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lil bit faster then 35.9 lead time, try 34.3, thats right 34.3!! Unbelievable lead time, FASTES EVER! (Just Jasper i'm talking about) and still finished off in 28.2. Hes a dead set freak when hes on! Came out next start, trapped back in the field, had to shove out 4 and 5 wide and beaten a head to Glencadm who got the 1-1 trail off the second row doing no work and you think he was toying with him? Give me a break! If Just Jasper got the same run Glencadm got the last 2 weeks, he would have won by 15 plus metres
both races.

4 runs back, was the fourth horse 3 wide at the bell with Washakie leading that line. Washakie won, while Just Jasper had to make his run 6 wide beaten 3 metres into second in a 57.9 last half. I think Washakies a fantastic animal as well, better then Just Jasper but not much by much!

Can't agree on your assesment of Ebony Gem in NZ. Ever consider the horse has improved since then? Ebony Gem ran the FASTEST chariots for years beating some exceptional horses yet the NZ horses are far better? lol come on... :)

Times don't always stack up, true. As you point out, horses do train on and off, i see it happen every week. Be Good Johnny and I Am Sam are perfect examples who can both go very average or as the top 5 horses in the country. Of course driver error plays a big part to.

On the flip side i got a few examples of times finding huge priced winners in QLD

Quote a squaregater, with rotten form led a stand, went far, far to quickly in front, to his credit he was still there on the corner fighting it out before capitulating in the last 200m. Comes out and pays 35 bucks next time he drew the front.

Jack and Simon led going to fast, 1.58 over the 2100 beaten 10m... next start leads throughout in paying 20 bucks

High Chapparel for W.A, went to fast saturday week ago, as you know led throughout next start paying 2 bucks (no value)

Plenty of sit sprinters i can go through doing the same thing, running blinding last halves finishing midfieldish dropping in class and winning paying double figures.

Do they all win? Of course not but many do and many pay enourmous.

I'll put it this way. You can say back 10 winners in a row, lets be generous and say each one paid exactly 3.00. Thats a 20 unit win.... Compare that to finding one winner paying 30 and already your miles ahead of the other guy.

Only way to find these is through times. I'm no pro, everyone knows that but times do find standouts.

I always think back to the emirates (big mile race on the last day of the flemington carnival) ... Tears I Cry, ran a blinding split mid race, dashed clear before puncturing late beaten into third or further back, cant remember exactly... Anyway next start in the Emirates, starts 150-1 and Bartholomew put a grand on him and up he got, dashing past them all with a quieter ride.

Enough said!
 
Can you answer me this then, what is the benefit of having Standing starts? cos when i see them half the time there are false starts and problems that occur. What do SS's achieve?
 
Oh and a horse your familiar with, Calcutta Money, led and got nutted late in a 1.58 (to fast again) over the 2100 at GP going down to Aliveandwell. Next start pays 3.50 at Northam leading all the way from the outside gate beating Conrod Black. :)

Stand Starts handicap the better horses. If you pay attention to them over the long run, you'll find, expecially in W.A the backmarkers haven't got a chance in hell of winning as the leaders generally go 30 every quarter thus allowing inferior horses to beat much better credentialed ones.
 
Oh rite, i dont pay too much attention to times and splits, which i probly should do. I just find in harness its too hard to predict whose going to win unless you are under $2.50, or got A Lewis or G Hall on your back.

A horse i dont mind that ive backed in Vic a couple times lately, Karamboo - nothing special i dont think he is, but seems to tough it out and come home for the win last 2 times.
 

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I have noticed on the tote, the punters always have Chris Lewis runners shorter then there true ability. I think everyone gets on him regardless and just hopes for the best, lol. Best driver in OZ imo. You should follow times, i'll give you a heads up on a horse by the name of Jeremiah Shannon. Absolutely flown in front running some ripping times getting beat recently. Hes a QLD pacer, he's so close to a win, it's scarey, should pay nice as well.
 
Personally I cant take WA harness seriously for one reason

Tealsby Karita:couldnt win an M0 here then goes to WA & within 5 runs it wins a WA Pacing Cup,outstaying Flashing Red in 1.57.1 over 2536m
Can anyone explain this one?

I agree theyre not machines but seriously....theres a limit to how much a horse can improve.
Has now dropped off the face of the earth?

seth
 
Danger Mouse said:
I have noticed on the tote, the punters always have Chris Lewis runners shorter then there true ability. I think everyone gets on him regardless and just hopes for the best, lol. Best driver in OZ imo. You should follow times, i'll give you a heads up on a horse by the name of Jeremiah Shannon. Absolutely flown in front running some ripping times getting beat recently. Hes a QLD pacer, he's so close to a win, it's scarey, should pay nice as well.
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know when he is racing next? or where does u usually race? Albion? redcliffe? goldcoast?
 
sethlad said:
Personally I cant take WA harness seriously for one reason

Tealsby Karita:couldnt win an M0 here then goes to WA & within 5 runs it wins a WA Pacing Cup,outstaying Flashing Red in 1.57.1 over 2536m
Can anyone explain this one?

I agree theyre not machines but seriously....theres a limit to how much a horse can improve.
Has now dropped off the face of the earth?

seth
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Thats a good point. I was on him then on fixed odds and paid 3.20 for the pacing cup, and never heard from him since. Theres alot of that goes on. I always question the harness racing industry, and have converstations with friends whose elders are involved and they said that the Bikies in perth have a huge influence on WA harness, whether or not this is true I dont know. But i spose racing is always gonna have that speculation around its name.
 
Easy answer Seth. Gary Hall trains horses into the ground. How many horses has he had which have gone from nothing to winning big races then back to being aweful and staying that way. If i'm wrong, do explain but thats how i see it!

Your explanation of KP was enlightening as well as was yours Brooklyn. I get the distinct feeling, any agressive driving on that bloke will see him go into a break. Wouldn't have got that without you boys, learn lots here. :)
 
Sp far i only found one almost certain winner. What price you will get is another story. Might start long odds on....

Albion Park

Race 3 - Depend on Davey - Put your house on it, sell everything, even your family, lol... Ran in that race last start and BEAT All our Lad and Jeremiah Shannon, doing lots of work early, taking a trail then rushing over the top of them in a 1.56.8 mile rate, 58.5, 28.6. They spaces the rest of the field. All Our Lad came out on sat night and kicked Stage Coach Kids head in, a very good horse, walking in front, dashing home in 27.3.

This race is milllllllllllllllllllllles easier then his previous start. If i were a bookie, i'd have him 1/50 but the punters may see it differently! :)
 

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In fact, you can currently get 1.50 on betfair about Depend on Davey, i suggest you take it while you can. :)

Oh and i don't follow the vics, ask Brooklyn or Seth. I dont want to look at any Victorian fields unless its a big race or Decorated Jasper is in it!
 
haha so whats the general feel about each states harness setups overall in terms of betting, competition, good horses/trianers and where are the best horses normally racing most of the time . . (im only new to the game, been following for about 2 years now)
 
Tealsby Karita- there has been a fair bit of talk for a long time about the horse not actually broken down at all. Also around the time was the Clint Hall EPO saga so that also has been thrown about. But the times are very questionable, almost beyond what anything could run.

Dangermouse- i will have to concede on this one and give a bit more credit to Just Jasper, have watched his last few runs. Still think something classy like Washakie, Power of Tara etc.. would clean him up but yeah nice type and will win more.

Ill still stand by it that Glencadam toyed with him that night, I was on course and always watch glen pretty carefully. He is not all that genuine and you could just see the way he moved his ears and speaking to ryan that he thinks its a bit of a game still. I think Glencadam is a better horse. All Our Lad is actually his brother.

And im still disagreeing with your assessment of Ebony Gem. Simply I dont think our 4 year olds are as good as those in nz. And Changeover is that much better than Ebony Gem. I know its hard to believe that EG has beaten the best of our four year olds and they still have two that are better.
I also think if the roles were reversed in the Chariots and LPW or MM led up and ran the same times as Ebony, they too would have won.

It would be great to see the best of the NZers come over like Gotta Go, Changeover, Monkey King and best of all of them, Auckland Reactor.
 
Danger Mouse said:
Sp far i only found one almost certain winner. What price you will get is another story. Might start long odds on....

Albion Park

Race 3 - Depend on Davey - Put your house on it, sell everything, even your family, lol... Ran in that race last start and BEAT All our Lad and Jeremiah Shannon, doing lots of work early, taking a trail then rushing over the top of them in a 1.56.8 mile rate, 58.5, 28.6. They spaces the rest of the field. All Our Lad came out on sat night and kicked Stage Coach Kids head in, a very good horse, walking in front, dashing home in 27.3.

This race is milllllllllllllllllllllles easier then his previous start. If i were a bookie, i'd have him 1/50 but the punters may see it differently! :)
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Second, how embarassing, led the 3 wide line up, carted the second favourite into the race, that was that! This is the exact reason i'm not betting on horses yet! lol :eek:

Albion Park - Rest of meeting, maybe i can make a comeback! Maybe being the key word, need to buy the house and family back! :)

Race 3 - Bull Tossa - to fast in front last start, just missed-
Race 7 - Courageous Cam - Was holding his ground well in a 27.7 final split out wide last start. It's a stand start though.....

2 chances for redemption!
 

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Jimmy_is_a_King said:
Muniganeen Moon! What a run!

Bull tossa just didnt kick on. Led the whole race too!
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yep! You know what though, thats it with these ****ters who can only run a 28.6 split at the fastest. Can't reel off say at least a 28.2 split minimum, then i'm not interested!

Makes me sick to see these horses paddle up the straight flat out! Sick i tell you! (goes and pukes) :)

Hey well done if you backed MM, nice!
 
Okay test again, now if times count for anything we shall see

Albion Park Race 7 in full,

1. Village Jim - Resuming from a spell - This is actually a very good sit sprinter, i remember his old Tassie form. Hasn't shown anything since then and is first up for a no name trainer. NO
2. House Master - Beaten 16m in a 29.1 final split hugging the rails. NO
3. Full Bore - Sat 3 back the pegs, followed the winner, couldnt hold his back in a 30.0 final split. NO
5. Natty Nitro - Got a good run through when well beaten 11m behind the winner in a 28.6 closing sectional. Only chance if leads or behind the leader
6. Krater Rock - First horse 3 wide at the bell beaten 25m in a 57.3, 28.6. Before that hugged the rails and lost ground up the straight in a 28.6 closing sectional. NO but i will admit, if he led and only led, hes a rough chance cos i know he only wins when he leads.
7. Karloo Titan - Resuming from a long spell. Has a huge sprint. Very capable of breaking 28.0 but again first up so meh.
8. Couragaeous Cam - Held his spot in a 56.9 half, 27.9 beaten 4m, the same race Jaylock Vinny was in who won on sat night reeling off a 27.7 split winning. Then as pointed out above, beaten 8m in a 27.7 if anything making slight ground. Pulled ground off Jack and Simon and The Market Minor but couldnt make ground on Jaylock Vinny or Torbello.
10. Celebrity Torque - Flogged with a trail, final split 28.6. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL from the handicap!
Bulletproof - This horse can run a 1.54.5 mile rate working so you can never discount him. Sat in the death last start (wasnt in the early speed battle) in a fast mile rate, dropping out late beaten 9m 28.6. Rough chance. Very rough chance, would probably need to circle and lead/death, certainly won't sit sprint over the top.
 
HAHA TAKE THAT RACING GODS!!! Only 4 horses i didn't say no to!

8 - COURAGEOUS CAM 2.60 1.50
5 - NATTY NITRO 2.30
7 - KARLOO TITAN 2.60
11 - BULLETPROOF 0.00

Exa 8 - 5 28.70
Tri 8 - 5 - 7 81.20
Ffr 8 - 5 - 7 - 11 461.40
 
In fact! That winner Courageous Cam looking at his form hadn't run a place in his last 13 starts and was off a 10m handicap against some pretty decent types and started 2.60 favourite. Times are everything!
 
Maxistar in the last, lead all the way, if the NSW raider Harry Cruise has got any ability all, prolly win, in a good stable.... i wouldn't bet on either though... just 4 fun :)
 
Holy shit i went to bed at like 11 and woke up and uve had a whole argument that took about 10 mins for me to read. i agree with seth that i cannot take WA racing seriously at least not yet...maybe james matthew can prove me wrong, the thing with scruffy murphy was that he was a dead set one dimensional sit sprinter who went over there and sat in the death at every start and beat your "winter fields" not good enough for me unless you pull out another falcon strike in the years to come. im not comparing "lance franklin to my local full forward" although i did kick 65 goals this year, i just had to put that in...but what im sayin is that your best horses are so far off our best horses its not even comparable....

lets finish that argument and talk about depend on daveys run...that was the worst 1.20 run ive seen for a long time and the other odds on one blown budget was beaten easily by a hack EX-VICTORIAN count charmez by a long way. a horse who won 6 of 92 goes over there and beats ur sat night trotters fairly easily.

It just shows u how much victorian racing has on every other state,,,eg Cincinnati kid sitting outside make me smile and running him to a short head....but i cant explain the performance of ex vic horse depend on davey lol what a hack...... jasper ill be fine if u just keep tippin them winners u seem to no ur shit for racing over there

im sick so lets just finish this argument its giving me a headache
 

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