Roast Hardwick outcoached again

[WATIGE]

And here we are again...

So when are you going to realise it is more than a flesh wound Ray???

 

[Bazzar]

Again where have I said they were wrong, there was about a minute of time(30-45 seconds of game time) between when we hit the front and when the Dockers kicked that last goal. Fair to suggest that the furiously trying to get players to flood back was during that time and not when the goal was kicked given the footage shows that we had14 players in the D50 at the time the goal was kicked, that is what I have been arguing, that we actually had flooded back unlike what you and others have claimed.

And in the last 6 seconds and the contested pack contest, Freo did not have one single player between that pack and the goal square, and that was 20 meters, and it was only Vickery and Ibbotson who kept their feet and got back to contest the ball 10 meters out.

Imagine if that was the Tiges with no one in Freo goal square, every so called expert would have smashed us and Dimma much worse than what they are doing now.

 

[theflea]

Yeah got that...stupid is stupid and that is why we are all in a constant catatonic state when it comes to the actions of some of our players

This is my argument about the coaching v players debate. do i think Dimma has to do better, yes but until our players HEED all the training/instruction from all the coaches and eliminate simple errors that cost us all the time we will not get better.

 

[Bazzar]

We have an Offensive Coach in Leppa, but only a Defensive Analyst in Ross Smith.

What is the difference between coach and analyst? Yes i do understand the meanings, but in coaching terms.

 

[cairo tiger]

I'm just teasing ya. Btw do you watch our games live overseas?

yes mt every time I can. this year I have seen tigers play 4 games.

coming home to see them play 3.

I want success just like you.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

We have lost 2 close games since the start on the NAB Cup, 1 if you don't count the game against the Roos in the triple header game. Along the way we won 5 close games, so I would suggest that the message is getting through, remember you can't win them all.

Any NAB cup result weather it's a win or loss by any margin with any team i take with a grain of salt,all it is is a televised praccy match.Its not about you can't win then all,Its about the proccess in place and simply due to lack of leadership on the field again,We lost another tight game.

 

[Robbo92]

As much as I love him, I reckon Cotch and the onfield leaders should shoulder most of the blame for this. We needed to stack the backline, should have been done. It was painfully obvious. The fact that players weren't goal side and the Ballantyne goal purely came down to individual errors, nothing to do with tactics or gameplan.

 

[_RT_]

Any NAB cup result weather it's a win or loss by any margin with any team i take with a grain of salt,all it is is a televised praccy match.Its not about you can't win then all,Its about the proccess in place and simply due to lack of leadership on the field again,We lost another tight game.

Finally someone understands who really is to blame in all of this.

 

[CoggaRules]

You could also say only a poor team could lose when 41 pts up. Any way you cut the eagles arent in form.

What you and others need to understand is that Port Power is one of the reasons that the line "the eagles are out of form" is being bandied about. Not the only reason, but lets say the Power lost to them by 41 points, would you be saying the eagles are out of form now? As for the other comparison, i.e your suggestion that you could say only a poor team could lose when 41 up, half way through the 3rd, do I need to bring out exhibit A - tigers R1? Yeah they didnt lose, but hey, if you are poor if you lose, then you must be close to poor if you fall over the line by under a goal too.

 

[_RT_]

And here we are again...

I'll assume this is you admitting you were wrong to criticise Hardwick in this case.

 

[CoggaRules]

As much as I love him, I reckon Cotch and the onfield leaders should shoulder most of the blame for this. We needed to stack the backline, should have been done. It was painfully obvious. The fact that players weren't goal side and the Ballantyne goal purely came down to individual errors, nothing to do with tactics or gameplan.

If you watch the replay, Houli was in the right position, i.e. he was between Ballantyne and the goals, the **** up was that a gaping hole was allowed to appear in front of goals...why? because everyone was on someone and Freo who IMO have rehearsed this type of shit, got the scenario handed to them on a platter..

 

[WATIGE]

If you watch the replay, Houli was in the right position, i.e. he was between Ballantyne and the goals, the **** up was that a gaping hole was allowed to appear in front of goals...why? because everyone was on someone and Freo who IMO have rehearsed this type of shit, got the scenario handed to them on a platter..

Can't agree it was handed on a platter Cogga. Just reviewed the replay and it was just pure luck that that ball landed in Balantynes hands. Yes he was in the right position to allow it to happen but he was also one of 5 fumbles/knock ons that occured. If he had taken possesion he would have been tackled by Houli who was in perfect position. The ball then falls into a pack of players running out from goal and bounces off a bunch of them before falling into turds hands as players crash Houli knocking him out of tackle position. Turd has one chance to kick the ball and takes it and it goes through well over head high - anyone standing on the goal line would have watched the ball sail over their head and it would have been argued why they weren't out trying to kill the ball. Want to blame anyone - then blame Maric for not getting the tap to our advantage, beyond that it was just the way the game falls occaisionally. Can someone tell me where to find the i50 stats for that last qtr - must be heavily in our favour - if so it says we actually did a fiar job of trying to close out the game - which was the feeling at the ground and hence such a bitter pill.

And that forward line was loaded - as _RT_ has been saying. The bench calls for players to flood occured well before the goal was scored - by the time it was scored they had. The only thing that I querry is why the goal front "hole" was there - but put a player there and then there would have been a docker free elsewhere near the pack which could have opened play up in a different direction.

As for the couple of biased lets stir up Richmond shit negative reviews of the play on media I have seen - what more could you expect - and review those reviews and you will see they could all be interpreted totally differently if you wanted to (and as some on here are falling for, intentionally siding with).

 

[WATIGE]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-30/tiger-tales

That thanks to Tigerman22 for spotting - see nothing thread.

Says a hell of a lot about how much we have improved - no actually - how good we are in those defensive stoppages. Shit stirring for no reason other than frustration from some of us.

 

[CoggaRules]

Can't agree it was handed on a platter Cogga. Just reviewed the replay and it was just pure luck that that ball landed in Balantynes hands. Yes he was in the right position to allow it to happen but he was also one of 5 fumbles/knock ons that occured. If he had taken possesion he would have been tackled by Houli who was in perfect position. The ball then falls into a pack of players running out from goal and bounces off a bunch of them before falling into turds hands as players crash Houli knocking him out of tackle position. Turd has one chance to kick the ball and takes it and it goes through well over head high - anyone standing on the goal line would have watched the ball sail over their head and it would have been argued why they weren't out trying to kill the ball. Want to blame anyone - then blame Maric for not getting the tap to our advantage, beyond that it was just the way the game falls occaisionally. Can someone tell me where to find the i50 stats for that last qtr - must be heavily in our favour - if so it says we actually did a fiar job of trying to close out the game - which was the feeling at the ground and hence such a bitter pill.

And that forward line was loaded - as _RT_ has been saying. The bench calls for players to flood occured well before the goal was scored - by the time it was scored they had. The only thing that I querry is why the goal front "hole" was there - but put a player there and then there would have been a docker free elsewhere near the pack which could have opened play up in a different direction.

As for the couple of biased lets stir up Richmond shit negative reviews of the play on media I have seen - what more could you expect - and review those reviews and you will see they could all be interpreted totally differently if you wanted to (and as some on here are falling for, intentionally siding with).

Ok, I have to pay all that...

 

[Rayzorwire]

I'll assume this is you admitting you were wrong to criticise Hardwick in this case.

As you well know, it's me pointing out that you are the epitome of the Black Knight - forever pretending you have at least one leg to stand on when it's clear that you've been reduced to none.

You keep referring to the 'tape', but you apparently don't hear or see anything on it.

1:47 - Richo: "Down on the bench they're trying to yell for numbers back." (as Freo kick into a wide open forwardline)

1:24 - Harley: "A couple of things to pick up on. There should have been Richmond players back in front of the goal and also at that stoppage there, Leigh, the goal mouth was just sooooo wide open and they're two basics on how to defend a lead when you've got it."

1:24 - Richo: "And guys, the opposite has happened now, ALL the Freo players have been calling everyone back after that goal."

I have argued that our set-up at the throw-in where Ballantyne scored was absolute rubbish - unforgiveable school boy errors. Tom Harley agrees. You're welcome to your opinion about how much more you know about an AFL defense than he does.

I have also argued that Freo showed us up when it came to being better drilled in where to be at what stage of a close game like this. Our bench was desperately trying to tell our players where to move, Freo's just move. As Richo says, we were the opposite of their well organised structural adjustments. The radio call I listened to when I watched the first time around agreed, even more strenuously. You're welcome to pretend you had a better view, or they're wrong, or they're lying, or that having however many players back EVENTUALLY is somehow relevant to what is actually being discussed.

It's far from just me making these observations, they were obvious to everyone but you and a handful of others who have vested an interest in finding endless excuses for their messiah. So please, Black Knight away, you can't and won't change factual reality, nor the fact that in the last two weeks, it's almost become a majority of posters who are now asking the same questions about Hardwick's lack of ability that I have been for the last three years.

 

[CoggaRules]

As you well know, it's me pointing out that you are the epitome of the Black Knight - forever pretending you have at least one leg to stand on when it's clear that you've been reduced to none.

You keep referring to the 'tape', but you apparently don't hear or see anything on it.

1:47 - Richo: "Down on the bench they're trying to yell for numbers back." (as Freo kick into a wide open forwardline)

1:24 - Harley: "A couple of things to pick up on. There should have been Richmond players back in front of the goal and also at that stoppage there, Leigh, the goal mouth was just sooooo wide open and they're two basics on how to defend a lead when you've got it."

1:24 - Richo: "And guys, the opposite has happened now, ALL the Freo players have been calling everyone back after that goal."

I have argued that our set-up at the throw-in where Ballantyne scored was absolute rubbish - unforgiveable school boy errors. Tom Harley agrees. You're welcome to your opinion about how much more you know about an AFL defense than he does.

I have also argued that Freo showed us up when it came to being better drilled in where to be at what stage of a close game like this. Our bench was desperately trying to tell our players where to move, Freo's just move. As Richo says, we were the opposite of their well organised structural adjustments. The radio call I listened to when I watched the first time around agreed, even more strenuously. You're welcome to pretend you had a better view, or they're wrong, or they're lying, or that having however many players back EVENTUALLY is somehow relevant to what is actually being discussed.

It's far from just me making these observations, they were obvious to everyone but you and a handful of others who have vested an interest in finding endless excuses for their messiah. So please, Black Knight away, you can't and won't change factual reality, nor the fact that in the last two weeks, it's almost become a majority of posters who are now asking the same questions about Hardwick's lack of ability that I have been for the last three years.

So what you are really trying to say Erayzorhead, that If TW had got the chance to be in a tight game over the 5 years of his nothingness, he would have brought home the result..I blame the board for getting rid of TW for the loss of this game..

 

[Rayzorwire]

You must be seriously bored, California.

 

[WATIGE]

Rayzorwire - I refer you to the link in post #188 - please tell me how we have achieved that while being so incompetetently coached and totally useless at stoppage football?

Also in that game time timeline you post you don't call on actual elapsed time. After Richo's call there were two complete stoppages so that 23 seconds is over 40s and the players were back - put up a pic of the forward 50 as the throw in occurs and tag the player numbers and show me that there were 12 players or less in the area which signifies no forwards had made it back - you wont be able to.

It's time you stopped pretending it is only a flesh wound.

 

[Del65166]

The bigger tick would have been to give it to Cotch who had some more time and space. Think he could have got to 50 and had a shot.

Good point....he may have space but not time.
and he is not the best kick for goal.

but at that stage any score obviously would have drawn it

 

[Madtiger2006]

yes mt every time I can. this year I have seen tigers play 4 games.

coming home to see them play 3.

I want success just like you.

Can you get live games on the net?

 

[_RT_]

As you well know, it's me pointing out that you are the epitome of the Black Knight - forever pretending you have at least one leg to stand on when it's clear that you've been reduced to none.

You keep referring to the 'tape', but you apparently don't hear or see anything on it.

1:47 - Richo: "Down on the bench they're trying to yell for numbers back." (as Freo kick into a wide open forwardline)

1:24 - Harley: "A couple of things to pick up on. There should have been Richmond players back in front of the goal and also at that stoppage there, Leigh, the goal mouth was just sooooo wide open and they're two basics on how to defend a lead when you've got it."

1:24 - Richo: "And guys, the opposite has happened now, ALL the Freo players have been calling everyone back after that goal."

1.47 you do realise that when a boundary rider wants to comment it is usually 10 seconds after what they want to comment on has actually happened.

1.24 we had 10 players within 10m of the stoppage either standing goal side or corridor side while next to their opponents, surely that is where we should be standing at that point in time rather than guarding space as yourself and Harley suggest. If that's wrong then everything I learnt and did over a 20 year career is wrong. Instead of manning up my opponent I should have be guarding grass.

1.24 So all the Freo players were calling their teammates back and yet when Houli delivered his kick into the F50 in the final 10 seconds there were only 2 Dockers there with 5 others running back into the D50. So much for them being so much better drilled than us when it comes to knowing what to do.

I have argued that our set-up at the throw-in where Ballantyne scored was absolute rubbish - unforgiveable school boy errors. Tom Harley agrees. You're welcome to your opinion about how much more you know about an AFL defense than he does.

Again I ask where should our players have been standing shoulder to shoulder with their opponents or guarding grass and allowing their opponents to have free run at the ball.

I have also argued that Freo showed us up when it came to being better drilled in where to be at what stage of a close game like this. Our bench was desperately trying to tell our players where to move, Freo's just move. As Richo says, we were the opposite of their well organised structural adjustments. The radio call I listened to when I watched the first time around agreed, even more strenuously. You're welcome to pretend you had a better view, or they're wrong, or they're lying, or that having however many players back EVENTUALLY is somehow relevant to what is actually being discussed.

Once again Ray, Freo weren't better drilled than us as the last entry into our F50 shows, they didn't have numbers back, they had numbers trying to get back as the ball flew over their heads. Who knows with another 10 seconds on the clock and Vickery & McGuane running onto the ball we may just have been able to make them pay dearly for not having flooded back. I guess it's fortunate for you and a few other hysterical posters who overreacted to this that we didn't otherwise none of this would be discussed.

It's far from just me making these observations, they were obvious to everyone but you and a handful of others who have vested an interest in finding endless excuses for their messiah. So please, Black Knight away, you can't and won't change factual reality, nor the fact that in the last two weeks, it's almost become a majority of posters who are now asking the same questions about Hardwick's lack of ability that I have been for the last three years.

Actually it is pretty much just you and 1-2 others that are seeing things that aren't there and things that are there are blown out of proportion and then somehow become the coaches fault.

 

[Bird Man]

were the small prick kicked that goal was there two freo ruckmen in the contest with maric ?

 

[CoggaRules]

At the end of the day its pretty safe to say that Dimma is totally at fault. He should have used his telepathic powers to divert the ball over for a behind instead of sitting there doing nothing and watching it hit the ****ing behind post and having the throw in that lead to the Ballantyne goal.
Has he owned up to that complete **** up? He really needs a mentor to assist him in getting the ball to bounce to the left with a blink of an eye in tight games.

 

[Bojangles17]

heat needs to be finally turned up on him.
he is lyons bitch every time.
basic Dimma: you stack the backline and you put players on the defensive side of throw ins.

I am sick of losing games we could win. nothing has changed.
it is time to seriously look at his coaching.

lose a game by a point, wait for it OUTCOACHED, c'mon mate you're better than that, i wont deny that he is beyond question but id be looking at the output of two of our top 2 players first before passing blame on the coach, thats just so lame it aint funny

 

[CoggaRules]

ok i have just watched the replay of the goal...i will single out one leader of our leadership group that has escaped criticism..he had it pinged and second guessed instead of attacking the pill when it was needed big time...guess who? Second guessed should give it away..