Happy with Ackland?

[DIG]

What if he isn't worth pick 17 or 19? Do you want us paying over the odds while a midfielder who we rank higher slips through?

A couple of the more respectable phantom drafts have Renouf going later than the 2nd round. Can't see us passing up a gun midfielder for a lesser ruck - we'll be going best available, in the early and middle rounds at least.

 

[crazy_big_al]

He is seriously a poor football player. he has very little heart or desire. He thinks he is awesome but he clearly is not. The bloke has talent but it is wasted beucase he has a heart the size of a pea.

 

[Jeremias]

He is seriously a poor football player. he has very little heart or desire. He thinks he is awesome but he clearly is not. The bloke has talent but it is wasted beucase he has a heart the size of a pea.

Sounds like a bit of a 'bad boy'. If anyone can change that, it is Denis Pagan. Remember a similar scenario with Brendan Fevola a few years back. Denis had a serious chat to him, and the rest, as they say, is history. Hopefully Denis can do the same with Cain.

 

[Quazza]

happy with it.Still young in in "ruck years" hopefully he can further elevate his game and be a blue for years to come

 

[ShlomoGlickstein]

Shlomo isn't on?

Just coz I speak the truth doesn't mean I hate this club, nor subscribe to the idiotic 'group think' that has seen us bottom dwellers the last four years.

I just dislike our coach who has not only got us by the short and curlies, but he also has the ignorance, lack of foresight and flat out hubris that makes an Islamic mufti almost seem 'progressive' by comparison. Hence why Carlton and the Islamics are at the bottom of the ladder and will stay there unless they adapt to the modern game.

The contract Acland got is totally generous. I didn't realise such a poor team can afford to give such charity.

 

[Heff]

How old are you?

Honestly, I don't mean to be insulting, but can you PLEASE speak properly? Do you have ay idea how long it takes some of us to decipher some of your posts?

lol i was thinking the same thing

 

[aron_rox]

Hahahahah.

What A Great Pick

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

At least some of us knew what we were getting .

can we redo the poll???

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Considering French and Deluca retired and Bryan was flicked, our ruck stocks were ummm McLaren and ummmmm .... yup that's it. We got Ackland for the right reasons and thought he might replicate a decent 2005 season with the Saints after being injured during 2006. It didn't pan out but he did it for the right reasons or else we would have had no rucks at all.

 

[thylacine60]

He is seriously a poor football player. he has very little heart or desire. He thinks he is awesome but he clearly is not. The bloke has talent but it is wasted beucase he has a heart the size of a pea.

How accurate a description did we want?

 

[Beloved]

I'm very happy that we picked up Ackland infact. Think about it, if we didn't pick up Cain, we would have been down one more ruckman. Being another ruckman down would have meant that we would a) would have had to bring Hampson, Jacobs of Aisake in early or b) bring Setanta u from defence, having one less backman, conceding another ton of goals, probably ending up with the wooden spoon.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

After having read through that thread.

I've seriously lost some respect for some of you lol

 

[Salaryman]

After having read through that thread.

I've seriously lost some respect for some of you lol

Pffft, how is that big comfy armchair looking harry???

As ODN said it was McLaren or bust when we picked up Cain.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Pffft, how is that big comfy armchair looking harry???

As ODN said it was McLaren or bust when we picked up Cain.

Managed to catch any of JR's games lately Gilly?

 

[Salaryman]

Managed to catch any of JR's games lately Gilly?

You better have your top 50 list out before the draft and on my desk this year harry, or else STFU

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I'd rather err on the side of supporting the player than writing off a player that proves me wrong.

A lot of players have been written off on these boards in the past. Carrazzo, Simpson, Bower, Betts, Waite, Grigg ... in fact at one point or another pretty much every player on our list has been written off by somebody.

Instead of bringing up threads where someone supporter a player, we should be dragging up more threads where someone has bagged one of their own and they have gone on to be good players. Infinitely more shame involved in that one.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Sorry Gilly, did you say something?

... all I got was:

Leave Wayne Hughes alone

 

[Salaryman]

Sorry Gilly, did you say something?

... all I got was:

Mate, stick to something you know about, like bumming your pal DC . The Bannister clan are the biggest tools on BF

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Mate, stick to something you know about, like bumming your pal DC . The Bannister clan are the biggest tools on BF

All I'm saying is that Banno has a lot more to offer than JR, and I'm, sure DC and myself are not alone in that opinion.

Your opinion on this matter is tainted however, given your conflict of interest - you being a Wayne Hughes groupie and all ....

I know hindsight is a wonderfull thing, but time and time again you fail to at least even acknowledge that recruiting Jordan Russel at #9 was a mistake.

 

[Salaryman]

All I'm saying is that Banno has a lot more to offer than JR, and I'm, sure DC and myself are not alone in that opinion.

Your opinion on this matter is tainted however, given your conflict of interest - you being a Wayne Hughes groupie and all ....

I know hindsight is a wonderfull thing, but time and time again you fail to at least even acknowledge that recruiting Jordan Russel at #9 was a mistake.

I am not a WH groupie, I think he has made mistakes, but no offense, but I also think I am in a better position to judge the bloke than you, having had a few conversations with him and closely following the draft the last couple of years.....WH has been in the game for 20 years and he knows his stuff.....does he still get some wrong? Yes. Do all recruiters get some wrong? Yes. Please don't make me wheel out the inexact science blurb again.

I still don't think we've seen the best of JR yet, whether it be at Carlton or elsewhere....however I do concede he hasn't come on as I had expected or hoped. I suspect he was drafted as an athlete suited to the modern game and on the back of a few good performances. Was it a mistake, well I don't believe something with as small a margin as this can be considered a mistake in such an inexact work domain..... Bate might have been better in hindsight, but all the recruiters rated Russell and it was doubtful he'd be around at 25. At the time we needed some taller mids with pace. He hasn't developed like one might have expected.....hardly a mistake.

Get over it an move on. As you know, Harry hindsight draft "experts" are my pet hate

 

[HBF]

I still don't think we've seen the best of JR yet, whether it be at Carlton or elsewhere....however I do concede he hasn't come on as I had expected or hoped.

And this is my biggest concern with JR Gilly. We have both discussed this at length, and his only position for him on the ground would be a lead up HF. I think he could do a good job in this spot, however, there would be other players that he would be fighting against.

He needs to show something this year, otherwise his chances of remaining a Carlton player in 2009 would be very difficult indeed.

 

[Salaryman]

And this is my biggest concern with JR Gilly. We have both discussed this at length, and his only position for him on the ground would be a lead up HF. I think he could do a good job in this spot, however, there would be other players that he would be fighting against.

He needs to show something this year, otherwise his chances of remaining a Carlton player in 2009 would be very difficult indeed.

Yes, HBF, agreed, but part of my point is to call it a drafting "mistake" you are not separating pre-draft JR from post-draft JR. There are some tools such as psychological profiling which can tell you some things such as their likelihood to fit into and adapt to being on an AFL list, but certain things you can't tell with respect to their development. It is easy to look at JR post-draft as a mistake...i think this is a by-product of some posters being able to distinguish between the player pre-draft and post-draft.

Raining in Noosa?? I see you couldn't stay away for the entire week

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Allow Dr. C4 to break it down for you:

I am not a WH groupie, I think he has made mistakes,

If you are willing to concede he has made mistakes - why can't you directly come out and admit that so far after 3 years on the list, Russell was a drafting blunder?

but no offense, but I also think I am in a better position to judge the bloke than you, having had a few conversations with him and closely following the draft the last couple of years.....

The above statement has little, if anything to do with the fact you can't admit Jordan Russel turned out to be a drafting blunder at pick #9.

What it does show however, is the fact you may be biased in your opinion given you have a conflict of interest; 'having spoken and had a few conversations with Wayne Hughes'.

Make no mistake, this isn't about me going after or having a go at "your mate" Hughesy, this about me making a statement about Jordan's development and how I (and many others) don't feel he contributes anything to the side, only to have you constantly defend Jordan as if I'm directly attacking Wayne Hughes' credibillity.

WH has been in the game for 20 years and he knows his stuff.....does he still get some wrong? Yes. Do all recruiters get some wrong? Yes. Please don't make me wheel out the inexact science blurb again

That's fantastic Gilly, now admit he got the Russel pick wrong.

I still don't think we've seen the best of JR yet, whether it be at Carlton or elsewhere....

I wouldn't hold my breath - I've seen next to no improvement in terms of his gameplay, sure he may have matured physically but he hasn't been able to implement that into his game.

however I do concede he hasn't come on as I had expected or hoped. I suspect he was drafted as an athlete suited to the modern game and on the back of a few good performances

He was drafted as a midfielder after WH saw him perform pretty well in a game with Ryan Griffen as his midfield partner. Only when we realised that he was never going to cut it as a midfielder at AFL level - did we decide to play him as a flanker and this whole rubbish "athelete adapted to the modern game" argument came about.

Was it a mistake, well I don't believe something with as small a margin as this can be considered a mistake in such an inexact work domain.....

It's a mistake - put it this way, if we had re-did the draft again; we wouldn't be selecting Russell at #9 or #25, knowing what we know now. Hindsight can still be used as a method of judgement.

Bate might have been better in hindsight,

Poppycock, just come out and say it: Bate IS better in hindsight

but all the recruiters rated Russell and it was doubtful he'd be around at 25. At the time we needed some taller mids with pace.

I appreciate the gambles that come with drafting - however, JUST ADMIT WE BUGGERED UP !

He hasn't developed like one might have expected.....hardly a mistake.

Using hindsight, you think picking up a player at #9 who has done SFA isn't deemed a mistake?

Get over it an move on. As you know, Harry hindsight draft "experts" are my pet hate

Noted

 

[HBF]

As we both know, the 2004 draft was fairly weak, and without going into it too much, there was probably only a handful of kids drafted after JR that we would like at Carlton. Believe me, i'd love to see JR turn it on this year, but I fear that we will never see it.

I'm not saying taking JR was a mistake, as we both know it is very hard for recruiters to get it right all of the time.

As for Noosa, the girls have gone shopping, and the other guy has gone fishing (snooze), so I thought i'd pop in here for a little while.

 

[Salaryman]

Stop being as idiotic and pig headed as your mate DC and grow up a little bit C4