Has F1 consolidated the number 2 ruck position?

[SpecialBruce]

Just want to hear people's thoughts on F1.

After a superb game on Saturday and improving every week, do you think he's consolidating the number 2 ruck position?

I think he is. In fact, Keating will struggle to get back unless F1 or Charmo drop form or get injured.

I've been impressed with F1 lately. I had doubts that he will be able to step up this year and he has and has done it with excellent style. One of these next few games he's going to get about 20 possessions and over 20 hitouts.

F1 with the Guvna are probably the only 2 players who can hold their heads up high after Saturday's performance against the Cats.

So do you think that F1 has consolidated the number 2 ruck position?

 

[xplo]

I've got a set of 3 DVDs that Crackers looks pretty good in.

Dylan is working forward nicely though. That won't hurt his chances.

With Spiderman developing in the Magoos it will be interesting next year. Charmo, Crackers, Beauey, F1, Spiderman. Don't know if you can sustain all of them.

 

[MSB ROYS]

Give me an (uninjured) Crackers anyday!

 

[kimp]

SB cannot agree with you on this one. I think he's doing a good job to get poached at the end of the season perhaps.

 

[SpecialBruce]

Don't get me wrong, Crackers is a good player but F1 is getting better week by week and if he doesn't have an off game, he shouldn't be dropped.

F1 has stepped up a lot and if he ends up like Charman in 2002, I will be one ****ed off man.

F1 deserves finals footy. Crackers came in last year when McDonald was injured, the year before he came in after replacing Charman who did the majority of the ruck work during the year who deserved that 2002 medal.

What I am getting at is when Crackers is ready to come back he shouldn't come in just because of his record at the end of the year and replace someone who has helped us make the finals who deserves that spot. He should be made to earn his spot and the only time I want to see Crackers in this team is when there is an injury to one of them or one of them is dramatically out of form.

F1 has made the most of his oppurtunity this year and hasn't looked back and stepped up when we needed him too. He does not deserve to miss finals footy this year like Charman in 2002.

 

[OldLion]

Should get forward more. And work on his kicking.

 

[weevil]

The only way he is going to deserve finals football is if he is one of our two best ruckmen come finals time.

No doubt about it, he has grabbed his opportunity, and improved greatly in a short space of time but there is still light-years between he and Crackers. When purring Crackers is one of the best in the business, and for the good of the team that sort of asset can’t be ignored.

F1’s rise does put a new perspective on horse trading at the end of the year though. With da kid has proving himself a credible option, you’d think it would place a huge amount of pressure on the gruesome (as in injury prone) twosome...and more particularly you’d think Beau.

 

[xplo]

Originally posted by weevil
The only way he is going to deserve finals football is if he is one of our two best ruckmen come finals time.

No doubt about it, he has grabbed his opportunity, and improved greatly in a short space of time but there is still light-years between he and Crackers. When purring Crackers is one of the best in the business, and for the good of the team that sort of asset can’t be ignored.

F1’s rise does put a new perspective on horse trading at the end of the year though. With da kid has proving himself a credible option, you’d think it would place a huge amount of pressure on the gruesome (as in injury prone) twosome...and more particularly you’d think Beau.

Yep, Agreed.

Issue is, F1 might end up making the most attractive trading option if he does play finals. Beauy's market value, with hardly playing a game in two years, is pretty low for a dual premiership ruckman. Might be better value to keep on a reduced deal.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by kimp
I think he's doing a good job to get poached at the end of the season perhaps.

What could possibly make you come to this conclusion? Has he told you himself, that he'd like to leave the club?

 

[konstas_87]

we'll its been handy having him when the others r down, he's still number 4 in a fully fit list.

 

[Denno]

Keating, when (fully) fit, is still the number 1 option. When he is on song, no one comes close. Charman will be there as well (injuries/suspensions permitting), but McLaren is the unlucky one to be dropped this year.

I found our ruckwork to be very "frustrating" (to put it nicely) on the weekend. To absolutely kill their ruckmen in the hitouts, yet have them gain the ascendency out of the middle, was inexcusable IMO. When we dominate the hitouts, combined with our (generally) better credentialled midfield, we should have the upper hand EVERY week.

With Keating back, we AUTOMATICALLY gain momentum out of the centre, by him bashing it forward 20 metres at every opportunity.

 

[Dreams of Four]

Originally posted by xplo
Yep, Agreed.

Issue is, F1 might end up making the most attractive trading option if he does play finals. Beauy's market value, with hardly playing a game in two years, is pretty low for a dual premiership ruckman. Might be better value to keep on a reduced deal.

That is spot on xplo.

I think McLaren may be offered up at the end of the year. It has been great having him on board this year, but how many big men can we keep?

Keating is a dead set gun when fit, and we shouldkeep him. End of story on that one.

Charman is not only a great player in the mking, the only young big man in the comp that has the game to develope into a great ruckman/forward a la Luke Darcy. We should not trade a future All Australian.

McDonald. Well when it comes to trading, you wouldn't get a Big Mc for him at htis time. Might as well keep him.

Spandermann & Merrett. Both are young and need time. Keep these guys.

That only leaves McLaren. His form this year is only going to make interest in him higher. Sometimes you need to bite the bullet and trade a bloke who will get you a decent trade. We did it with Matthew Clarke when he was still going well at the end of 1998 and got the number 6 pick in the draft, if we could pick up something good, then we should do it.

Sorry SpecialBruce, but I would rather see one big man less than loosing a player like Hadley, Corrie or McDonald.

 

[SpecialBruce]

If we trade a ruckman, we trade one who has too many injuries who will do us no favour in the future.

McDonald or Keating both fit into that calibre. Take your choice.

 

[Denno]

Originally posted by SpecialBruce
If we trade a ruckman, we trade one who has too many injuries who will do us no favour in the future.

McDonald or Keating both fit into that calibre. Take your choice.

And they'll do no-one else a favour either.

No-one would take them at the moment.

Keating is getting too old to trade, and McDonald needs to get on the park first, before we even know where he's at.

Charman wouldn't be traded in a million years at the moment.

It's a process of elimination.................

 

[SpecialBruce]

Originally posted by Denno
And they'll do no-one else a favour either.

No-one would take them at the moment.

Keating is getting too old to trade, and McDonald needs to get on the park first, before we even know where he's at.

Charman wouldn't be traded in a million years at the moment.

It's a process of elimination.................

If Crackers has a huge finals series, then thats our chance to get rid of him.

 

[xplo]

Originally posted by Dreams of Four
That is spot on xplo.

I think McLaren may be offered up at the end of the year. It has been great having him on board this year, but how many big men can we keep?

Keating is a dead set gun when fit, and we shouldkeep him. End of story on that one.

Charman is not only a great player in the mking, the only young big man in the comp that has the game to develope into a great ruckman/forward a la Luke Darcy. We should not trade a future All Australian.

McDonald. Well when it comes to trading, you wouldn't get a Big Mc for him at htis time. Might as well keep him.

Spandermann & Merrett. Both are young and need time. Keep these guys.

That only leaves McLaren. His form this year is only going to make interest in him higher. Sometimes you need to bite the bullet and trade a bloke who will get you a decent trade. We did it with Matthew Clarke when he was still going well at the end of 1998 and got the number 6 pick in the draft, if we could pick up something good, then we should do it.

Sorry SpecialBruce, but I would rather see one big man less than loosing a player like Hadley, Corrie or McDonald.

Exactly.

Beauy is having a pretty rough trot ATM but it's easy to forget he had hardly missed a beat up to the 2002 finals series. Since then he's had two very different unrelated injuries (admittedly serious ones).

Yes, there's a chance he might be permanently 'unsound', but there's also a good chance he can come back next year and play as one of best 6 or 7 going around in the ruck. I still don't think he has peaked.

As good as F1 is, he's giving away about 2 inches to Beau without looking a lot more 'potentially key position' to me.

 

[Denno]

Originally posted by SpecialBruce
If Crackers has a huge finals series, then thats our chance to get rid of him.

Not gunna happen.

He didn't go a few years ago (to Hawthorn).

Wont happen now.

 

[SpecialBruce]

F1 is going to have an awesome end to the season and will keep Crackers out of the team. Mark my words.

 

[Denno]

Originally posted by SpecialBruce
F1 is going to have an awesome end to the season and will keep Crackers out of the team. Mark my words.

Bookmarked.

 

[SpecialBruce]

Originally posted by Denno
Bookmarked.

Trust me

 

[Denno]

Originally posted by SpecialBruce
Trust me

'cos you've been a right royal nostradamus previously.............

 

[xplo]

Originally posted by Denno
'cos you've been a right royal nostradamus previously.............

hahahaha... love it .