having her would be a plus. On the minus side, I don't think she would have been picked anyway, so they AFL looks the bad guy to no benefit.
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She came second in the VFL goal scoring surely someone would have taken her
Vescio won, and only played a handful of games. A whole bunch of top players played limited games. I think most of her goals were early, then she got worked out a bit.
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cliffs: Do I think male and female tennis players should be paid the same? Absolutely I do.
You talk about equal pay at the majors, this is a relatively new phenomenon spurred on by political correctness rather than what is right. You mention the ratings in Japan. Maybe that had something to do with a Japanese woman winning and becoming number one. I'm sure ratings in Switzerland have been good the past 15 years. Why do you think that is?
Men's tennis generates more advertising dollars, more sponsorship dollars, higher ratings, bigger crowds, etc etc, but even if you ignore all that, the only thing that you can compare is length of time on court. There is simply zero justification for men to play longer than women. Are women too weak? Are the women not fit enough? Do women need to be treated softly because they are precious delicate little flowers? Given that the top women spend minimal time on court, they have an opportunity the top men do not. They are able to supplement their singles income with doubles and mixed doubles, something no man at the top of his game could even contemplate.
Your ridiculous comment about men being triggered is a juvenile argument. You are arguing for inequality.
Anyway, we have a Tennis forum and I would encourage you to put your thoughts down here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/equal-prizemoney.1157017/
If men played best-of-3 sets and women played best-of-5 sets and women always* played 2nd at night I have no doubt people would scream sexism, and rightly so. [*thankfully this has changed in recent years, and men do not always play last at night]
You talk about equal pay at the majors, this is a relatively new phenomenon spurred on by political correctness rather than what is right. You mention the ratings in Japan. Maybe that had something to do with a Japanese woman winning and becoming number one. I'm sure ratings in Switzerland have been good the past 15 years. Why do you think that is?
Men's tennis generates more advertising dollars, more sponsorship dollars, higher ratings, bigger crowds, etc etc, but even if you ignore all that, the only thing that you can compare is length of time on court. There is simply zero justification for men to play longer than women. Are women too weak? Are the women not fit enough? Do women need to be treated softly because they are precious delicate little flowers? Given that the top women spend minimal time on court, they have an opportunity the top men do not. They are able to supplement their singles income with doubles and mixed doubles, something no man at the top of his game could even contemplate.
Your ridiculous comment about men being triggered is a juvenile argument. You are arguing for inequality.
Anyway, we have a Tennis forum and I would encourage you to put your thoughts down here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/equal-prizemoney.1157017/
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I’ve just read the last few pages. Jatz, you are just about my favourite Eagles supporting poster.
I enjoy tennis, I suspect unlike the warriors who proclaim that it should be equal sets for equal pay, considering they didn’t even know that men’s and women’s tennis have different governing bodies. Plenty of men’s games are dominated by fast serves, so that a long rally is quite rare. Women’s tennis tends to have longer rallies. Perhaps they should be paid by how many times the ball goes over the net? Should they get paid more for their 3 set matches than the men do for their (shorter) three set matches in the minor competitions?
Within men’s tennis, Federer’s points tend to be quicker compared to Nadal because Nadal is a baseline player. Fed’s matches are 20 minutes shorter than Nadal’s on average. Perhaps Fed is overpaid?
Of course my questions are just as (but no more) stupid as the equal sets for equal pay argument.
As for AFLW, it’s in its third year of competition. It’s already improved in quality in under three years, and in a few more years I can see people paying to fill stadiums to watch it. It’s a different product to AFL, but the passion and endeavour are every bit as exciting to this watcher.
The other issue that has been suggested is that transgender players should only play as the gender they were born as. I wanted to point out that not all people are born as one clear gender. There is a sizeable number of babies born of indeterminate gender. Nothing is as black and white as we would wish.
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Which gender do you think Mouncey most closely resembles?
There really isn't.
About one in 45,000 children are born without a clearly identifiable sex.
Source: https://www.abc.net.au/science/slab/intersex/default.htm
Which equates to a total of 546 people in the entirety of Australia (24.6M), or 6 live births each year. I.e. virtually nobody.
Or another way of putting it: Your 4 times more likely to get hit by lightning.
Nah. Chances of being struck by lightning in a year is 1 in 280,000 according to a random search I found.
And alongside those stats are the children born with genitalia that are different but identifiably one gender rather than the other.
I’m pretty sure the numbers of many rare cancers are “virtually nobody” too, but those people who suffer them may not like being discounted quite as readily.
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The equal pay and best of 3 v best of 5 debate is relevant to grand slams only.
Grand slams for both sexes are run by the ITF.
ATP & WTA are separate bodies that run the tours throughout the year, they do not run the grand slams where the equal pay debate is centred.
Rare cancers are 1 in 2000. I.e. 23 times more common than your birth statistics.
They also have high mortality and morbidity; unlike a far rarer and entirely non-lifethreatening sexual characteristic. Hence the discrepancy.
You are apparently fond of pulling numbers from an orifice.
“A rare cancer is defined as a type of cancer that has less than 6 incidences per year per 100,000 population.”
https://canceraustralia.gov.au/about-us/news/rare-and-less-common-cancers
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Anyway the point I was making was that not everyone fits into a dichotomy at birth. Or later. Which makes black and white rules for men and women difficult. [/FONT]
The EU does most of the research on rare cancers and they define as 5 in 10,000.
I thought your point was that a significant number of people are born intersex, which is not true.
Sex does not equal gender. Sex is biological while gender is a social construct. Sorry if this seems pedantic, but it's a pretty important distinction to make.
Thanks for this. It seems that different fields of study use the word differently. I was unaware of that.
There are only two genders though so sex and genders do match each other.
This gender madness is like God. You can choose to believe in it if you want but it doesn't mean others have to recognise it or give it any credence.
Gender atheists.
People are starting to cotton on to how ludicrous this is going to become going forward.
When you read a line like:
"If you say that trans women with a penis must not compete in women's sports , that's transphobic."
How can one not think the world is losing its collective mind if people think that statement is nothing but insane.
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Call me old fashioned.....but I prefer women without dicks.
