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All of them run defensively harder and more than Zaharakis. Even Chap, who spends more time up forward than the others.
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Lol really, thats the arguement you are going with?
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If you play in the midfield, you're required to have some sort of defensive responsibility. Zaka struggles with his off the ball defensive responsibilities. Always has
And so does every other midfielder we have other than Hocking and Myers, ironically enough.
There is a reason that our performances are so lack luster.
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Hence my criticism of all the guys in the middle at the moment
Trying to look at this objectively. If you agree that we are not good enough to contend for a premiership based on the following factors:
- lack outside run around the middle
- lack speed off halfback
- lack a decent ruckman
- have no medium sized forwards capable of kicking 40 goals a year
- lack a small forward(s) capable of kicking 30-40 goals a year and stopping rebounds that costs goals
And than we will face the following imminent situation:
- champions midfielders soon to retire or become less effective (Watson, Goddard, Stanton, Winders, Cooney) and Chapman in attack
With these issues, where is our lust presently and with the view if winning premierships, what's the best way forward? Saints (2013) and Carlton (2015) have decided to announce full rebuilds. Bulldogs the same.
It's hard for clubs to do full rebuilds as this isn't conducive to off field prosperity. However, at what expense is doing what's right and in the best interests of achieving on field success Vs trying to be competitive every week and vying for a finals spot in the bottom half of the eight?
The next two weeks, if not already, will likely be a defining period within the four walls of the TVSC when we will be probably confronting these questions.
Interesting times.
- lack outside run around the middle
- lack speed off halfback
- lack a decent ruckman
- have no medium sized forwards capable of kicking 40 goals a year
- lack a small forward(s) capable of kicking 30-40 goals a year and stopping rebounds that costs goals
And than we will face the following imminent situation:
- champions midfielders soon to retire or become less effective (Watson, Goddard, Stanton, Winders, Cooney) and Chapman in attack
With these issues, where is our lust presently and with the view if winning premierships, what's the best way forward? Saints (2013) and Carlton (2015) have decided to announce full rebuilds. Bulldogs the same.
It's hard for clubs to do full rebuilds as this isn't conducive to off field prosperity. However, at what expense is doing what's right and in the best interests of achieving on field success Vs trying to be competitive every week and vying for a finals spot in the bottom half of the eight?
The next two weeks, if not already, will likely be a defining period within the four walls of the TVSC when we will be probably confronting these questions.
Interesting times.
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He was only up against a bunch of kids.
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Heppell is ****ing reigning AA midfielder. He's the very definition of elite.
Stop cross referencing meaningless awards and watch him play.
Then go and watch Pendlebury play. Take note of the gap and work backwards from there.
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Its strange to single out Goddard - He is always a victim of playing to coaches instruction - There is a reason why Goddard usually plays ten metres off the stoppage - That's because he is a good user of the ball.
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Yes - To be fair to Rohan, he didn't place us in his final eight at the beginning of the year - And he has been saying the same things for two years.
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What ? Posted at the beginning of the year that if we don't finals in the next two years that Hird is gone.
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We just need some imagination at the selection table.
Kav, Browne and McKernan have played well. Send them in. Switch Hurley around occasionally for a whole game. Play Ambrose as tagger.
If shit ain't working don't keep serving it up when there are other options.
Kav, Browne and McKernan have played well. Send them in. Switch Hurley around occasionally for a whole game. Play Ambrose as tagger.
If shit ain't working don't keep serving it up when there are other options.
He gets caught in the drag net when people think about the top up which in reality could not be further from the truth.
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Apart from the whole 'win general play, forward hilarity ensues' thing that's come to define the last 3 years (and given the entire forward rotation has been brought together in that time frame does it really surprise anyone?) we're not in that bad a spot, at least not to the extent that people have said we are in the last 24 hours, people are overreacting, which is fair enough because it's f***ing frustrating, but still overreacting.
That game wasn't a watershed 'reached the peak and now we're on the way down' moment, it just perfectly typified our issues. Right now we're a bit like the saints in about 08ish, without the benefit of the best big forward and the best small forward of the last decade in the font half.
Right now an example of a hard decision would be putting Chapman out to pasture, letting Bellchambers actually recover some fitness or moving someone like Howlett to the periphery in favour of someone like Browne or Kavanagh, a hard decision is not flipping our shit and deciding that we may as well get rid of everyone.
Amazingly enough building a list almost completely from scratch does take time
That game wasn't a watershed 'reached the peak and now we're on the way down' moment, it just perfectly typified our issues. Right now we're a bit like the saints in about 08ish, without the benefit of the best big forward and the best small forward of the last decade in the font half.
Right now an example of a hard decision would be putting Chapman out to pasture, letting Bellchambers actually recover some fitness or moving someone like Howlett to the periphery in favour of someone like Browne or Kavanagh, a hard decision is not flipping our shit and deciding that we may as well get rid of everyone.
Amazingly enough building a list almost completely from scratch does take time
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Very good summary.
Feel you're being a tad harsh on our defensive structures. Hurley, Hooker and Baguley should all come into consideration if the AA team was announced this week. The thing lacking from half back is the disposal or lack there of from the supposed good ball users (Hibberd, Dempsey).
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Its taking a while but most are catching on now.
Connolly isnt perfect but at least he knows about the teams and discusses the game itself. One of the few football journalists that actually does so.
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Connolly: Essendon list not capable of a premiership
Mathew Langdon | 31 May 2015, 01:31PM
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After losing to Richmond in favourite son Dustin Fletcher’s 400th game, Rohan Connolly has taken aim at the Essendon football club, saying they are nowhere near ready to challenge the AFL’s best.
Speaking on SEN Sunday Preview, Connolly said the club has several on field issues that are becoming impossible to ignore.
“It’s already been 15 years since Essendon’s last premiership, and the next one isn’t coming any time soon,” he said.
“Essendon’s meek performance against a steadfast Richmond in Dustin Fletcher’s 400th game would have been disappointing enough for the Bombers in isolation.”
“But another lifeless display in what is turning into another mediocre season might have raised a couple of questions, the answers to which go way beyond the mere loss of a few games.”
“In seven games since they beat Hawthorn in round two, [Essendon] have produced perhaps no more than two quarters of anything like the sort of football required to challenge the best teams.”
“Yes, their best can be very good, but the spasmodic nature of those highs is far outweighed by the pedestrian, error riddled and ineffective brand of footy Essendon plays far longer.”
In a nutshell, the Bombers aren’t nearly as good as they might have thought they were.”
With the spectre of a WADA investigation still looming large over the club, Connolly said it has more than likely had a mental effect on the playing group.
“Has the supplement saga produced a couple of spinoffs which for Essendon could be just as damaging?”
“I suspect it has.”
“One might be a sense of loyalty to the players involved in it which seems to have ensured too many from poor and inconsistent performances and another may well be that Essendon after being delivered a handful of emotion charged, backs to the wall wins over the same period may have overestimated just what its list is actually capable of.”
“With the second oldest list in the competition and the impact of the draft penalties they were served still to be fully realised, that could leave them in football purgatory for some time yet.”
Essendon face fellow strugglers Geelong at Etihad Stadium next Saturday.
Unfortunately he's right
The problem is that we've stopped building and the ship is about 75% finished. What happens at the end of the year? Browne, Kav, Dalgleish and lets say Edwards just get chopped from the list because we couldn't find them the game time which we were giving to the top ups (including the ones already on the list)?
What have we built then? What about the millions that have been invested in growing our own which will have been thrown away because we decided to change our plans? Are we seriously going to waste the work we have done to this point because Hird and the club can't see the forest from the trees?
I would love for nothing more than for Hird to be the guy that develops these players and coaches them when the play senior footy but he is so ****ing compromised it is not funny. I don't see how he can continue to coach unless there is a Eade/Dogs, Thompson/Cats moment during which it is made absolutely clear that he get back on track coaching a team that needs to finish the build that started about 7 years ago now or he can walk through the exit door.
Honestly, he is too driven for his own good and I very much doubt that he will work out. It would require a significant admission of defeat which he is almost certainly incapable of.
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Need to inject some youth and pace into the side.
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what can ya do when the club was kicked out of round 1 an 2 in the NAB AFL Drafts for 2 years, ro ro forgets that