Roast Hardwick outcoached again

[tugga]

Ths thread is the very epitome of why bigfooty has such a bad rep in the general public.

 

[juss]

At the centre bounce after White's goal we still had 6 forwards. Don't know why we needed 6 forwards with less than 2 minutes to go. At least 1 or 2 should have gone to defensive 50 and another 1 charge into the centre square after the bounce (from the defensive side) to try and lock it up for as many stoppages as possible.

Letting Ballantine have enough space to score the goal I'd just inexcusable rookie stuff.

 

[Dragonss]

Christ almighty.

If I were a mod, people like you would be banned just for being stupid.

huh. look at my profile pic.

 

[jko'neal]

AFL coaches should not have to teach highly paid players the basics of footy. Every single Richmond player should have been in the defensive half late, with 3 minimum on or in front of the goal line. That's schoolboy stuff!

 

[_Wang_]

Is that your 20th post in dire defense of Hardwick just tonight, flea? You're busier than your namesake.

Let me ask you a question, mate. When a club loses games it should win too often, does the board sack the players, or the coach? Blame the players as much as you like (quite a few deserved a roast tonight), but it won't help Hardwick when the time comes.

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Freo were a tactical rabble under Harvey. People can say what they like about Lyon's style of game or his personality, but his sides are always well drilled and well coached as a result. When they hit the front their forwards ran back into defense and our defenders just looked around at each other like stunned mullets, until Ellis of all players took the initiative and ran forward. Clearly none of the defenders had ever been given any advice about what to do in this situation.

I nearly snorted my nose clean off my face when I was reading comments defending Hardwick's lack of flood, on the basis that it took too long to get a message to the players from the box. Did Ross Lyon's players need a message from the box to flood back, or had they already been well drilled in what to do? Are Freo's - and St. Kilda's for that matter - players really just way more intelligent than ours? I don't believe that for a second.

The real issue is not whether Hardwick taught this or that (many of them things I learned in primary school football), but whether or not it has sunk in. WTF else matters?

The set up on that last defensive play we completely blew IS coaching, it wouldn't happen in a Ross Lyon side, it's been happening to the SAME PLAYERS for years under Hardwick.

I will say one thing for him though, it's good he's finally woken up to playing Jackson as a pure tagger. His shut-down on Fyfe (switching from Mundy, who he started on for some bizarre reason known only to our coaches) from the 2nd quarter onwards was very important to keeping us in the game.

Ultimately, having just lost to two sides who were missing key stars and vulnerable, we've blown a golden opportunity to really set up our season by being 5-0. People can blame all kinds of things for that, but to me, significantly more blame lies with Hardwick than anything else you could point your finger at. We had Freo on the ropes in terms of the personnel they were missing, just like Collingwood last week, but we again lacked the brains in the box to make full use of our advantage.

Predictable..

 

[captain blood 17]

I read the first 5 posts, saw Tuggs on the last page. To quote Brian Taylor. Wowee.
A question for the OP, when has sacking the coach ever worked at Richmond? What if the players had been trained or it, but choked and didn't execute what had been taught over the summer?
Usual ****wit thread after a loss which embarrasses us all. And good to see the usual suspects make their points after a loss.

 

[cairo tiger]

we have some really silly footballers but our coaching staff led by the head honcho have not instilled a winning ethos- I read the paper and all hardwick can say is complain about the umpires, why dont you look at the quality of footballer you are producing, the program you are producing and the game plan your are producing and look at yourselfs in the mirror and get real. our suporters deserve more than this.

 

[Terry Tan]

Destroying football.

It's trench warfare, if you're not up for a contest don't come. It's finals football bought into the season proper.

You have to climb over our blokes, clawing at you all the way, anyone who beats Freo has to earn it. And I love it.

We're not saying it's not winning footy - but it sure is ugly footy to watch. Lyon's game style has not won a flag yet, so time will tell.

Lyon's Freo are a tough defensive proposition, but rarely score enough so the opposition is always a chance. But he's still miles ahead of Harvey.

 

[_RT_]

The set up on that last defensive play we completely blew IS coaching, it wouldn't happen in a Ross Lyon side, it's been happening to the SAME PLAYERS for years under Hardwick.

We had at least 14 players in our D50 on that last play and everyone of them was either goal side or corridor side of their opponent. The fact is the ball bounced off of Ballantyne onto Jackson and then back into Ballantynes hands. So I wouldn't say it was coaching that cost us, rather the bounce of an oval shaped ball, the same ball that 10 seconds earlier was heading for a behind but bounced the wrong way and hit the post for that throw in.

The thing is if the ball goes through for a behind instead of hitting the post we would have most likely held on to the lead and won the game and this thread wouldn't have been created and a number of posters who are now complaining would probably be celebrating the fact that we were 4-1. Amazing what happens as a result of the bouncing ball.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

anyone who thinks hardwick not sending/telling some of his forwards down back clearly dont have a clue. Its hardwicks job to get the runners to go down to the forward like and say "jack, vickery, head down to the backline to flood it"

amateur coaching

Please explain why Freo did it straight away after Ballantyne kicked the goal??Has nothing to do with Hardwick,Once again our leadership on the field failed us again.

 

[Googstar]

I understand he has brought us from a long way back but....

I'm sorry but his match day coaching is woeful. He is in his fourth year now. Can anyone give me a game in that 4 years (thats about 70 games) that he has out coached the opposition.

 

[_RT_]

I understand he has brought us from a long way back but....

I'm sorry but his match day coaching is woeful. He is in his fourth year now. Can anyone give me a game in that 4 years (thats about 70 games) that he has out coached the opposition.

Round 7 2012 - 29 point win over the eventual premiers Sydney.
Round 9 2012 - 62 point win over the eventual runners up Hawthrorn
How about those 2 for a start.

 

[Googstar]

Round 7 2012 - 29 point win over the eventual premiers Sydney.
Round 9 2012 - 62 point win over the eventual runners up Hawthrorn
How about those 2 for a start.

Rightio. In those 2 games, what did he actually do?

 

[_RT_]

Rightio. In those 2 games, what did he actually do?

Won them both when not many gave us a chance of doing just that.

 

[the push up king]

Rightio. In those 2 games, what did he actually do?

Your one of those idiots that bases his opinion on SFA. You personally have no idea what decisions are or are not made!!!

Just opinions based in nothing! ABSOLUTELY ****ING NOTHING.

Spare us all your bullshit

 

[docko911]

The only question I have is how many times do we have to lose close games before Hardwick will actually put extra players behind the ball like 3-4 that's what the other teams do its not science. I've seen Geelong keep a 1 goal lead for 5 minutes in the oppositions forward line surely we can do it for two.

Add to this the mistake of not playing a third man around Cloke last week and you can see two big coaching mistakes that could have cost us games.

I'm not going to say Hardwick is a bad coach because he game plan could be what's getting us into these positions in the first place but he is making simple mistakes that seem to cost us games.

 

[HighFlyer]

Checklist for next year:
• Monster forward.
• Better backman than Rance
• A couple more gun mids

Jackson needs to go
Grigg needs to go

Jackson ... What game are you watching he kept us in it in patches last night with his gut running.

 

[Fishfingahz]

Jackson ... What game are you watching he kept us in it in patches last night with his gut running.

Whipping boy, he along with Rance and Riewoldt (by the media especially) are easy targets to put the torch to.

 

[Spagman]

Anyone criticising Jackson (ok his game ISN'T perfect and there were a couple of shoddy disposals) but his marking, gut running and strength was a real credit to him. He doesn't give up, nor does he drop his head. He just bloody gets on with it.

Everyone criticising him - when so much other stupid shit happened in that game last night - just needs to eff off and maybe go watch a replay.

I also recommend watching the game properly when it's on, not just looking up from Angry Birds when you hear the crowd roar.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Jackson has been our best player all year without the ball in hand.

 

[Bazzar]

heat needs to be finally turned up on him.
he is lyons bitch every time.
basic Dimma: you stack the backline and you put players on the defensive side of throw ins.

I am sick of losing games we could win. nothing has changed.
it is time to seriously look at his coaching.

Over reaction at its finest.
Even Richo said today the bench was furiously trying to get everyone back but it was the players on the ground who didnt react.
And in my opinion the reason the forwards didnt react was because the forward boss and general was sitting in the stands watching with a corked leg. Cotch and Reiwoldt should have had a bigger say and demand the back being stacked. As it was we had a standard 6 man forward set up.

 

[Mr Magic]

Yea that tape needs to be reviewed. Well played by Lyon, most ugly crap football style though. I am so angry, hmmm Hardwich. Close loses here they come!

I think some need to have a think about this , in these close tight games , men in white have a great say. Lyon is just playing the home , ala Swans, politics card of the last decade to get the win

 

[WATIGE]

Predictable..

Got five words in could feel the tone already - moved on to next post. Shame really, I used to enjoy reading his posts.

 

[Heisenberg_]

I read the first 5 posts, saw Tuggs on the last page. To quote Brian Taylor. Wowee.
A question for the OP, when has sacking the coach ever worked at Richmond? What if the players had been trained or it, but choked and didn't execute what had been taught over the summer?
Usual ****wit thread after a loss which embarrasses us all. And good to see the usual suspects make their points after a loss.

You're spot on, some of the people that post in here are a dead set embarrassment.

 

[_RT_]

Got five words in could feel the tone already - moved on to next post. Shame really, I used to enjoy reading his posts.

It's almost a case of a parent being upset that his kid has been replaced by another kid in the side and no matter what they just can't see the good the other kid brings to the table.