Roast Hardwick outcoached again

[Madtiger2006]

I reckon Cairo should go back to his work. It's way more important to him to be working overseas and getting rich

 

[cairo tiger]

I rate Dimma very highly, most coaches would have lost it in the presser after friday night, I think that is a good reflection of character. The boys will get there eventually.

bloke or coach?

 

[cairo tiger]

I reckon Cairo should go back to his work. It's way more important to him to be working overseas and getting rich

here we go again mt, round 2?

I can assure you I am not getting rich. I can also assure you, as stated before I keep an active involvement in the game, our great club and the way footy is moving. My comments are only my own and I appreciate the great bloke thing about dimma, but I question the way our coaching staff have taken the players to the next level in skill, knowledge, decision making, game strategy and thinking. That is thier role. That is what they are paid to do. For us members I for one see the same mistakes, the same poor skills under pressure and the same game plans. That is all, sorry for any innuendos about dimma as a person.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Haha.... Ahhh yes!
I didn't want to open it but I just had to.
Firstly when one opens the thread they need to consider that this very same OP less than 7 days ago announced that Ellis was a girl.
But what confounds me most after years and years of these threads is WTF are RFC doing FFS!!!
What is this bullshit process they go through to identify coaches when all they need to do is log onto Bigfooty.
Go to Forums-clubs-Richmond.

 

[The full package]

What an embarrassing thread.

Something good has come from it, I discovered your avatar

 

[The full package]

bloke or coach?

Both, I have to admit it's hard to see how the team structurally is playing when Fox footy persist with trying to get the perfect shot of "up a players nose" camera angles but I do know, when we tackle hard we look a different team. Watching Dimmas dissections each week I think he identifies our areas we need to improve in quite well. He has also rated our first 4 games very well 6 or 7/10. I know a previous coach that would have got completely carried away with our start to this year if he was coaching, he would have been super tanned by now for the media singing his own praises.

 

[Del65166]

for all the crapping on about how good freo are at flooding back.
If you look at the last pack mark, our 3 talls and their 3 defenders all flew for it, if we had a crumber out the back, we would've won.

 

[Del65166]

and there sure as hell wasn't 18 freo players all in their defensive 50, or even our 1/2 of the ground

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

and there sure as hell wasn't 18 freo players all in their defensive 50, or even our 1/2 of the ground

Yeah but he probably can't coach either.

 

[Del65166]

Please explain why Freo did it straight away after Ballantyne kicked the goal??Has nothing to do with Hardwick,Once again our leadership on the field failed us again.

as I say in my post above, check out the vision for the last 30 seconds, after their ruckman marks and kicks Ellis (i think) brings it back for us and
you will see that Freo have not flooded, and if we had a crumber out the back would have won the game.

Modern AFL is hard to lock down - the ball can move from end to end in less than 10 seconds.

I'm not sure if there is a magic solution to icing a close game. Is it better to be attacking or defensive?
Mentally I think you lose an edge if you try to go too defensive.

 

[velona]

I think this is probably the best dimma has coached against a Lyon coached team. Usually they just work us out and shut us down by the third quarter. The fact we were still in the game and should have won shows progress on the coaching front.

A few criticisms are..
1.should have went earlier with the sub
2.our forward structure didn't seem to work very well all game without much changing up
3.we were missing another tall in defence. Which was obvious from when Chaplin went off against collingwood. Not sure why griffiths didnt come in but he should have.

 

[BearMe]

What happened to all our summer training in working out how to close out tight games, Rance having a shocker, Pettard poor skills unable to kick going back to old times

 

[Riskingheadandshin]

What happened to all our summer training in working out how to close out tight games, Rance having a shocker, Pettard poor skills unable to kick going back to old times

Old times? Like when we got flogged every week?

 

[Harmichael]

Old times? Like when we got flogged every week?

Missing finals & getting flogged every week is all pretty much of a muchness when all's said & done. Both get old fast.

 

[theflea]

What happened to all our summer training in working out how to close out tight games, Rance having a shocker, Pettard poor skills unable to kick going back to old times

If you want a guarentee buy a sidcrome socket set.

 

[Rayzorwire]

What is this bullshit process they go through to identify coaches when all they need to do is log onto Bigfooty.
Go to Forums-clubs-Richmond.

Exactly, Rodney, well said my good man!

We may well have voted to leave Hardwick in Cairns at the train station and started planning for Ken Hinkley's accession.

Going by your theory every loss can be attributed to coaching or their teaching methods. Whether it be tackling pressure, flooding back, manning the goal line, etc - If the players aren't doing it, you're telling us it's the coaches fault?

To a point, yes.

We're in the fourth year of Hardwick's teaching now, but the basics still fall by the wayside. I'm not suggesting players won't make tactical blunders at times with positioning, but anyone could see which side was better drilled at the end of that game. On-field leaders are to blame as well, but to me, that just reinforces my point; if a coach hasn't even taught his on-field leaders what to do and how to organise and assert themselves in these situations, after four years, then of course something is amiss with the teaching.

Have you...

Answer the question for once.

Was Richo lying about what he saw? Hardwick himself admitted to something which never happened? You had a better view than everybody else, yet again?

 

[MightyTiger]

Something good has come from it, I discovered your avatar

You should see the full picture.

 

[_RT_]

Answer the question for once.

Was Richo lying about what he saw? Hardwick himself admitted to something which never happened? You had a better view than everybody else, yet again?

Don't know haven't seen it, what I have seen is the vision of 14 players in the D50 at the time of the throw in. So I'm not sure what Richo suggests is entirely true.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I'm always a bit dubious about these threads because we are so far removed that we don't have a clue really.
I've played a lot and coached a lot but I seriously think you can look like an imbecile at times trying to guess what's going on or critique league coaches and there systems, beliefs etc.
I figure unless you've been involved to this degree and I certainly haven't then its a bit silly.

One thing though that can be seen without speculating too much is player behaviors.
I do agree with Rayzorwire when he observes that the players being yelled at to push up the field is a concern that unless we have the most ignorant players ever can be seen as a direct reflection on the coach.
It's concerning that its not second nature for our players to react within a match without prompting.

I'm wondering if Dimma is one of these coaches that bestows a lot of ownership upon the players and judging by the way He let the defensive group raffle off the Travis Cloke match up I'm guessing perhaps that may be his approach.

If so then perhaps he should take that from them and start kicking them up the bum instead.
It's such a fine line.Mark Neeld gets criticized for being too harsh and direct and it was Pagans demise also.
I well remember a local team being coached by a notable name who adopted the player ownership way of coaching. It ended in the bemused group walking off the track and into the committee room to demand they sack him.
They wanted to be "coached".
I'm getting off track now but I do agree that the players not bing able to make smart decisions on the ground is a huge thing for us because its happened on numerous occasions at all different areas at different times of the game.

What the reason is I have no idea but one thing I do know is that its Dimmas problem.

 

[Terry Tan]

Dimma has made us competitive, but he's not the best match day coach.

It could be time to get Choco Williams into the coaches box on match day to help Dimma.

 

[CoggaRules]

How the **** does a team on its knees, financially, culturally, list wise(apparently), completely on its death bed come out with a new coach and learn and execute his game plan and be 5-0 as we speak, i.e. Port Power and here we have the tiges with apparently one of the best midfield uints on the planet, a couple of power forwards etc..been learning an apparent game plan for the last 3 years..etc etc and we stumble and splutter and basically have groundhog days against teams like Freo? It just doesnt add up, or does it?

Had a think about all the crap that has been talked about in the media over the weekend and it dawned on me...Dimma!!!....let the boys play their naturaly ****ing game and back their skill and talent...to much trigonometry and structure shit ****s with their pure footy skills...JR is our FF play him as a ****ing FF and back him, the rest let them use their instiincts and talent and back them as well...do away with this shit that has players having to think about everything but the footy!!!!

 

[Equus]

We already got a thread on this. I'll merge it together.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I'm always a bit dubious about these threads because we are so far removed that we don't have a clue really.
I've played a lot and coached a lot but I seriously think you can look like an imbecile at times trying to guess what's going on or critique league coaches and there systems, beliefs etc.
I figure unless you've been involved to this degree and I certainly haven't then its a bit silly.

One thing though that can be seen without speculating too much is player behaviors.
I do agree with Rayzorwire when he observes that the players being yelled at to push up the field is a concern that unless we have the most ignorant players ever can be seen as a direct reflection on the coach.
It's concerning that its not second nature for our players to react within a match without prompting.

I'm wondering if Dimma is one of these coaches that bestows a lot of ownership upon the players and judging by the way He let the defensive group raffle off the Travis Cloke match up I'm guessing perhaps that may be his approach.

If so then perhaps he should take that from them and start kicking them up the bum instead.
It's such a fine line.Mark Neeld gets criticized for being too harsh and direct and it was Pagans demise also.
I well remember a local team being coached by a notable name who adopted the player ownership way of coaching. It ended in the bemused group walking off the track and into the committee room to demand they sack him.
They wanted to be "coached".
I'm getting off track now but I do agree that the players not bing able to make smart decisions on the ground is a huge thing for us because its happened on numerous occasions at all different areas at different times of the game.

What the reason is I have no idea but one thing I do know is that its Dimmas problem.

Blame should be layed fairly and squarely on the fwd line players.Jack for one is in our "leadership group",He's the one that should have been proactive on weather he goes down or Mcguane or Vickery.I mean Justin Westhoff did it.Are our players that stupid?

 

[CoggaRules]

Blame should be layed fairly and squarely on the fwd line players.Jack for one is in our "leadership group",He's the one that should have been proactive on weather he goes down or Mcguane or Vickery.I mean Justin Westhoff did it.Are our players that stupid?

Dont think so man. I think its more that they have had it drummed into them to back the game plan, so much so that their pure footy instincts are compromised..

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Dont think so man. I think its more that they have had it drummed into them to back the game plan, so much so that their pure footy instincts are compromised..

.If they were backed to go with the game plan then why were the bench screaming at our fwds to flood the backline?I mean wouldn't that be part of the game plan?