Hartung, Stewart and Willsmore(to be rookied, due to contract) all delisted

[The BIG X]

I don’t think Billy was very smart.

Nore his Manager

 

[Brishawk]

Nore his Manager

His father

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

I don’t think Billy was very smart.

He and his dad do not appear to have handled this well.

He does also have that vacant stare about him...

 

[Furn2]

The Billy was offered a contract theory is just bigfooty speculation isn't it ?

He was delisted so its most likely we didn't want him and the fact no ones picked him up suggests that is the case.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

The Billy was offered a contract theory is just bigfooty speculation isn't it ?

He was delisted so its most likely we didn't want him and the fact no ones picked him up suggests that is the case.

That's not my understanding.

I heard he was offered a contract but he decided/his manager/dad decided they felt he was under-appreciated and deserved something more lucrative in either years and or salary.

They then tried to shop him around to see what other clubs would offer him and my understanding is that the other clubs felt the proposed deal was too expensive and showed little interest.

He then came back to the club and the club took the offer off the table and decided to delist him.

I get the feeling that the club was not impressed at all with the way things transpired...

Others am sure have more information than this which could support or completely refute this.

 

[Goldhawk]

so it looks like it backfired ...might be a good lesson to learn in the future for other players in the same predicament.

 

[flinchfree]

Billy staying or leaving not that significant tbh.
We won't replace him like for like, someone new will come in that will offer a different set of tools we can use, with more poise and contributing to better flow footy, and I'm thinking we'll be better off in the short and long term.

 

[WWSD]

Billy staying or leaving not that significant tbh.
We won't replace him like for like, someone new will come in that will offer a different set of tools we can use, with more poise and contributing to better flow footy, and I'm thinking we'll be better off in the short and long term.

Harry Morrison

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Didn’t Richards have a good job (or at least, degree & good opportunity) to go to?

Not sure where else Billy makes $200+k a year for running fast & avoiding contact unless Kiss-Chasey becomes a televised sport.

Xavier has set himself up.

 

[Gralin]

I reckon with the changes to Rookie list for next year we might see a few DFA picked up as Rookie's instead

 

[Hodginator]

Billy:

 

[Sir Galahad]

HUN (Jon Ralph) descibed Hartung as having been Clarko's whipping boy; and says several clubs are interested. He nominates St Kilda and Brisbane as the sorts of clubs that Hartung would be looking to.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/93161b52caeb5d3374589e55b3dad1cc

JON RALPH, Herald Sun
10 Nov 2017
Delisted Hawthorn midfielder Billy Hartung expected to find new home in national or rookie drafts

But while the hard-running former Hawk has three more chances to find a new home he might have to wait for a rookie-list selection to play on next year.

Hartung was surprisingly delisted by the Hawks despite 63 games in his four seasons there, including 56 in the past three years.

This year he had the second-worst tackle rate and second-worst contested possession rate of all general midfielders.

Yet despite poor decision-making he remains a linebreaking wingman with a solid upside given his knack of finding the ball.

Hartung has interest from several clubs which could consider him as a late pick in the November 24 national draft, guaranteeing him a two-year deal.

If the 22-year-old misses out that night, there is a delisted free agency period over that weekend where he could also be selected.

Then finally several clubs are considering him in the following Monday’s rookie draft, on November 27, where he could be signed on a one-year deal but be eligible to play seniors from Round 1.

Hartung averaged 22 possessions a game this year but a player considered an elite kick at junior level has not hurt teams by foot.

He became something of a whipping boy for coach Alastair Clarkson but has enough strengths to find a new home.

Hartung will hope a club like St Kilda or Brisbane looking for outside speed and two-way run might throw him a lifeline.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

HUN (Jon Ralph) descibed Hartung as having been Clarko's whipping boy; and says several clubs are interested. He nominates St Kilda and Brisbane as the sorts of clubs that Hartung would be looking to.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/93161b52caeb5d3374589e55b3dad1cc

JON RALPH, Herald Sun
10 Nov 2017
Delisted Hawthorn midfielder Billy Hartung expected to find new home in national or rookie drafts

But while the hard-running former Hawk has three more chances to find a new home he might have to wait for a rookie-list selection to play on next year.

Hartung was surprisingly delisted by the Hawks despite 63 games in his four seasons there, including 56 in the past three years.

This year he had the second-worst tackle rate and second-worst contested possession rate of all general midfielders.

Yet despite poor decision-making he remains a linebreaking wingman with a solid upside given his knack of finding the ball.

Hartung has interest from several clubs which could consider him as a late pick in the November 24 national draft, guaranteeing him a two-year deal.

If the 22-year-old misses out that night, there is a delisted free agency period over that weekend where he could also be selected.

Then finally several clubs are considering him in the following Monday’s rookie draft, on November 27, where he could be signed on a one-year deal but be eligible to play seniors from Round 1.

Hartung averaged 22 possessions a game this year but a player considered an elite kick at junior level has not hurt teams by foot.

He became something of a whipping boy for coach Alastair Clarkson but has enough strengths to find a new home.

Hartung will hope a club like St Kilda or Brisbane looking for outside speed and two-way run might throw him a lifeline.

In what way was he Clarko's whipping boy?

 

[TNTre]

In what way was he Clarko's whipping boy?

Probably based it on bigfooty.

 

[badgrill]

HUN (Jon Ralph) descibed Hartung as having been Clarko's whipping boy; and says several clubs are interested. He nominates St Kilda and Brisbane as the sorts of clubs that Hartung would be looking to.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/93161b52caeb5d3374589e55b3dad1cc

JON RALPH, Herald Sun
10 Nov 2017
Delisted Hawthorn midfielder Billy Hartung expected to find new home in national or rookie drafts

But while the hard-running former Hawk has three more chances to find a new home he might have to wait for a rookie-list selection to play on next year.

Hartung was surprisingly delisted by the Hawks despite 63 games in his four seasons there, including 56 in the past three years.

This year he had the second-worst tackle rate and second-worst contested possession rate of all general midfielders.

Yet despite poor decision-making he remains a linebreaking wingman with a solid upside given his knack of finding the ball.

Hartung has interest from several clubs which could consider him as a late pick in the November 24 national draft, guaranteeing him a two-year deal.

If the 22-year-old misses out that night, there is a delisted free agency period over that weekend where he could also be selected.

Then finally several clubs are considering him in the following Monday’s rookie draft, on November 27, where he could be signed on a one-year deal but be eligible to play seniors from Round 1.

Hartung averaged 22 possessions a game this year but a player considered an elite kick at junior level has not hurt teams by foot.

He became something of a whipping boy for coach Alastair Clarkson but has enough strengths to find a new home.

Hartung will hope a club like St Kilda or Brisbane looking for outside speed and two-way run might throw him a lifeline.

So, despite 56 games in the past 3 years, he was Clarko's whipping boy? Jeez, that whip must be pretty much torn to shreds if that was the case.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Billy staying or leaving not that significant tbh.
We won't replace him like for like, someone new will come in that will offer a different set of tools we can use, with more poise and contributing to better flow footy, and I'm thinking we'll be better off in the short and long term.

Clarko has always had hard running outside players in the team.

Young, Bateman, Crawford, Timmy Clarke, Savage, Hill, Hartung and Smith. They're clearly important player types - but he moves them on if they can't hit the next level (young, savage and hartung). He embraces them and makes them a key part of the gameplay when they can make the next level (Bateman, Smith and Hill).

 

[arupist]

In what way was he Clarko's whipping boy?

It's Jon Ralph. He just makes s**t up.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

It's Jon Ralph. He just makes s**t up.

Seems that most journos these days either make stuff up or get their inspiration and content from BigFooty posters...

 

[badgrill]

Seems that most journos these days either make stuff up or get their inspiration and content from BigFooty posters...

Who mostly just make s**t up...

 

[LuckyHawk]

A relation of mine playing at Box Hill has no time for Hartung whatsoever, reckons he's a very ordinary bloke. Better for us he's
somewhere else.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

A relation of mine playing at Box Hill has no time for Hartung whatsoever, reckons he's a very ordinary bloke. Better for us he's
somewhere else.

In what way? He seems to have allienated himself from all of his team mates, coach, supporters, BigFooty experts....

 

[hamohawk1]

HUN (Jon Ralph) descibed Hartung as having been Clarko's whipping boy; and says several clubs are interested. He nominates St Kilda and Brisbane as the sorts of clubs that Hartung would be looking to.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/93161b52caeb5d3374589e55b3dad1cc

JON RALPH, Herald Sun
10 Nov 2017
Delisted Hawthorn midfielder Billy Hartung expected to find new home in national or rookie drafts

But while the hard-running former Hawk has three more chances to find a new home he might have to wait for a rookie-list selection to play on next year.

Hartung was surprisingly delisted by the Hawks despite 63 games in his four seasons there, including 56 in the past three years.

This year he had the second-worst tackle rate and second-worst contested possession rate of all general midfielders.

Yet despite poor decision-making he remains a linebreaking wingman with a solid upside given his knack of finding the ball.

Hartung has interest from several clubs which could consider him as a late pick in the November 24 national draft, guaranteeing him a two-year deal.

If the 22-year-old misses out that night, there is a delisted free agency period over that weekend where he could also be selected.

Then finally several clubs are considering him in the following Monday’s rookie draft, on November 27, where he could be signed on a one-year deal but be eligible to play seniors from Round 1.

Hartung averaged 22 possessions a game this year but a player considered an elite kick at junior level has not hurt teams by foot.

He became something of a whipping boy for coach Alastair Clarkson but has enough strengths to find a new home.

Hartung will hope a club like St Kilda or Brisbane looking for outside speed and two-way run might throw him a lifeline.

That little part says everything. No pressure and poor penetration.

 

[LuckyHawk]

In what way? He seems to have allienated himself from all of his team mates, coach, supporters, BigFooty experts....

Had a go at him during a BH match and Billy carried on like a self entitled git and there's other stuff from other players too.

 

[tige19]

Billy will get picked up again no doubt, theres plenty of clubs who will be interested in taking him, he does offer a substantial amount of X-factor in terms of breaking the lines and link up as well as finding the footy. He probably stuffed it up by expecting more out of us, now will likely end up on less cash and less security elsewhere. FWIW I'm not the biggest fan but he is well and truly levels above a large chunk of our list, that's the part that frustrates me about this whole ordeal.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Billy will get picked up again no doubt, theres plenty of clubs who will be interested in taking him, he does offer a substantial amount of X-factor in terms of breaking the lines and link up as well as finding the footy. He probably stuffed it up by expecting more out of us, now will likely end up on less cash and less security elsewhere. FWIW I'm not the biggest fan but he is well and truly levels above a large chunk of our list, that's the part that frustrates me about this whole ordeal.

Maybe at the start of 2017 this was true - but Hardwick has come from nowhere to now have a lock on a best 22 position. Morrison will likely play more games than he'll miss next year. Cousins is showing great potential. Ollie will get senior games from all reports next year. Howe is rapidly showing he belongs at senior level. Glass looked like a leader at senior level in his first game. When you add the players we have coming back from injury into this mix plus the younger players we are going to have to get exposed to senior footy this year (hopefully including O'Rourke and Lovell) then I no longer think that Hartung is ahead of a 'fair chunk' of our list and is a victim of our successful forced rebuild year. You can throw names like Miles and Willsmore around, sure, but they have contracts remaining and Billy didn't. He was expendable and that's what happened.

There's no doubt he can run fast - but his lack of decision making almost nullifies this. He may be able to work on this and develop into a better player - but obviously our list management folk didn't think so.