Harcourt presentation "bombshell"

[DudleyB]

Just a question.

Do you honestly believe, that essendon was the only club on this type of program?

A 30,000 injections in 6 months type of program?

Absolutely certain they were the the only club on this kind of program.

Do I think individuals from other clubs have taken banned substances? Absolutely for certain. Bombers the only club running a systematic doping program from the top down though.

 

[JakeandFatman]

The lads at the bowls club will hand you a map to Tulla and tell you to piss off.

You won't be able to afford being at Tulla when the players lawyers are through with their legal action against the club. You'll have to move back to Windy Hill.

 

[Oneiros]

The lads at the bowls club will hand you a map to Tulla and tell you to piss off.

And you wouldn't want to cross 'em; tough old birds.

 

[Jobe Watson]

The use of GHRP 2 and 6 was done in late 2011 and early 2012. I have been on these boards for a while saying this.
A friend of mine was told by Dank directly that he gave these substances to Essendon. This is fact.
This friend has given evidence to ASADA. This is fact too.
When the AFL did blood samples in late 2012, the players had not received any GHRP for a few months. Blood tests would be of no use then.

How convenient.

We were doping our players to the eyeballs for a year and yet returned no positive tests to S2 banned substances.

 

[Silvagnis]

I guess when can add Ian Pendlebury to the list of pro-Essendon delusionalists.

Your trollls are responsible for this board becoming a joke with their deflections and white noise.

Listen to the lawyer speak by Prender.

Shame the Bombers didn't hire Dr Harcourt and sack Dr Reid. An impartial employee wouldn't be intimidated by Essendon's Old Boys Association and the fan syndrome that has run your club into the ground.

Imagine your surprise when IN's don't eventuate. Oh dear

Imagine if you were attacking the show cause notices, rather than the process because you know you're innnocent.

 

[Jam123]

no it wont they have SC issued with enough evidence - the testing issue is white noise

My post was referring to the detectability of TB4 in the sample. It is ridiculous how many times my posts are taken out of context on this board.

 

[lysp]

A 30,000 injections in 6 months type of program?

Absolutely certain they were the the only club on this kind of program.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hawks-set-the-pace-in-injection-science-20120924-26hhg.html

NEEDLES, blood, athletes - the combination has proved ruinous in elite sport, but in AFL football legal injecting is a burgeoning business that's accelerating the recovery of players and giving clubs that are willing to experiment an edge.

Groundbreaking Orthokine therapy, which involves a series of blood injections, did not get Hawthorn's Brent Guerra to the grand final in time, as the 2008 premiership player, who tore his hamstring 24 days ago, yesterday pulled the pin on his grand final hopes. However, the Hawks are at the forefront of a movement that Melbourne-based musculoskeletal radiologist Dr Paul Marks predicts will soon be commonplace across the AFL and lead to players banking their blood.

 

[Bazza37]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hawks-set-the-pace-in-injection-science-20120924-26hhg.html

"We need to change our biology for a little while,'' Dank
"Hawthorn more biologically advanced" Dank
"I hate them more than anyone'' Golden Boy

 

[Jobe Watson]

Your trollls are responsible for this board becoming a joke with their deflections and white noise.

I remember when delusional losers like me were deflecting by saying that ASADA would not be pursuing the use of AOD.

What happened there?

Listen to the lawyer speak by Prender.

Yeah, what a tosser... reiterating that the players asked for consent forms, asked for a presentation from those in charge, and even went directly to the coaches house to seek assurances that the drugs they were taking were safe and legal. Doesn't really sound like passive acceptance to me.

He was also right about the players developing cancer of the bollocks or whatever else - how is it fair to speculate on this when there is no evidence that this will occur?

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

You won't be able to afford being at Tulla when the players lawyers are through with their legal action against the club. You'll have to move back to Windy Hill.

AFL bailout. Lucky your bandwagon is full throttle at the moment, we be needing dat sweet handout coin from now on. We would never vote to merge with Melbourne though, you can be sure of that.

 

[Redacted Boner]

Having an Essendon supporter (with a Hird icon) blurt on about ethics, morals, rules, regulations and legalities is rather sickening...
you're more twisted than i thought!
Now for this Essendon supporter to be questioning someone elses ethics, morals etc is just down right WRONG!
I now firmly believe Essendon should be in a league of their own as you have so succinctly proven you believe you are above and beyond the AFL...something along the lines of the UFC would be more suited.

Overeem to full forward. Daniher is a twig.
Chael Sonnen strength and conditioning coach.
Essendon could try a Brazilian "experiment" like with the Irish lads, Vitor, Palhares and Thiago Silva injecting some pace through the midfield.

 

[JakeandFatman]

AFL bailout. Lucky your bandwagon is full throttle at the moment, we be needing dat sweet handout coin from now on. We would never vote to merge with Melbourne though, you can be sure of that.

AFL bailout? ROFL. More like AFL loan meaning you have to pay it back over time and miss out on TV rights money.

Will be awesome seeing your club literally destroyed for the next 20 years.

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

AFL bailout? ROFL. More like AFL loan meaning you have to pay it back over time and miss out on TV rights money.

Will be awesome seeing your club literally destroyed for the next 20 years.

Best of luck with that, knuckles

 

[Ancient Tiger]

How convenient.

We were doping our players to the eyeballs for a year and yet returned no positive tests to S2 banned substances.

It wasn't convenient. This is what happened...
My friend asked me about GHRP 2 & 6 as Dank had told him he was administering them to the Essendon players. Dank assured my friend they were permitted substances. My friend asked me at a social gathering if this was true. This friend is not medical and since I am medically trained with specific interests in pharmacology he thought he'd get my opinion. You have to realise that back in March 2012 the talk of GHRP 2 & 6 was almost non existent. I told him I'd find out about the substances.
When I looked up the ASADA and WADA sites I quickly discovered that these compounds were in fact banned.
I emailed my friend back with what I found. This is the email I still have in my possession. It is time stamped March 2012 and has the compounds GHRP 2 & 6 on it as well as the fact it was given to Essendon.
When my friend received the email, he rang up Dank and told him that these substances were banned. Dank immediately denied he ever mentioned having given these drugs to Essendon (my friend knows Dank through anti ageing business he runs). He changed the subject!
I imagine that Dank stopped using these drugs about then. However, potentially, he had used them in the entire 2012 preseason. It is no wonder when blood tests were done later in 2012 they were negative. In fact, the injuries that Essendon players sustained in the latter part of 2012 has been speculated to be caused by players trying to do the same loads as they were doing earlier whilst on assistance and then being unable to reach those targets whilst off them.

This is 100% true. Obviously you don't have to believe me as that is your choice.
The only thing that I can say is that maybe, just maybe, Dank was lying to my friend in the first place. But why would he say such a lie and also say that these drugs were all above board?

 

[Laphroaig]

Essendon could try a Brazilian "experiment"

Lets see the players try to say they didn't know that THIS was going on....

A huge part of the brazilian waxing technique is to have the client in a semi-sitting position. It is better than lying flat, because he is going to lend a helping hand or two. I have to make it quite clear that the client might have to get into some strange positions.

The client will have to open his legs wide, or lift one leg at a time, sometimes stand doggy-style, etc. This is necessary for the waxing technician to reach everywhere.

 

[I Rock]

It wasn't convenient. This is what happened...
My friend asked me about GHRP 2 & 6 as Dank had told him he was administering them to the Essendon players. Dank assured my friend they were permitted substances. My friend asked me at a social gathering if this was true. This friend is not medical and since I am medically trained with specific interests in pharmacology he thought he'd get my opinion. You have to realise that back in March 2012 the talk of GHRP 2 & 6 was almost non existent. I told him I'd find out about the substances.
When I looked up the ASADA and WADA sites I quickly discovered that these compounds were in fact banned.
I emailed my friend back with what I found. This is the email I still have in my possession. It is time stamped March 2012 and has the compounds GHRP 2 & 6 on it as well as the fact it was given to Essendon.
When my friend received the email, he rang up Dank and told him that these substances were banned. Dank immediately denied he ever mentioned having given these drugs to Essendon (my friend knows Dank through anti ageing business he runs). He changed the subject!
I imagine that Dank stopped using these drugs about then. However, potentially, he had used them in the entire 2012 preseason. It is no wonder when blood tests were done later in 2012 they were negative. In fact, the injuries that Essendon players sustained in the latter part of 2012 has been speculated to be caused by players trying to to the same loads as they were doing earlier whilst on assistance and then being unable to reach those targets whilst off them.

This is 100% true. Obviously you don't have to believe me as that is your choice.
The only thing that I can say is that maybe, just maybe, Dank was lying to my friend in the first place. But why would he say such a lie and also say that these drugs were all above board?

Have you contacted ASADA?

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Have you contacted ASADA?

My friend who was the guy that spoke to Dank first hand was interviewed by ASADA and he told them all of this.
All my information is hearsay.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Have you contacted ASADA?

AT has already said that the friend gave evidence to ASADA.

 

[Redacted Boner]

Lets see the players try to say they didn't know that THIS was going on....

A huge part of the brazilian waxing technique is to have the client in a semi-sitting position. It is better than lying flat, because he is going to lend a helping hand or two. I have to make it quite clear that the client might have to get into some strange positions.

The client will have to open his legs wide, or lift one leg at a time, sometimes stand doggy-style, etc. This is necessary for the waxing technician to reach everywhere.

I was referring to Brazilian fighters who have been busted for ped's, not waxing.

Thanks for the horrific mental imagery though.

 

[Tiger2709]

How convenient.

We were doping our players to the eyeballs for a year and yet returned no positive tests to S2 banned substances.

So Dank did the job that Hird and the EFC football department employed him to do.

This is why samples are kept for many years, because usually tests for banned substances lag behind production of these banned substances.

 

[Tiger_man322]

So the AFL knew, yet claims they didn't.
Concerns over how many injections. Not one single Essendon player thought the same though
Probable use of growth hormones.

Yet, Essendon supporters are still spinning it to make AFL and ASADA look bad.

 

[ziad]

I remember when delusional losers like me were deflecting by saying that ASADA would not be pursuing the use of AOD.

What happened there?


Yeah, what a tosser... reiterating that the players asked for consent forms, asked for a presentation from those in charge, and even went directly to the coaches house to seek assurances that the drugs they were taking were safe and legal. Doesn't really sound like passive acceptance to me.

He was also right about the players developing cancer of the bollocks or whatever else - how is it fair to speculate on this when there is no evidence that this will occur?

One huge problem here.

The coach was running the show.

 

[lones37]

Just a question.

Do you honestly believe, that essendon was the only club on this type of program?

My god i can't believe the stupidity in your mob.

Given the ACC was tracking customs at the time and intercepting everything of this nature coming in, its fair to say that yes, no other club did any program like this.

They got Charters, and they got the VFL player/s.

Fairly certain if there were any other clubs they would have been done by now.

One day you will wake up and accept reality.

Your club use PEDs, lots of them.

And the truth will come out for all too see, no matter how long it takes.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Your apology is accepted

Your ethical values are as worthless as the incessant, misinformed posting on these boards in the grand scheme of things.

Another worthless entity in all of this seems to be your "understanding". ASADA have decided not to pursue the matter any further because their "understanding" is that they will not be able to get the case over the line. Perhaps if you are so insistent on the AOD case being a viable undertaking, you should contact ASADA and offer your expert advice. Let us know how receptive they are to your offer.

Now while you snuggle up to your warm fuzzy morals and preach them to all who care to listen, our players will cleared on the cold hard basis of rules, regulations and legalities. Mull that over as you dwell in your righteous indignation and let me know how many flags moral high ground wins for your organisation.

Love your work Iggy. Forever stoic. Occasionally full of BS.

Cheers

Knackers

 

[hoianbulldog]

Yes, who the hell cares about ethics? Surely not Essendon who pumped experimental substances into their players that's for damned sure. And whilst it is a very small possibility that Essendon gets away with it because of a technicality, it in no way diminishes their deplorable actions. You should be so proud.

If you keep putting wood on a fire it will keep burning. Leave him and he will go away, he has been trolling for weeks now just baiting everyone. Nobody could be as stupid as he makes out to be.