Speculation Harry McKay

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Completely agree...if he's in contract or you have a pick before them in the PSD.

Unfortunately for Carlton, he's not worth pick 1 in the national draft. Maybe if they are overly generous, they can swap their 2nd (19) with Richmond for their pick 18 and then you'll have the moral victory.
North likely go to the draft with the following in hand...

Pick 1
Pick 21 (End of 1st Rd PP)
Pick 22

There are a million ways they could compensate Carlton before Pick 1 comes into discussion.
 

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Malifice

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North’s second rounder will be close to pick 20. They may offer something else late in the draft to get the trade over the line.

But there should be no expectation that they should give a first rounder for him as they could walk him for free.

Of all fans, you should know the leverage the PSD card has.
Thats not how it works.
 

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Out of interest who was the latest A-grader to request a trade to the wooden spooners? Judd?

North can offer a truckload of money, but they've struggled to attract players even when they were a mid-ranged team. Going to be a big struggle enticing Harry when he's already going to be earning a decent pay packet at Carlton, and has gone on record saying he doesn't want to play in the same team as Ben.

Throw in the possibility of the Kangaroos being sent to Tasmania and it becomes a pretty unworkable situation.

Reckon he'd be far more likely to sign with Gold Coast on a massive deal than head to North Melbourne.
 

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Thats not how it works.
Hmm... Carlton made an offer to GC for Martin which GC didn’t believe was market value. They chose not to take it and Martin walked into the PSD.

The truth is the threat of the PSD weakens one sides negotiating power.

I wouldn’t worry though. There’s been no talk of Harry going to North. But if they are into an out of contract player, there’s no way they will be paying market value for them this year.
 

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Hmm... Carlton made an offer to GC for Martin which GC didn’t believe was market value. They chose not to take it and Martin walked into the PSD.

The truth is the threat of the PSD weakens one sides negotiating power.

I wouldn’t worry though. There’s been no talk of Harry going to North. But if they are into an out of contract player, there’s no way they will be paying market value for them this year.
A 2nd and 3rd was fair for Martin given his form during the year - was dropped to the NEAFL, looked despondent and IIRC it was more like a first round downgrade than a straight pick swap. Gold Coast delisted Jarryd Lyons the year before, and traded Pick 11 for Pick 27 in 2019 - their player and pick valuations are all over the shop.

McKay in contrast is currently the best key forward in the league, and offering up a paltry second wont work in this scenario. The deal would need to be mediated, but realistically I could see North downgrading a few picks or compromising on a future first and change.
 

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I’ll also argue that Dal Santo, Waite and Higgins are all far bigger names than Saad, Williams and McGovern.

Put it this way, Nick Dal Santo has played more games than all of Carlton’s “big names” put together.
Maybe in his prime he would’ve been a bigger name.

I expect Williams, Saad and McGovern to play more games for Carlton than Dal did for North. None of them have even had the chance. Disingenuous.
 

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Hmm... Carlton made an offer to GC for Martin which GC didn’t believe was market value.
Yeah - a second AND a third round pick. For a player we valued at 650k PA, and who hadnt shown that much in the 6 years prior.

He wasn't worth a 1st. PSD or No. Would you (or the Tigers) pay a 1st round pick for Martin (considering you valued Yarran pick 19)?

It's not like we offered a used condom and walked him to the PSD as you're suggesting. We made a fair deal, which was knocked back.

Talk of North offering him 1.2 or 1.3 million and then saying 'second round pick or nothing' are utter fantasy land stuff, with no precedent at all. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. The AFL would intervene, and it would wind up in arbitration.
 

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Yeah - a second AND a third round pick. For a player we valued at 650k PA, and who hadnt shown that much in the 6 years prior.
I have no skin in the game, but I know it’s human for supporters to undervalue opposition players and overvalue their own. Particularly on this board.

What you or I valued Martin at is a moot point.

The most important aspect in the situation was that Gold Coast valued him higher than a second and third rounder.

And Carlton could pick him up in the PSD if they tweaked his contract terms to make it unappealing for other clubs.

North could do a similar thing. This talk of arbitration is absolute rubbish.

And as for valuing Harry, I reckon he’s worth a top 5 pick as an out of contract player. And the Blues would get it. From any club that can’t use the PSD to strike a better deal.
 

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All moot, there’s no way on earth McKay is going to North. As has been shown time and time again, players with other options don’t go there. Playing in Hobart or in twilight games at Marvel in front of 20k people every week isn’t attractive. The only thing they’ve got to offer is success and they’re years off being able to offer that.

Cold hard facts.
 

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The most important aspect in the situation was that Gold Coast valued him higher than a second and third rounder.
Gold Coast can value him however they want. A second and third was more than fair for a player of his ability, who was uncontracted.

McKay is worth a lot more than a future 1st, but being uncontracted and the PSD in play, that's what he's worth.
 

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Heard it from the same guy who told me Suns were getting Ellis, the suns have tabled a monster offer to Mckay with potential captaincy in the range of $7-7.5 Million over 6 years. AFL is also extremely keen for it to go ahead in the hope that the rest of the suns players get around the team.

Would be massive if it happens, but think he stays at the blues.
if that happens a player like luko or a rowell would have to be involved.
 

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North’s second rounder will be close to pick 20. They may offer something else late in the draft to get the trade over the line.

But there should be no expectation that they should give a first rounder for him as they could walk him for free.

Of all fans, you should know the leverage the PSD card has.
you still dont get it lmao
 

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People need to stop with equating salary amount to trade value. There is absolutely no correlation to say spending $1M on someone means you need to give up more in a trade than someone you pay $700K. Different clubs are in different positions and just because say North have a sh*t ton of salary space to dangle doesn't mean they have to give up more because of it
 

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Hilarious that Carlton supporters are downplaying the value of the PSD card.

They’ve been telling us for years on this forum how valuable it is when they have held it.
Like that time we held pick 1 in the PSD, and still gave the Eagles Pick 3, Kennedy and Pick 20 for Chris Judd?

When have we (or any other club) ever 'walked a player to the PSD' without tabling a reasonable offer?

Or are you referring to some fantasy land where clubs walk players to the PSD for nothing, and dont make reasonable trade offers based on the players worth?
 

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No there is nothing that suggests x amount of dollars = y in terms of trade. Of course good players are going to be more valuable than sh*t ones on both of them. That's not the point though
If a club is offering 1.3 million P/A to a player, which of the following is most likely true:

a) The player is extremely good, and has a high trade value
b) The player is sh*t, and the club are ******* idiots offering a Dusty contract to a list clogging spud.

Have a think, and then you might see why there is a clear correlation between contract value, and player ability (and thus also trade value).
 

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If a club is offering 1.3 million P/A to a player, which of the following is most likely true:

a) The player is extremely good, and has a high trade value
b) The player is sh*t, and the club are ******* idiots offering a Dusty contract to a list clogging spud.

Have a think, and then you might see why there is a clear correlation between contract value, and player ability (and thus also trade value).
Or C) A club have cap space to offer above market value to a player to want them to come but are not required to dish up any extra in a trade simply because they have money to burn.

The counter side of this type of nonsense is if Carlton are only prepared to stump up 700k for him then they can only expect 700k player type trade value.

The amount he eventually gets paid means two fifths of fu** all when it comes to trade value
 

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