Society/Culture Has cancel culture gone too far?

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It was a Chaser article that NewsCorp actually fell for. It goes to show you how driven they are to produce fear in the population. They want to start a culture war any way they can, and if that means writing a story based off some random Twitter user's tweet or even a fake article then they'll do it.
 

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The BBC has reinstated Fawlty Towers with a health warning for anyone who might be offended. What a load of crap. Will we now get every comedy TV show and live comedy performance prefaced with a trigger content warning?

Netflix and the BBC have taken Little Britain off air. It's banned. David Walliams and Matt Lucas are still in the industry so have have had to utter the usual grovelling apologies for their sins.

Crazy times.
 
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LOL! Pick a fight much?

It's interesting the number of times he has talked about "cancel culture", or nodded along while a guest talks about it.



He's the average man's idea of a smart man. The stuff he lets go completely uncritically is amazing. It doesn't mean he can't be entertaining or doesn't work hard at what he does. But he's no genius.

Good luck to him, but if anyone thought he was ever seeking unfettered intellectual freedom for himself and others, they were mistaken.

I'd be more interested to hear what people like Sam Harris and Ricky Gervais had to say about it. Sam Harris has said he's happy that he has a business in which he is un-fireable. He can do what he likes and only his paying audience really matters. Would he give that up for $100 mil?
I agree with you on Joe Rogan. His best asset is bringing in experts on esoteric subjects and finding ways to make them accessible via long-form conversation. I remember he did a handful of podcasts with authors who had written extensively about the way Comanche tribes lived and hunted. It was fascinating and there's no way I'd have come across that myself.

He's also had guys on who are experts in the science of sleep and another guy who's obsessed with anti-ageing technology. They were pretty interesting. And even his interviews with Edward Snowden were quite good. Even the one with Alex Jones, with Tim Dillon riding shotgun, was so unhinged that it was mesmerising. I also quite like the ones with UFO anoraks or renowned "Atlantis experts".

But when he wades into partisan politics, he's generally out of his depth. He interviews guys who are obviously committed RWers like Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw and Mike Baker and simply doesn't have the command of the details to push back on their schtick. He treats these guys as honest brokers of information, which is a mistake. He'll sit there complaining about tribalism and how the mainstream media has become too ideological while giving these guys a pass on the fact they are balls-deep in tribalism and ideological grift.

He offers the standard disclaimer that he's just a comedian and a knucklehead and no one should listen to him because he's no expert. But I'd argue that as a broadcaster he still has a responsiblity to his audience to not allow guests to mislead them unchallenged.

That said, Dave Rubin and Candace Owens were so ergregious in their bullshit that he couldn't help himself and ended up making them look quite foolish.
 
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Probably one of the more prevalent forms of "cancel culture" is the power the Israel lobby has in getting some of their biggest critics sacked or censured from a large number of institutes.

This example highlights a couple of other issues with "cancel culture" for me.

I do think a lot of the attempts to get people fired for whatever contentious act speaks to the horrors of contemporary labour laws. Many right-wingers get hypocritically outraged about people being sacked for saying something racist outside of work but support their being sacked if they disparage their employer out of work. For leftists to think the former is okay only shows how normalised insecure work is becoming, and this case with AP shows how quickly and easily that can be turned against any worker.

On a journalistic level, and I think this ditto goes with people who get called out and disparaged for dumb or offensive things they did when they were young adults, we're at risk of building up a generation of vapid careerists, who from the day they leave school will only be dedicated to never taking a risk or outwardly believing in something controversial. We have enough of them in the upper tiers of politics and the media, but we need to accept that plenty of normal people say or do incredibly stupid things, especially when they're not thinking they'll ever be in a position of public spotlight. It seems a good way to ensure the most staid people possible can succeed in these positions.
 

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Probably one of the more prevalent forms of "cancel culture" is the power the Israel lobby has in getting some of their biggest critics sacked or censured from a large number of institutes.

This example highlights a couple of other issues with "cancel culture" for me.

I do think a lot of the attempts to get people fired for whatever contentious act speaks to the horrors of contemporary labour laws. Many right-wingers get hypocritically outraged about people being sacked for saying something racist outside of work but support their being sacked if they disparage their employer out of work. For leftists to think the former is okay only shows how normalised insecure work is becoming, and this case with AP shows how quickly and easily that can be turned against any worker.

On a journalistic level, and I think this ditto goes with people who get called out and disparaged for dumb or offensive things they did when they were young adults, we're at risk of building up a generation of vapid careerists, who from the day they leave school will only be dedicated to never taking a risk or outwardly believing in something controversial. We have enough of them in the upper tiers of politics and the media, but we need to accept that plenty of normal people say or do incredibly stupid things, especially when they're not thinking they'll ever be in a position of public spotlight. It seems a good way to ensure the most staid people possible can succeed in these positions.


wtf Israel is not a leftist organisation. Either you minced your words, or you are an idiot.

Racism and ethnic cleansing are not left/right issues, even though most racists do come from the right. That's your side, yeah?
 

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Let's revisit this in a week.

Our conservative friends have a habit of going very quiet in this thread, when such instances are bought up.
 
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wtf Israel is not a leftist organisation. Either you minced your words, or you are an idiot.

Racism and ethnic cleansing are not left/right issues, even though most racists do come from the right. That's your side, yeah?

The point I was making, and my apologies if I didn’t articulate it well, is that this case shows that having people sacked for their “bad opinions” will just as much be used against left wingers who oppose the Israeli state, as one example, as it is against those who expressed conservative or even bigoted ones. Left wingers should support the bolstering of industrial law to make it more difficult for people to get fired, and as a point of principle shouldn’t support people being fired for their personal lives, particularly historical, or views that aren’t being aired in the workplace.

You think I’m a right winger? I’m a socialist.
 

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Where are all the usual suspects to lambast Dutton; about getting offended over morning teas in his department and subsequently cancelling them?
Do you think it could have been more about changing the culture of public servants to work efficiently and be more productive. Rather then having a great old time eating pastireis at tax payer expenses.


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Do you think it could have been more about changing the culture of public servants to work efficiently and be more productive. Rather then having a great old time eating pastireis at tax payer expenses.


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Were they $80 mil worth of pastries bought off of LNP mates?
 
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