Harry Taylor

[Mattrox]

This won't end well. Confirms that Talia is well underrated though.

It takes interstate fans several seasons to truly recognise our players. There is a sceptecism and suprise that an SA club could develop a player. I don't know why, its not like we are a new team...... or have never developed gun players before.

Perhaps there is an underlying thought that good players leave SA for good to play at "better teams".... Kernahan, Bradley, Mackay. ...or to return home later in their careers .... Jarman, Wangerneen.

There must be some underlying perception or bias as it takes a while for many fans to see that a good player is actually a gun.

Some must see games that we play and put down outstanding performances by players as flukes....or simply above average games.

Sloane is still underrated by many opposition fans.... some are starting to recognise how good he is...

Talia is way, way underrated. Comments on his Rising Star were bitter from fans. They couldn't accept he shut down so many gun forwards and quoted his one game v Freo where Pav scored several goals as conclusive proof that he wasn't rising star material.

The suprise when we keep replacing the players we lost...... Davis, Bock in the backlines..... now Tippett and Walker up forward is also indicitive of this. This should also serve to remind us how well the club is developing players that we bring in. (Of course some don't make it)

I don't think we have the trade currency for HT either. He'd really want to come to the Crows. But as HT has said the pull of WA is strong. We should canvass the option strongy and see if the strong pull can be swayed. But I feel we will do better in FA splashing cash, no need to give up anything except cap space. We'll need to find trades for players that want out of their current teams, underrated players with some development to go, but on the verge of breaking out.

We might be better off trading fringe player + pick to get into the 2nd round of the draft.... Could be trade that 2nd round plus a better player for a 1st round?

 

[Go the Guts]

So having said that, I think that Harry Taylor plus our second round pick for Daniel Talia and Rory Sloane is a fair trade.

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
Never ceases to amaze me the stupidity of so many BF goons!
So um......we take 2 of your top 4 players at the club - last years Rising Star winner, plus one of the brightest young midfielders in the entire competition, both of whom you'll get 10+ years out of easily, and we'll give you a bloke you'll get 2 good years max out of before he retires, and a draft pick which will get you someone average, who won't even play in the next 3 years, 5 years till they'd be any good.
How's that sound! Hey?!!!!
****off.

 

[macca23]

I think that Harry Taylor plus our second round pick for Daniel Talia and Rory Sloane is a fair trade.

Ballsy ....................................................... but plain fkg stupid!!

 

[SnookAU]

Sloane and Talia, in the top 5 untouchables alongside walker, dangerfield and sauce.

They are the fabric of our team for the next 3-8 years and will likely win us premierships, these are core players whom you add support players around.

 

[SnookAU]

PS. Talia is fast becomming the best CHB in the comp, has been stitching up every power forward now for 1.5 years. He is actually brilliant, rarely loses and reads the situations so well. The stats don't lie. Rutten/Talia combo is going great guns.

 

[cmndstab]

Strangled Cat - I'll give you an opportunity to post a somewhat more sensible trade suggestion. If the standard of suggestion doesn't improve, though, this thread won't be going any further. It's very unlikely that Taylor plus a second round pick (likely to be out in the 30s) would be enough to get either of Sloane or Talia by themselves, let alone both of them. I'd be furious if either occurred. Taylor is a class player and we could definitely use him, but let's be realistic here. If the Crows even contemplated such a trade there would be a riot at West Lakes.

One thing to keep in mind - although you may rate a player higher than his "natural" worth because of his importance to your structure, this doesn't mean a thing in terms of trade value. The same is true in reverse, when an otherwise good player simply doesn't fit into your structure or can't get past other players (Maric comes to mind for us) but is still worth something to another team.

 

[hippyhippy]

When players want to leave. . The team usually loses.. so I doubt geelong will be even be getting like for like. Probably a late 1st rounder.

 

[iamcorky]

Harry is a good player but not worth the 1st and 2nd trade. Would be good if there was another way to get him.

 

[Glenno23]

If we traded away Talia or Sloane I would shred my guernsey and renounce the Crows. I would also take a huge shit on the doorstep of Trigg for getting us into this mess. If it weren't for him and his incompetent management of our club we would have more bargaining power, draft picks and wouldn't have to even contemplate such rubbish offers.

Who says we have to contemplate the offer? **** off sounds like a good response to such an offer

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Why would Taylor go to Adelaide? Isn't the issue at Geelong that his missus is looking after a couple of young kids away from the support of her (and his) WA based family?

 

[Elite Crow]

Why is this thread still open? We've got an opposition supporter starting a thread proposing a ridiculous trade. He then doesn't post in it again and we've got Adelaide posters mocking the suggestion. I personally think this thread must be a school project, start a crap thread and count how many reactions he can get.

cmndstab Allefgib we've got a trading thread haven't we?

 

[Strangled Cat]

Strangled Cat - I'll give you an opportunity to post a somewhat more sensible trade suggestion. If the standard of suggestion doesn't improve, though, this thread won't be going any further. It's very unlikely that Taylor plus a second round pick (likely to be out in the 30s) would be enough to get either of Sloane or Talia by themselves, let alone both of them. I'd be furious if either occurred. Taylor is a class player and we could definitely use him, but let's be realistic here. If the Crows even contemplated such a trade there would be a riot at West Lakes.

One thing to keep in mind - although you may rate a player higher than his "natural" worth because of his importance to your structure, this doesn't mean a thing in terms of trade value. The same is true in reverse, when an otherwise good player simply doesn't fit into your structure or can't get past other players (Maric comes to mind for us) but is still worth something to another team.

I ran this past a work colleague this morning (Crows fan) and the response I got from him was pretty much that there is no possible way that any club could ever orchestrate a trade whereby both Talia and Sloane were the subjects of the trade, regardless of how much 'overs' the team recieving them were paying.

Upon reflection, I was probably niave expecting there to be a reaction of anything but dismay at my proposal. As good as HT is, Talia and Sloane are not only guns, but are both very young too, so they do have quite a few years left in them.

Mark Riccuito has said that in order to get a trade deal done with Geelong, a "Rory Sloane quality player" would be needed to get the job done. They are his words, not mine. As good as Rory Sloane is, he would do nothing to help our structural deficiencies down back if we lost HT.

Based on what my work mate said, it would appear that I'm on a hiding to nothing no matter how fair and equitable the trade which I propose is. I have always believed that the fairest trade is when both parties feel slightly ripped off, and I agree that my original proposal had perhaps drifted slightly off from that philosophy.

Rory Sloane is probably not required to make a deal happen, but I included him as part of the equation as he has already been brought up in mainstream media, by one of your club legends no less. If we were to talk fairness, and if you remove the emotional attachment from it, a straight swap for Daniel Talia is probably fair. If Rory became part of the equation, then both a first and second round pick would be something which I would consider adequate compensation.

I know that I'm an indruder on your board, so I'll cop my fair whack for bringing it up. But the facts remain that if Harry Taylor is to be traded, clubs would have to be courting him with a huge financial carrot, as well as adequate compensation. Roo isn't adverse to the idea, as he is the one spruiking it constantly and the main reason why I started this thread in the first place.

Given everything, including my revised trade deal, whether you like it or not if the Crows were to want to secure the services of HT, they are going to have to trade something decent. So, where are you guys at with that and what are your opinions of a fair and equitable trade. Please remove emotional attachment to players first, as I have now done so in order to be more realistic.

 

[Glenno23]

We don't have anything that we would want to give up for HT. Its as simple as that. We don't have the draft picks that it would require and the players it would require, we wouldn't trade.

Roo said a "Rory Sloane type player" Not Rory Sloane btw......

HT would also be going to WA, so maybe you'd be better talking to WC and Freo boards. He would have zero interest in SA due to family reasons

End discussion

 

[Sekaj]

I think that Harry Taylor plus our second round pick for Daniel Talia and Rory Sloane is a fair trade.

 

[WAG]

To get the ball rolling, I'll start the ball rolling by proposing a trade deal which I think is fair and equitable considering we are talking about a dual premiership, All-Australian CHB who can not only take a contested mark, but can go forward and kick goals just as well effectively as any of the big forwards going around. So having said that, I think that Harry Taylor plus our second round pick for Daniel Talia and Rory Sloane is a fair trade.

I've got to give you credit sir. You dressed that troll up beautifully.

 

[Heafy83]

Basically this is how it will work. If the crows finish lower than WC and Freo Geelong will have to accept massive unders. If we throw a heap of Cash at Taylor and he agrees to come here than a simple Smack + 2nd Rounder will get the trade done. I believe Sando is sick of playing the good guy at the trade table after us being reemed the last couple of years (a lot of it our own doing). So if the cats decide not to take our offer we grab him in the pre-season draft for nothing.

 

[Mego Red]

PLEASE let's just turn this into a gif hall of fame thread.

 

[BUTTON 92]

Talia by himself is worth Taylor plus a late second rounder. Forget Sloane.

 

[Mego Red]

Taylor and something for Otten and Mackay, perhaps.

 

[FAITH]

Strangled Cat your offer intrigues me.
I was thinking more Taylor and selwood for sloane and our 2nd round pick

 

[knobby]

Talia = Top 10 Pick considering age and current level of performance
Sloane = 1st round Pick and that's an undersell based on the position he plays

Taylor = yeah sure 1st round DP, standing in the game etc but he's 27
Second Round DP

You see the problem ??

 

[cmndstab]

Strangled Cat - Ricciuto copped a pasting in the media for even floating Sloane's name in that article. It achieved exactly what the newspaper would have wanted, it got people talking about them. Any suggestion that Sloane would be traded for Taylor is absolutely fanciful.

Honestly, if we still had Bock, it would be like us offering Bock and a second rounder for Selwood and Hawkins.

For Harry Taylor, we're unlikely to get a trade done. Our list has very few players in that right trade bracket. They're all either superstars who would not be considered for trade for Harry Taylor, or players who have little trade value. Coupled with the fact that we have no worthwhile draft picks, this is a trade that won't happen unless one of our valuable players wants to leave.

Given that you have no reasonable trade suggestions and there is no appetite here to suggest any of our own, I think this thread has done it's dash. Thread closed.

 

[Vader]

Basically this is how it will work. If the crows finish lower than WC and Freo Geelong will have to accept massive unders. If we throw a heap of Cash at Taylor and he agrees to come here than a simple Smack + 2nd Rounder will get the trade done. I believe Sando is sick of playing the good guy at the trade table after us being reemed the last couple of years (a lot of it our own doing). So if the cats decide not to take our offer we grab him in the pre-season draft for nothing.

Where do you propose we get the 2nd rounder?