Has Lance Franklin surpassed Wayne Carey as the greatest key forward of the modern era?
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People forget just how good players from previous eras were. It's a case of out of sight out of mind
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100% agreed, Young blokes making these claims only watched Carey on highlights. The impact he had on games had to be seen to be believed.
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Carey was that huge that you could argue that he was a big part in Friday night footy taking off. Who would tune in to just watch North?
Carey was on a million a year over 20 years ago. Unheard of.
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They were talking about this on the radio the other day.
He was on 30% of the salary cap, nobody else has come close. That's around $4,062,000 a season with the current CBA.
A story Archer tells is how he got into his car one day and his glove box was open, there was a cheque in there for $200,000, he said "Oops I keep forgetting to cash that", remember the median house price in Melbourne in 96 was $118,000..........
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I remember a Carlton official at the time (Elliot?) replying to comments about Carey being a million dollar player, by stating that they would be happy to pay him double.
860 at the moment. I think he will end his career in 4th place of the all time goal kicking record. To get there he needs another 198 goals which is very doable. He looks like he is going to reach the 1000 goal mark either late 2019 or early 2020.
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It's like Carey has become underrated now. People seem to forget that in the 90s it was Carey then daylight, then Ablett etc.
Out of the the players above Buddy, who would you consider him comparable to?
To be honest none of them really as Buddy plays so differently to McKenna, Matthews, Lloyd, Titus, Ablett Snr, Wade, Dunstall, Coventry and Lockett.
Though by the end of 2018 I think he will be ahead of McKenna and Matthews and by the end of 2019 he will be ahead of Lloyd and Titus.
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All forwards had more impact on games during the 90's
Can you imagine how Buddy would've fared under those same conditions, one out against Andrew Dunkley, Gary Pert, Tim McGrath, Richard Champion, Jamie Shanahan or Mick Martyn with the entire forward fifty to himself and just one extra defender dropping back into his space instead of 3 or 4 defenders zoning back?
Franklin has often been unstoppable when given room to move. On the rare occasions when dumb opposition teams have given Buddy the leeway of an open 1 v 1 contest for half a game, he has generally DESTROYED them and gone on to kick 8/9/10 goals
Carey played in an era when forwards could stay at home and take 8 contested marks inside fifty. Nobody gets near that these days. Not Buddy; not Kennedy; not Joe Daniher; not Cameron, Patton, Hogan nor Hawkins. Nor would Carey if he'd played against modern defences. A champ like Nick Riewoldt had to run mini-marathons and repeat-lead from full forward up to the wing in order to take a dozen marks. Most opposition KPD's let him have those uncontested marks 90m from goal.
Carey's effectiveness as a tall target inside 50 would be much reduced under today's conditions. He'd be forced to scrounge more goals and play more defensively (locking the ball inside 50m with chasing, tackling & pressure) in order to earn his keep.
Buddy excels in these areas as a modern day KPF. That's why he has been the best for the past 10 years (with only J Kennedy getting close to him over the past 4 years)
Can you imagine how Buddy would've fared under those same conditions, one out against Andrew Dunkley, Gary Pert, Tim McGrath, Richard Champion, Jamie Shanahan or Mick Martyn with the entire forward fifty to himself and just one extra defender dropping back into his space instead of 3 or 4 defenders zoning back?
Franklin has often been unstoppable when given room to move. On the rare occasions when dumb opposition teams have given Buddy the leeway of an open 1 v 1 contest for half a game, he has generally DESTROYED them and gone on to kick 8/9/10 goals
Carey played in an era when forwards could stay at home and take 8 contested marks inside fifty. Nobody gets near that these days. Not Buddy; not Kennedy; not Joe Daniher; not Cameron, Patton, Hogan nor Hawkins. Nor would Carey if he'd played against modern defences. A champ like Nick Riewoldt had to run mini-marathons and repeat-lead from full forward up to the wing in order to take a dozen marks. Most opposition KPD's let him have those uncontested marks 90m from goal.
Carey's effectiveness as a tall target inside 50 would be much reduced under today's conditions. He'd be forced to scrounge more goals and play more defensively (locking the ball inside 50m with chasing, tackling & pressure) in order to earn his keep.
Buddy excels in these areas as a modern day KPF. That's why he has been the best for the past 10 years (with only J Kennedy getting close to him over the past 4 years)
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Some of what you say is accurate but other points not so much IMO.
First Carey wasn't a stay inside 50 forward. He was a true CHF playing further up the ground.
Second, whilst team defence is a thing these days as opposed to yesteryear, oppositions entire defence strategy was to try and contain Carey. He was often manned by 2 players.
Third, today's best defender is undoubtedly Rance. As good as he is he can still give up goals because of his attacking mindset. Most of today's best defenders do the same. Intercepting, attacking rebounds etc are all part of the modern game. Carey didn't have the luxury of defenders trying to attack.
I think it's the opposite, people have a nostalgia about the past and people overhype them and add to the stories being passed down generations. With that said, Carey is better than Buddy. Buddy might be on the fringe of being a top 10 player of the last 25 years, but Carey is either the best, or second best to Gary Ablett Sr.
How would you know when you were too young to have seen those players ?
It's a bit like me saying John Coleman was overrated. How the $#@! would I know enough about Coleman to be able to form that view ?
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Such ignorance.
Carey, the CHF, was often giving goals to Longmire the FF. It was a far more positional game.
To suggest the CHF should regularly kick more goals than your gun FF shows you have no concept of how football was played.
No concept at all.
True.
If a poll was conducted asking people if Julian Knight should ever be released at least 5% would say yes.
