Hot Topic Harley Reid v Draft - Win-win?

[Bunk Moreland]

I think he's shown glimpses of what he'll be. WCE are a shit show right now, he looks about as interested as JHF at North. He also had a limited preaseason didn't he?

I don't think we've got a single player on our list that has shown the glimpses of becoming what (IMO) Reid will be at 25.

Glimpses are fine. But we’re not talking about a price you can take a chance on here. People are talking about the biggest $ price and trade price in league history. Reid has not shown anything to justify that yet. It’s speculation and potential and that’s an incredible price to pay for potential.

Is he in the top 20-30 mids in the league at the moment? I don’t think so. Yet you’d be paying more than you would for #1

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Glimpses are fine. But we’re not talking about a price you can take a chance on here. People are talking about the biggest $ price and trade price in league history. Reid has not shown anything to justify that yet. It’s speculation and potential and that’s an incredible price to pay for potential.

Is he in the top 20-30 mids in the league at the moment? I don’t think so. Yet you’d be paying more than you would for #1

I should be able to like this twice.

Reid is getting talked about like he's peak 2007 Chris Judd, who already had a premiership, Brownlow and multiple AA's.

3 x TOP end firsts is ludicrous for a kid who has done absolutely nothing. Thats before you even bring up a $2m salary, which is essentially the remaining cap space.

If we are going to do a rebuild properly, why are we going all in on a kid who's proven nothing except he has a massive attitude problem, and shit work ethic?

2 x Firsts is the absolute limit for mine, anything more and we walk away as quick as we can and trust Rosa to draft.

 

[Donflicted]

I should be able to like this twice.

Reid is getting talked about like he's peak 2007 Chris Judd, who already had a premiership, Brownlow and multiple AA's.

3 x TOP end firsts is ludicrous for a kid who has done absolutely nothing. Thats before you even bring up a $2m salary, which is essentially the remaining cap space.

If we are going to do a rebuild properly, why are we going all in on a kid who's proven nothing except he has a massive attitude problem, and shit work ethic?

2 x Firsts is the absolute limit for mine, anything more and we walk away as quick as we can and trust Rosa to draft.

Depends on the two firsts if it was two in the top ten wouldn't be doing it if it was 2x later firsts you could see the justification

 

[NAB777]

Given our top end drafting ability, this is a no brainer.

 

[ant555]

Given our top end drafting ability, this is a no brainer.

Yep. Caddy and Kako look great.

 

[div12ressie]

please make it happen essendon, sick of watching cox, menzie etc etc

 

[Chizm]

Even though it is really easy to talk myself into going the Reid route, I lean towards hitting the draft. My main focus being that I just want a bigger spread of talent.

I know it is early, but I just really like what we did in the draft last season with Rosa's first crack at it. I think he knows how the modern game is played and I would like to see him with the opportunity to nail a couple of early picks.

 

[Milanista28]

Yep. Caddy and Kako look great.

Kako doesn't count, was a gift. Also there were drafts before Caddy, maybe that's why this poster said what he said?

 

[Just A Tragic]

I think one thing we can say - we are in a healthy draft/trade position. We will see if this current team are worth their chops in the next few years.

If the price is right, get Reid.
If the deal and contract absurd - hit the draft.

Should be a win-win situation.

 

[ant555]

Kako doesn't count, was a gift. Also there were drafts before Caddy, maybe that's why this poster said what he said?

Could have let Kako slide and not traded and picked someone else. In the end he was not a gift as he went after our pick. We could have just straight up picked him if the rules didn’t change.
Anything in the past is irrelevant.
The argument has merit either way.

And it was sort of a tongue in cheek comment.

 

[Agronomus]

So which one of y'all are Reid's manager? Nothing about him screams generational talent. He's had 27 possessions this season and even Stringer looked in better shape in his second season.
Leave your name and number and we'll get back to you

 

[ghostdog]

* There's a Machiavellian shift happening here. We've spoken to him and been honest; we want him, but if the price is too high we can't do it.
Harley knows this and wants to come to us, so he's doing his best at his end to lower his value. As a player, he's brilliant.

* This may not be true.

 

[Lore]

So which one of y'all are Reid's manager? Nothing about him screams generational talent. He's had 27 possessions this season and even Stringer looked in better shape in his second season.
Leave your name and number and we'll get back to you

He screams JHF 2.0. Definitely a top player. Definitely doesn’t wanna be doing what he’s doing where he’s doing it and his behaviour on field shows it.

Generational talent? Meh.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Nothing about him screams generational talent.

You're forgetting that it's just 2 games in after a good first year. You're also forgetting to factor in possible demotivation in that the new club shine may have worn off and he's just sick of playing for a shit club in a shit city away from everyone he knows.

He's had 27 possessions this season

He had more disposals than Judd in his first year despite playing 2 less games and in Judd's second year he accumilated just 37 touches across a 3 game stretch. So not sure using disposals in their early years is a definitive measure of how they'll go down the line. Not saying he'll definitely turn out to be AA just saying your approach is a bit flawed and maybe blinded by not looking at all factors.

 

[Beerfish]

Have we sent him a program yet?

 

[Hazardinho]

If we finish above west coast and north Melbourne, there’s the possibility ldu and Allen leave via free agency, which would be a disaster for us if we finish bottom 4, which would then push our first pick to 6, and there’s already a lot of top end talent tied to academies.

I’m a bit more inclined to go for Harley Reid in this case, but I’ve always been more worried about the salary Reid would command. 2 million a year is way too much money to offer one player, even if you front end this deal, it’s still stupid money to be offering someone.
If we can get him for 1.5 million max and then we front end his deal for the first 3 years, he won’t be an issue long term with the picks and salary we’d give up.

If we finish bottom 2, and Sam Draper left, I would give up a top 3 pick and maybe melbournes pick along with the second round picks as we’d still have access to high end talent in the draft.

 

[Duckworth]

One player won't change anything. Look at Merrett.

4 more top end picks can.

You mean look at the one guy that can carry the team to a win. You have actually formed a stong argument FOR selecting Reid.

 

[Duckworth]

* There's a Machiavellian shift happening here. We've spoken to him and been honest; we want him, but if the price is too high we can't do it.
Harley knows this and wants to come to us, so he's doing his best at his end to lower his value. As a player, he's brilliant.

* This may not be true.

Young Ghostdog, have you considered a career in Australian Journalism?

 

[ghostdog]

Young Ghostdog, have you considered a career in Australian Journalism?

Believe it or not, I did a journalism degree then decided to teach instead.

 

[Agronomus]

You're forgetting that it's just 2 games in after a good first year. You're also forgetting to factor in possible demotivation in that the new club shine may have worn off and he's just sick of playing for a shit club in a shit city away from everyone he knows.



He had more disposals than Judd in his first year despite playing 2 less games and in Judd's second year he accumilated just 37 touches across a 3 game stretch. So not sure using disposals in their early years is a definitive measure of how they'll go down the line. Not saying he'll definitely turn out to be AA just saying your approach is a bit flawed and maybe blinded by not looking at all factors.

I'm keen on him as well but would rather pick 1 this year for either Dylan Sharpe or The Duffman. Or both?

 

[Call Me Cake]

I'm keen on him as well but would rather pick 1 this year for either Dylan Sharpe or The Duffman. Or both?

It depends how he goes for the rest of the year but I wouldn't be in favour of handing over a ransom to get him. IMO Tassie coming in compromising drafts from 2027 means the Eagles will be in a rush to get picks in a draft before then if they see him as an eventual goner so the ball could be in our court to low ball them if we have the best picks to deal with.

I think the Eagles would rather get less picks in an okay draft earlier than lower picks in a terrible draft later.

 

[Foxx]

You mean look at the one guy that can carry the team to a win. You have actually formed a stong argument FOR selecting Reid.

What? We've lost more than we've won, even with Merrett.
He had 36 disposals and 4 goals against Adelaide, and we got rolled by 10 goals.

One player - as good as they are don't make a side. There is lots of examples of this.

 

[Call Me Cake]

What? We've lost more than we've won, even with Merrett.
He had 36 disposals and 4 goals against Adelaide, and we got rolled by 10 goals.

One player - as good as they are don't make a side. There is lots of examples of this.

Most sides have multiple stars. We don't. They also have serviceable teams while having said stars. Using Merrett's time at a mostly shit club with no stability is a poor sample size to pull from. The logic you use to back your analogies are flawed.

 

[Foxx]

Most sides have multiple stars. We don't. They also have serviceable teams while having said stars. Using Merrett's time at a mostly shit club with no stability is a poor sample size to pull from. The logic you use to back your analogies are flawed.

You've basically just backed my point - multiple stars. Hence my point of using our multiple top end picks in the draft. Not on one player.

 

[windyhill]

Rowells the one.